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NewNick 12-18-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19914039)
I've provided information for any curious minds who are looking for both sides of the story, allowing informed consent. I can't invest much more time in this, but I'll leave you with this excellent video from Dr Tenpenny, she's spent many years studying vaccine research papers, in this video she goes through each one of the childhood vaccines and assesses the risk against the benefit. While it is a long video it's well worth watching so as if you do decide to vaccinate your child you can know it was an informed decision. :2 cents:



You fucking idiot.

Did you really say that ?

"watch this and if you do decide to vaccinate your child you can know it was an informed decision".

So a youtube clip suggested by a raging conspiracy loon is going to give me all the facts ?


In Germany it is illegal to deny the holocaust. Not just frowned upon, but actually a felony offense. Now you might say that is a bit severe, free speech and all that, but the more I see the nasty harmful shit that you post, the more I am starting to see that completely free speech can actually be dangerous. Some regulation has its benefits. You are not deserving of the privilege of free speech.

The stuff you posted about the school massacre kids still being alive was particularly unpleasant, you are clearly lacking in any kind of empathy to the parents. You are no better than those wackos that protest at funerals.

wehateporn 12-18-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19914073)
You fucking idiot.

Did you really say that ?

"watch this and if you do decide to vaccinate your child you can know it was an informed decision".

So a youtube clip suggested by a raging conspiracy loon is going to give me all the facts ?

Come back with a real nick and a less obvious troll attempt :1orglaugh :thumbsup

TheSquealer 12-18-2013 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19913893)
I read it and while I made sure my daughter got all her shots, I have to say that no one knows for sure what causes autism. So far scientist only have theories.

I would modify this by saying that neuroscientists have no real agreement on what autism is in terms of neurophysiology, much less, the cause(a). As i understand from quite a bit if reading that addresses autism, the possible areas of the brain that are affected as well as the conscious experience of the autistic individual, it is a very complicated disease that of course exists in a very wide spectrum of degrees with those areas of the brain being affected in combinations of different degrees.

For a fucking moron like wehateporn to say anything about a brain disorder which neuroscientists worldwide, have yet to fully grasp and understand is idiotic at best.

Paul&John 12-18-2013 10:45 AM


https://youtube.com/watch?v=RLcOz4EKrxg

;)

baddog 12-18-2013 10:50 AM

I thank Jesus every morning that WHP cannot find a chick to have kids with him.

JFK 12-18-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19913938)
I am asking because if you did, would you not want them vaccinated? Obviously your answer will be no.

Anyhow, I just had a daughter and she is getting vaccinated.

Congrats !!:thumbsup

nexcom28 12-18-2013 12:08 PM

Its not particularly nice watching your new baby get vaccinated however I, as I am sure the vast majority of parents believe it's necessary. The risk of problems caused by vaccination are minute compared to the dangers of not getting the vaccination in the first place.

At 2 months your baby is given a 5 in one dose which protects against diptheria, whooping cough and polio amongst others.

At 3 months the child is given a topup which protects the above plus meningitas C

At one year old they are given the MMR jab which protects against measles, mumps and rubella.

I, as have all my friends and everyone I know taken our children to the doctors for these injections and I am not aware of a single case of it causing anything more than a slight temperature.

I don't know a great deal about the viruses that these injections protect us all from but I am pretty sure, cos I am not stupid that the consequences of picking up one of these viruses would be a whole lot worse than any risk by not having them.

96ukssob 12-18-2013 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19914101)
I thank Jesus every morning that WHP cannot find a chick to have kids with him.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Matyko 12-18-2013 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 19913960)
We have two boys, ages 8 & 9. They have had their general shots that get them into Kindergarten but that's it and I don't fully agree with all of those either.

Hepatitis C, really? Also, giving a 12 year old girl an HPV shot is reeeeeeediculous. The long term effects are unknown and what's currently being shown as results is not positive for the drug makers. Pharmacies and insurance companies make the money on vaccines, they aren't there to protect your children.

Flu shots? Not needed ... let your kid get the flu, it will build their immune system.

Exactly the Same Here, w girls aged 3 and 6. I totally agree with every single word you wrote Kristin :2 cents: :thumbsup

Your last sentence summarizes the topic pretty fukkin well, congrats!

jigg 12-18-2013 12:41 PM

I haven't had shots since I was an infant. Had the flu 2 maximum 3 times in the last 14 years

dyna mo 12-18-2013 12:51 PM

i have a severely supressed immune system, flu shots work for me ever since i started them 3-4 seasons ago

i wouldn't think of getting on an airplane without one.

hottoddy 12-18-2013 01:36 PM

Many years ago, no child was "autistic" - but there were tons of retards.

Today, no child is a "retard" - but there are tons with "autism spectrum disorder," various types of "ADHD" etc. Isn't is just a label? Are the ratios between the two eras any different?

In society's panic to label a cause, many are foregoing vaccinations. Now we have fucking medieval diseases breaking out here and there. For a while, these folks were merely relying on other people's vaccination to protect their children from outbreaks. But once the unvaccinated hit a certain number, larger outbreaks are sure to follow.

PR_Glen 12-18-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19913911)
That's the line they give when the truth will cause problems for their industry. There's plenty of evidence that it's vaccines which cause healthy children to regress into Autism, even the CDC meetings (released under Freedom of Information) show that they know it's vaccines, but they don't want us to know. :2 cents:

there is zero evidence of this, only speculation, just like the other lies you spread daily, only more people fall for this bullshit and end up putting their children in danger because of it. Shame on you...


Autism rates are higher, exponentially so!! because they didn't diagnose it so fucking broadly and specifically before! Dan Ackroyd just found out he has aspergers or a mild form of it. He didn't get it from vaccines, they just didn't have the definitions to diagnose it at the time.

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Originally Posted by hottoddy (Post 19914345)
Many years ago, no child was "autistic" - but there were tons of retards.

Today, no child is a "retard" - but there are tons with "autism spectrum disorder," various types of "ADHD" etc. Isn't is just a label? Are the ratios between the two eras any different?

In society's panic to label a cause, many are foregoing vaccinations. Now we have fucking medieval diseases breaking out here and there. For a while, these folks were merely relying on other people's vaccination to protect their children from outbreaks. But once the unvaccinated hit a certain number, larger outbreaks are sure to follow.

exactly, well put.

_Richard_ 12-18-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hottoddy (Post 19914345)
Many years ago, no child was "autistic" - but there were tons of retards.

Today, no child is a "retard" - but there are tons with "autism spectrum disorder," various types of "ADHD" etc. Isn't is just a label? Are the ratios between the two eras any different?

In society's panic to label a cause, many are foregoing vaccinations. Now we have fucking medieval diseases breaking out here and there. For a while, these folks were merely relying on other people's vaccination to protect their children from outbreaks. But once the unvaccinated hit a certain number, larger outbreaks are sure to follow.

thankfully everyone vaccinates.

kristin 12-18-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19914270)
i have a severely supressed immune system, flu shots work for me ever since i started them 3-4 seasons ago

i wouldn't think of getting on an airplane without one.

Before you get on a plane smoke an extra bowl and have a shot of wheatgrass.

xholly 12-18-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19914083)
Come back with a real nick and a less obvious troll attempt :1orglaugh :thumbsup

This is not one of your reddit echo chambers, people who point out your misguided thinking and assholish actions are not trolls. :2 cents:

dyna mo 12-18-2013 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 19914477)
Before you get on a plane smoke an extra bowl and have a shot of wheatgrass.

hah, nice. :)

the extra bowl is for getting that wheatgrass down the hatch right?

:1orglaugh

wehateporn 12-18-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19914349)
there is zero evidence of this, only speculation

The courts are paying out, the CDC scientists admit it in their meetings which have been released under Freedom of Information, the former CDC Chief admitted it in a televised interview. Just because they've decided to cover this one up in an attempt to save some high-profile reputations doesn't mean that the reality has changed. :2 cents:


wehateporn 12-18-2013 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hottoddy (Post 19914345)
Many years ago, no child was "autistic" - but there were tons of retards.

Not true, otherwise we'd see many Austistics in their 40's and 50's now, but we don't.

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Originally Posted by hottoddy (Post 19914345)
Today, no child is a "retard" - but there are tons with "autism spectrum disorder," various types of "ADHD" etc.

Autism does cover over issues too, there are many types and many causes, but the type which is caused by vaccines is known as Regressive Autism, where a perfectly healthy child regresses into Autism, normally after an MMR shot (though sometimes DPT or Hep B)

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Originally Posted by hottoddy (Post 19914345)
In society's panic to label a cause, many are foregoing vaccinations. Now we have fucking medieval diseases breaking out here and there.

Medieval diseases? Give some examples, The Black Death?

adultchatpay 12-18-2013 03:46 PM

Look, we got plenty of experts here.

wehateporn 12-18-2013 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nexcom28 (Post 19914206)
The risk of problems caused by vaccination are minute compared to the dangers of not getting the vaccination in the first place.

That study has never been done, the statement is a belief based on assumption. :2 cents:


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Originally Posted by nexcom28 (Post 19914206)
At 2 months your baby is given a 5 in one dose which protects against diptheria, whooping cough and polio amongst others.

An incredibly dangerous vaccine, causes Asthma in a significant %, in the US 9 people die of Asthma every day (on average). Pharma make money from Asthma.

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Originally Posted by nexcom28 (Post 19914206)
At 3 months the child is given a topup which protects the above plus meningitas C

Men C is caused by the overuse of Antibiotics, we are naturally immune to Men C but after antibiotics we are susceptible.

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Originally Posted by nexcom28 (Post 19914206)
At one year old they are given the MMR jab which protects against measles, mumps and rubella.

An incredibly dangerous vaccine, if there were a rollercoaster ride with a 1 in 55 risk of Autism would any parent let their kid go on it? The Mumps part of the vaccine was faked through the studies as it wasn't good enough. The Rubella and Measles immunity does not last longer than 15 years, whereas if you caught the illnesses naturally you would be immune for life.

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Originally Posted by nexcom28 (Post 19914206)
I, as have all my friends and everyone I know taken our children to the doctors for these injections and I am not aware of a single case of it causing anything more than a slight temperature.

That's a small sample size, but if any have Peanut Allergies, Asthma, Eczema, Muscle Wasting Diseases, Epilepsy, Non Hodgkin Lymphoma, MS, Diabetes Type 1, Leukemia, Lupus, ADHD, Regressive Autism, Gluten intolerance, Hayfever, decreased IQ (the full list is a lot longer); then it's from the vaccines.


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Originally Posted by nexcom28 (Post 19914206)
I don't know a great deal about the viruses that these injections protect us all from but I am pretty sure, cos I am not stupid that the consequences of picking up one of these viruses would be a whole lot worse than any risk by not having them.

In healthy well-nourished individuals the immune system would cope just fine! Remember we descend from the survivors, if those diseases were so bad we'd have been wiped out. Big Pharma have rewritten history, but fortunately we can still use our common sense.

wehateporn 12-18-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John (Post 19914096)

Two magicians...hmmm...I wonder why they'd need magicians to convince us that vaccines are good?...Did you spot how they performed the illusion? Call me a spoilsport, but they missed out vaccine damage such as Crib Death, Diabetes Type 1, MS, Epilepsy, Leukemia, Non Hodgkin Lymphoma, Muscle Wasting Diseases, Vaccine-Induced Polio, Lupus etc etc etc i.e. the highly profitable diseases which vaccines induce/spread (apart from Crib Death where they lose money)

Jel 12-18-2013 04:09 PM

lofling is ongoing

kane 12-18-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19914525)

Medieval diseases? Give some examples, The Black Death?

Well, now that you mention it.

Black Death AKA Bubonic Plague kills at least 20 in Madagascar

kane 12-18-2013 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hottoddy (Post 19914345)
Many years ago, no child was "autistic" - but there were tons of retards.

Today, no child is a "retard" - but there are tons with "autism spectrum disorder," various types of "ADHD" etc. Isn't is just a label? Are the ratios between the two eras any different?

In society's panic to label a cause, many are foregoing vaccinations. Now we have fucking medieval diseases breaking out here and there. For a while, these folks were merely relying on other people's vaccination to protect their children from outbreaks. But once the unvaccinated hit a certain number, larger outbreaks are sure to follow.

This article says that scientists are claiming that autism was just as prevalent 30-40 years ago as it is today, it was just diagnosed as something different.

Like you say, 40 years ago they would have made a blanket diagnosis of retarded, but now we know a lot more and they can be more specific with a diagnosis.

_Richard_ 12-18-2013 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19914595)

there is a vaccine for the plague?

here i thought simple AB would do the trick

Sly 12-18-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19914605)
This article says that scientists are claiming that autism was just as prevalent 30-40 years ago as it is today, it was just diagnosed as something different.

Like you say, 40 years ago they would have made a blanket diagnosis of retarded, but now we know a lot more and they can be more specific with a diagnosis.

These guys also forget the cultural differences and even life expectancy differences between today and 50 years ago.

50 years ago, nobody wanted the world to know that their child had "problems." It was kept secret. And on top of that, a lot of children that are alive today would have never lived 50 years ago, due to modern medicine. I am 30 and I know that if the medicine I needed when I was a baby wasn't around at that time, I would never be here.

Comparing stats today and 50 years ago is very rough at best.

bhutocracy 12-18-2013 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19914101)
I thank Jesus every morning that WHP cannot find a chick to have kids with him.

And praise allah that if he did it's more likely to get measles, mumps etc and become infertile and ensure his DNA stops dirtying our gene pool.

kane 12-18-2013 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19914612)
These guys also forget the cultural differences and even life expectancy differences between today and 50 years ago.

50 years ago, nobody wanted the world to know that their child had "problems." It was kept secret. And on top of that, a lot of children that are alive today would have never lived 50 years ago, due to modern medicine. I am 30 and I know that if the medicine I needed when I was a baby wasn't around at that time, I would never be here.

Comparing stats today and 50 years ago is very rough at best.

I agree completely. When I was a kid (I'm 42 now) if a family had a mentally handicapped kid it was almost like a big secret. They kept it to themselves. There was one kid I went to high school with who was bad enough off he was very hard to understand, but he went to school (special needs classes) and made friends and tried to live a normal life. Many people in the town I grew up in thought it was terrible that his family let him out like that. It was crazy.

Now with social media everyone knows everything about everyone and it is much more common knowledge.

wehateporn 12-18-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19914595)

The Black Death is a good example, it shows that diseases can go away without vaccines. Just as Small Pox was eradicated through quarantine, yet we are told it was eradicated through mass vaccination.

wehateporn 12-18-2013 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19914605)
This article says that scientists are claiming that autism was just as prevalent 30-40 years ago as it is today, it was just diagnosed as something different.

It's the Big Pharma ones who say that as they are paid to find any other excuse rather than vaccines. :2 cents:

From your article:-

"Dr. Gary Goldstein, scientific adviser to the national advocacy group Autism Speaks, said the explanation for the rising autism prevalence is probably complex. Labeling and diagnosing probably play a role, as do genetics, but he believes the increase surpasses those two explanations.

"I'm seeing more children with autism than I ever would have expected to see," said Goldstein, who is chief executive of the Kennedy Krieger Institute, a treatment center for pediatric developmental disabilities in Baltimore."

wehateporn 12-18-2013 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19914612)
These guys also forget the cultural differences and even life expectancy differences between today and 50 years ago.

50 years ago, nobody wanted the world to know that their child had "problems." It was kept secret. And on top of that, a lot of children that are alive today would have never lived 50 years ago, due to modern medicine. I am 30 and I know that if the medicine I needed when I was a baby wasn't around at that time, I would never be here.

If we look at the unvaccinated Amish we see that they don't suffer from Autism :2 cents:

wehateporn 12-18-2013 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19914620)
And praise allah that if he did it's more likely to get measles, mumps etc and become infertile and ensure his DNA stops dirtying our gene pool.

Unvaccinated kids are the smartest and healthiest, that's why Big Pharma don't like them :2 cents:

bhutocracy 12-18-2013 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hottoddy (Post 19914345)
Many years ago, no child was "autistic" - but there were tons of retards.

Today, no child is a "retard" - but there are tons with "autism spectrum disorder," various types of "ADHD" etc. Isn't is just a label? Are the ratios between the two eras any different?

In society's panic to label a cause, many are foregoing vaccinations. Now we have fucking medieval diseases breaking out here and there. For a while, these folks were merely relying on other people's vaccination to protect their children from outbreaks. But once the unvaccinated hit a certain number, larger outbreaks are sure to follow.


There is actually massive correlation between autism and the age of the parents. A 35 year old male is something like 15 times more likely to have an autistic child than a 25 year old male. And what's happening atm? Everyone's waiting longer and longer to have kids... more autism, better diagnosis. And a few whackjobs on the internet who couldn't recognise a fact is it sat on their face and suffocated them. They all cried "Mercury - Mercury!" then they took mercury out of the scheduled childhood vaccinations and autism kept going up proving any link was total bullshit.. then they moved onto something else.. It's just whackamole with crazy, you can't win, you knock one down and they shift to something else and then forget you knocked the other one down and start using it again.

It's just a shame you can't round up all the people that think "measles is safe" even though it's thousands of times less safe than a vaccine and put them on an island where their kids can die, become infertile, deaf etc and not harm the rest of us.

wehateporn 12-18-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19914638)
There is actually massive correlation between autism and the age of the parents. A 35 year old male is something like 15 times more likely to have an autistic child than a 25 year old male. And what's happening atm? Everyone's waiting longer and longer to have kids....

Your stats are well out by the way...

"Men aged 35 to 39 years and 40 to 49 years raise their risk of having a child with autism by 40 and 50 percent, respectively, compared with men aged 20 to 24 years, the researchers found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/he...enia.html?_r=0

Also correlation is not causation, it could be that the kids of older parents are more susceptible to vaccine damage, or that older parents give more Tylenol around the time of vaccination. :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19914638)
They all cried "Mercury - Mercury!" then they took mercury out of the scheduled childhood vaccinations and autism kept going up proving any link was total bullshit..


They replaced it with Aluminium which is even worse. However, it's not the job of the parents to work out if it's the Mercury in vaccines causing Autism, it's the job of the CDC to find out what's causing Autism, unfortunately they are derelict of their duties.

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19914638)
then they moved onto something else.. It's just whackamole with crazy, you can't win, you knock one down and they shift to something else and then forget you knocked the other one down and start using it again.

The studies need to be done, the fact that Big Pharma are refusing to do them shows that they've got something to hide. Of course, we already know from their meetings and television interviews that know a lot more than they admit. Their priority is to cover it up.

NewNick 12-18-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19914623)
The Black Death is a good example, it shows that diseases can go away without vaccines. Just as Small Pox was eradicated through quarantine, yet we are told it was eradicated through mass vaccination.

You see the problem with any statement that you utter is that you have no credibility whatsoever. You and johnnyclips. What a pair of cunts.

You might actually be correct about something one day, but after all the bile you spout, and given that there is not a single loon theory that you dont believe, you are nothing more than the village idiot.

So your latest crazed rantings have the medical industry (which is certainly not perfect) plotting to enslave us all. Despite the fact that life expectancy in the medicated west has nearly doubled in the last 150 years, and despite the fact that infant mortality rates have reduced by 90%, you still believe every crank theory.

Big Oil/Big pharma/Big Food. It is all so lame. What is amusing is the believe one, believe them all syndrome, and the fact that it is you that thinks he is the enlightened free thinker. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

wehateporn 12-18-2013 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19914665)
So your latest crazed rantings have the medical industry (which is certainly not perfect) plotting to enslave us all. Despite the fact that life expectancy in the medicated west has nearly doubled in the last 150 years, and despite the fact that infant mortality rates have reduced by 90%, you still believe every crank theory.

Life expectancy has improved due to improved nutrition and sanitation, vaccines damage infant mortality, the more vaccines the worse the infant mortality.

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