i have a severely supressed immune system, flu shots work for me ever since i started them 3-4 seasons ago

i wouldn't think of getting on an airplane without one.

Many years ago, no child was "autistic" - but there were tons of retards.

Today, no child is a "retard" - but there are tons with "autism spectrum disorder," various types of "ADHD" etc. Isn't is just a label? Are the ratios between the two eras any different?

In society's panic to label a cause, many are foregoing vaccinations. Now we have fucking medieval diseases breaking out here and there. For a while, these folks were merely relying on other people's vaccination to protect their children from outbreaks. But once the unvaccinated hit a certain number, larger outbreaks are sure to follow.

there is zero evidence of this, only speculation, just like the other lies you spread daily, only more people fall for this bullshit and end up putting their children in danger because of it. Shame on you...


Autism rates are higher, exponentially so!! because they didn't diagnose it so fucking broadly and specifically before! Dan Ackroyd just found out he has aspergers or a mild form of it. He didn't get it from vaccines, they just didn't have the definitions to diagnose it at the time.

exactly, well put.

thankfully everyone vaccinates.

Before you get on a plane smoke an extra bowl and have a shot of wheatgrass.

This is not one of your reddit echo chambers, people who point out your misguided thinking and assholish actions are not trolls. :2 cents:

hah, nice. :)

the extra bowl is for getting that wheatgrass down the hatch right?

:1orglaugh

The courts are paying out, the CDC scientists admit it in their meetings which have been released under Freedom of Information, the former CDC Chief admitted it in a televised interview. Just because they've decided to cover this one up in an attempt to save some high-profile reputations doesn't mean that the reality has changed. :2 cents:

Not true, otherwise we'd see many Austistics in their 40's and 50's now, but we don't.

Autism does cover over issues too, there are many types and many causes, but the type which is caused by vaccines is known as Regressive Autism, where a perfectly healthy child regresses into Autism, normally after an MMR shot (though sometimes DPT or Hep B)

Medieval diseases? Give some examples, The Black Death?

Look, we got plenty of experts here.

That study has never been done, the statement is a belief based on assumption. :2 cents:


An incredibly dangerous vaccine, causes Asthma in a significant %, in the US 9 people die of Asthma every day (on average). Pharma make money from Asthma.

Men C is caused by the overuse of Antibiotics, we are naturally immune to Men C but after antibiotics we are susceptible.

An incredibly dangerous vaccine, if there were a rollercoaster ride with a 1 in 55 risk of Autism would any parent let their kid go on it? The Mumps part of the vaccine was faked through the studies as it wasn't good enough. The Rubella and Measles immunity does not last longer than 15 years, whereas if you caught the illnesses naturally you would be immune for life.

That's a small sample size, but if any have Peanut Allergies, Asthma, Eczema, Muscle Wasting Diseases, Epilepsy, Non Hodgkin Lymphoma, MS, Diabetes Type 1, Leukemia, Lupus, ADHD, Regressive Autism, Gluten intolerance, Hayfever, decreased IQ (the full list is a lot longer); then it's from the vaccines.


In healthy well-nourished individuals the immune system would cope just fine! Remember we descend from the survivors, if those diseases were so bad we'd have been wiped out. Big Pharma have rewritten history, but fortunately we can still use our common sense.

Two magicians...hmmm...I wonder why they'd need magicians to convince us that vaccines are good?...Did you spot how they performed the illusion? Call me a spoilsport, but they missed out vaccine damage such as Crib Death, Diabetes Type 1, MS, Epilepsy, Leukemia, Non Hodgkin Lymphoma, Muscle Wasting Diseases, Vaccine-Induced Polio, Lupus etc etc etc i.e. the highly profitable diseases which vaccines induce/spread (apart from Crib Death where they lose money)

lofling is ongoing

Well, now that you mention it.

Black Death AKA Bubonic Plague kills at least 20 in Madagascar

This article says that scientists are claiming that autism was just as prevalent 30-40 years ago as it is today, it was just diagnosed as something different.

Like you say, 40 years ago they would have made a blanket diagnosis of retarded, but now we know a lot more and they can be more specific with a diagnosis.

there is a vaccine for the plague?

here i thought simple AB would do the trick

These guys also forget the cultural differences and even life expectancy differences between today and 50 years ago.

50 years ago, nobody wanted the world to know that their child had "problems." It was kept secret. And on top of that, a lot of children that are alive today would have never lived 50 years ago, due to modern medicine. I am 30 and I know that if the medicine I needed when I was a baby wasn't around at that time, I would never be here.

Comparing stats today and 50 years ago is very rough at best.

And praise allah that if he did it's more likely to get measles, mumps etc and become infertile and ensure his DNA stops dirtying our gene pool.

I agree completely. When I was a kid (I'm 42 now) if a family had a mentally handicapped kid it was almost like a big secret. They kept it to themselves. There was one kid I went to high school with who was bad enough off he was very hard to understand, but he went to school (special needs classes) and made friends and tried to live a normal life. Many people in the town I grew up in thought it was terrible that his family let him out like that. It was crazy.

Now with social media everyone knows everything about everyone and it is much more common knowledge.

The Black Death is a good example, it shows that diseases can go away without vaccines. Just as Small Pox was eradicated through quarantine, yet we are told it was eradicated through mass vaccination.

It's the Big Pharma ones who say that as they are paid to find any other excuse rather than vaccines. :2 cents:

From your article:-

"Dr. Gary Goldstein, scientific adviser to the national advocacy group Autism Speaks, said the explanation for the rising autism prevalence is probably complex. Labeling and diagnosing probably play a role, as do genetics, but he believes the increase surpasses those two explanations.

"I'm seeing more children with autism than I ever would have expected to see," said Goldstein, who is chief executive of the Kennedy Krieger Institute, a treatment center for pediatric developmental disabilities in Baltimore."

If we look at the unvaccinated Amish we see that they don't suffer from Autism :2 cents:

Unvaccinated kids are the smartest and healthiest, that's why Big Pharma don't like them :2 cents:

There is actually massive correlation between autism and the age of the parents. A 35 year old male is something like 15 times more likely to have an autistic child than a 25 year old male. And what's happening atm? Everyone's waiting longer and longer to have kids... more autism, better diagnosis. And a few whackjobs on the internet who couldn't recognise a fact is it sat on their face and suffocated them. They all cried "Mercury - Mercury!" then they took mercury out of the scheduled childhood vaccinations and autism kept going up proving any link was total bullshit.. then they moved onto something else.. It's just whackamole with crazy, you can't win, you knock one down and they shift to something else and then forget you knocked the other one down and start using it again.

It's just a shame you can't round up all the people that think "measles is safe" even though it's thousands of times less safe than a vaccine and put them on an island where their kids can die, become infertile, deaf etc and not harm the rest of us.

Your stats are well out by the way...

"Men aged 35 to 39 years and 40 to 49 years raise their risk of having a child with autism by 40 and 50 percent, respectively, compared with men aged 20 to 24 years, the researchers found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/he...enia.html?_r=0

Also correlation is not causation, it could be that the kids of older parents are more susceptible to vaccine damage, or that older parents give more Tylenol around the time of vaccination. :2 cents:


They replaced it with Aluminium which is even worse. However, it's not the job of the parents to work out if it's the Mercury in vaccines causing Autism, it's the job of the CDC to find out what's causing Autism, unfortunately they are derelict of their duties.

The studies need to be done, the fact that Big Pharma are refusing to do them shows that they've got something to hide. Of course, we already know from their meetings and television interviews that know a lot more than they admit. Their priority is to cover it up.

You see the problem with any statement that you utter is that you have no credibility whatsoever. You and johnnyclips. What a pair of cunts.

You might actually be correct about something one day, but after all the bile you spout, and given that there is not a single loon theory that you dont believe, you are nothing more than the village idiot.

So your latest crazed rantings have the medical industry (which is certainly not perfect) plotting to enslave us all. Despite the fact that life expectancy in the medicated west has nearly doubled in the last 150 years, and despite the fact that infant mortality rates have reduced by 90%, you still believe every crank theory.

Big Oil/Big pharma/Big Food. It is all so lame. What is amusing is the believe one, believe them all syndrome, and the fact that it is you that thinks he is the enlightened free thinker. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Life expectancy has improved due to improved nutrition and sanitation, vaccines damage infant mortality, the more vaccines the worse the infant mortality.

A baby died in my area a year or two ago from whooping cough because of the high percentage of brainless hippies here not vaccinating their kids. Things like whooping cough take hold here because so many clueless dolts don't vaccinate, this woman dropped her other child off at school and the baby obviously got coughed on at the school gates and died a horrible choking death. The parents took on the local anti vax loons which eventually lead to them having to change their name from the impartial sounding to anti vax so people wouldn't think they were getting impartial advice.

I've just had a daughter and we basically kept her inside or in a covered pram for the first 3 months because of this. Now she's had her vaccinations we can finally take her out without worrying about all the inconsiderate fucks (and that includes people with the flu not covering their mouths when they sneeze).

I didn't let her get the Hep B shot when she was born though. There wasn't a lot of pressure and even though I'm very pro vaccination, I ran the numbers and came up with something like a 1:10,000 chance or her getting it just based on the general population and even less because we're proactive.
I guess that's the thing, vaccinations are of immense benefit. They are probably a top 3 human invention. But they do have rare side effects and people are stupid, ignorant pattern seeking idiots who can't see that whatever the small risks, the things it protects you against have far far higher risks.

Somehow they can look at their little angel and think measles with it's 1 in 300 death rate, it's 30% complications rate, it's 20% hospitalization rate, 8% diarrhea rate, 6% pneumonia rate (and death from that), 7% ear infection rate and of course blindness, encephalitis (1 in 1000) deafness and retardation (all in the US, not third world rates) and not think "side effects" but look at the vaccine and go "oh noz" when it has jack all side effects except a mild fever in 5-15% of cases.
I think it's because as a parent you make the decision to introduce the vaccination whereas the virus in the wild isn't guaranteed and is fate or god's plan or something so you don't stress about the side effects of the decision to not do something.

I'm particularly worried in 30 years when we no longer have so many blind, deaf or infertile people from pre-vaccination times that we really lose that societal memory of what it was like. At least now there are still plenty of people that can pipe up and say"I'm deaf because of measles when I was a kid" vaccination has made that so rare now that a generation of people don't understand the risks of the diseases and like the retard in chief here think "measles is perfectly safe".

luckily the antivax morons only make up 1-2%, and whilst they're killing and maiming innocent people, mostly babies, they're not actually growing.

The single largest factor in the increase in life expectancy has been medical advances. Things that once killed people are now easily treatable. The combination of medicine and medical techniques have aided greatly in our life expectancy.

You could make the argument that we eat worse now than we did 150 years ago. At least then everything wasn't packed full of refined sugar and chemicals. Nutrition plays a role, but this country is not healthy nutritionwise.

According to this piece the infant mortality rate from 1700-1750 in London was around 35%. 350 of every 1,000 babies died before the age of 2. As a comparison today in the UK the infant mortality rate is 4-5 per 1,000 babies.

That's the problem, I'm not talking retard here specifically as he's basically just a troll, but overall it really polarises things and helps prevent real debate. Plenty of people that are pro vaccine like myself know that not all vaccines are equal, more testing is always good and things like an anaphalaxis test for the one in a million that has a proper "going to die from vaccination" reaction would be good. Also genetic testing to determine what type of vaccine they should get (ie no live virus for the people that will react to that) would all be good. But you can't have a rational conversation with someone who believes kill switches are put into vaccines and Bill Gates is giving out vaccines that will control the population in 30 years. When I had my baby in the covered pram (was middle of winter didn't want people sneezing on a brand new baby without a fully functioning immune system) I was almost as worried about hormone mimicking chemicals leeching from the plastic as it has a very plastic smell she was cocooned in. There are risks stemming from the medical, oil and food industry. And it's good to have a sound knowledge of potential issues so we don't eat lead paint chips, bathe in DDT or breathe lead in gas fumes, but when you can't have a reasonable conversation there is just no point.

do you have a doctorate in any of those fields? researcher? or did you just gumshoe your way through it?

Studies show that the more vaccines we have the worse the infant mortality rate

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

More Vaccines Equal More Infant Deaths: Study Documents
http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/201...udy-documents/

The babies who used to die before age 2 were malnourished and living around poor sanitation :2 cents:

The general public are overconfident of their understanding on this topic, they've simply absorbed years of propaganda :2 cents:

fair enough. I was more trying to figure out to what level of 'reasonable' he was referring

well it is a fucking good job you are here to make sure us poor dumb fucks are on the right track !

You are a fucking weapon.

I'll agree with you on that :1orglaugh

Troll level :1orglaugh

You see there you go again. Your world view is so maladjusted that you are unable to actually take in information that does not agree with your religion.

Lets take a look at your claim; "Studies show that the more vaccines we have the worse the infant mortality rate."

Ok what studies ?

So I click your first link and low and behold a scientific paper written by real life scientists published in a govt site. Not a real study with new data, but a rehash of lots of existing work. However it is a study of sorts.

The basic claim of the paper is that some countries have better infant mortality rates than the US, yet they have lower inoculation rates. Ok the paper does not offer any evidence to suggest any thing other than a statistical correlation, so a tenuous link at best. But it allows loons like you to claim all manner of scary shite as being proven fact.

Fortunately I have the mental capacity and education to know that any evidence needs scrutiny before you can decide how much credence to allow. So I look a bit closer and low and behold a link at the top of the page that states the article has since been corrected.

So you click on the link and you find that the good doctors that wrote the article were forced to make an apology for misleading the site that published their "paper". It turns out that they claimed they were independent researchers when in fact they were paid to write the paper by anti vaccine pressure groups with which they were closely affiliated.

The following link is accessed from the top of the page.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3463891/

So as a piece of evidence to back up the garish claim of WHP, the conflict of interest and subsequent apology by the good doctors, renders it completely void.

However our good doctors should count themselves lucky that a correction and apology was all they suffered. The scoundrel that started the autism/mmr bullshit had his life and career destroyed when his lies were found out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

For me this is the worst part :

Wakefield's study and public recommendations against the use of the combined MMR vaccine were linked to a steep decline in vaccination rates in the United Kingdom and a corresponding rise in measles cases, resulting in serious illness and fatalities.

So children actually died because this twat lied. Do you follow ?

You spout this nonsense and it causes real genuine harm.


So WHP, if you want to be taken seriously stop jumping on every single conspiracy bandwagon. Some might even be true, but the fact that the same halfwits rant on about them ALL just make you look stupid. Also I would advise that you present evidence with fewer holes. If you put forward a piece of evidence, make sure you have actually read it.

Finally I would stay clear of conspiracies like the crap you spout about Sandyhook. Us normal folks with children have real empathy for the parents of the victims. I am not sure what you are trying to achieve with that one, but it really is quite sick.

I know you're one of the in-house TrollBots, but I'll reply to your bait anyway for some reason :upsidedow

That's what Big Pharma do, they fight people who speak out against their products. What they don't tell you is they'd have paid him 100 times that amount to prove vaccines are necessary, effective and safe. Anyone who wants money would clearly go to the $Trillion Pharma industry. They even pay you $50,000 per annum just to post pro-vaccine comments on social media. (I know that because I'm related to a guy who has to recruit them)

Of course, it doesn't matter whether we trust that researcher or not as all of the data is freely available, it doesn't take Einstein to see that he's right; compare the number of vaccines in countries schedules against the infant mortality rates, such information is freely available for all. (I know I've checked it all out and written articles using the data)


Keep in mind that Wakefield was only pulled up on ethics, his results still stand. Also now his results have been replicated around the world, the man has been vindicated. He should be Sir Wakefield :2 cents:

Whatever.

You put forward evidence which turns out to be bullshit, but that does not matter because you are right anyway. Then you call me a troll !

Wakefield's results still stand ? Ha. You are a funny guy.

The man and his work has been completely discredited. He was found to have been paid over £400k by lawyers trying to build a case against the MMR manufacturers. He was also found to have patented his own "cure" 6 months before releasing his made up study.

He has been struck off the medical register. I see a glorious future for him. Please show me an INDEPENDENT study that replicates his work and vindicates him.

what education level do you have that tells you he did this for 'kicks'?

you ask for an independent study, while talking about the 'lies' of one scientists, about non conclusive findings, regarding a subject not yet proven

i hope you didn't spend a lot of money

What a strange reply.

Who mentioned kicks ?

Are you talking about Wakefield ? Or are you referring to my previous post where WHP offered up "evidence" from a couple of scientists who failed to disclose who was paying them to re-hash a load of statistics as proof of a link between infant mortality and vaccination.

Or perhaps you are talking about something else. Who can say.

So yes WHP claimed that Wakefield had been vindicated and that his work had been independently repeated around the world. I believe he even suggested a knighthood was in order. Patent nonsense.

Are you going to help WHP out and tell us something of value ? Looks unlikely as your last post made as much sense as the average JohnnyClips rant.

one of the many scientists who suffered hatchet jobs for doing their jobs.

I can only assume you think this scientist did this for 'kicks'. It certainly wasn't money or fame

actually, if you are unable to understand this:

hard to expect you to understand what a 'hatchet job' is

my apologies

Ok so you are agreeing with WHP ?

Or just arguing for the sake of it ?

TrollBots are the ones who argue for the sake of it, I've provided extensive evidence to back up my side, none of the pro-vaccine bunch even know the basics.

I hereby declare victory :pimp

does your world always work in black and white?

Well I thought it was a simple enough question.