Free trade scripts - the real cost - GoFuckYourself.com

Libertine · 03-04-2003, 09:27 AM

There are a lot of people out there using free trade scripts, and it often seems like they have no idea whatsoever how much traffic it actually cost.

Here's an example:

Some trade scripts take 2% of your clicks. Now, the first thing you need to realize is that that's most often 2% of your total clicks. Say you send two thirds of your traffic to galleries, and one third to your trades, on a small tgp with 12500 hits a day and 30000 clicks a day of which 10000 to trades that would be 600 clicks, not the 200 some think it is.
Now, clicks produce traffic, and traffic produces clicks, etc. Let's say you have 240% total prod (80% prod to trades), and a 90% return ratio from your trades. For every 100 clicks you send to a trade, you then get 90 visitors back, and those produce 72 clicks to your trades.

Let's see what happens if you don't waste 600 clicks a day on your "free" trade script with stats like these (hits/clicks to trade ratio 80%, 90% return ratio) but instead send them to your own trades:

600 clicks get send away, those would have returned
540 hits, those would have produced
432 clicks, those would have returned
388.8 hits, those would have produced
311.04 clicks, those would have returned
279.936 hits... (etc etc etc)

In the end, this 12.5k a day tgp would have gotten 1540 extra hits a day with a different trading script.

FATPad · 03-04-2003, 09:45 AM

All I wanna know is why the people who write free trading scripts aren't paying us to use them.

DarkJedi · 03-04-2003, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
There are a lot of people out there using free trade scripts, and it often seems like they have no idea whatsoever how much traffic it actually cost.

Here's an example:

Some trade scripts take 2% of your clicks. Now, the first thing you need to realize is that that's most often 2% of your total clicks. Say you send two thirds of your traffic to galleries, and one third to your trades, on a small tgp with 12500 hits a day and 30000 clicks a day of which 10000 to trades that would be 600 clicks, not the 200 some think it is.
Now, clicks produce traffic, and traffic produces clicks, etc. Let's say you have 240% total prod (80% prod to trades), and a 90% return ratio from your trades. For every 100 clicks you send to a trade, you then get 90 visitors back, and those produce 72 clicks to your trades.

Let's see what happens if you don't waste 600 clicks a day on your "free" trade script with stats like these (hits/clicks to trade ratio 80%, 90% return ratio) but instead send them to your own trades:

600 clicks get send away, those would have returned
540 hits, those would have produced
432 clicks, those would have returned
388.8 hits, those would have produced
311.04 clicks, those would have returned
279.936 hits... (etc etc etc)

In the end, this 12.5k a day tgp would have gotten 1540 extra hits a day with a different trading script.

burn · 03-04-2003, 10:23 AM

I use them cause I'm poor and can't afford to buy a real trading script

Libertine · 03-04-2003, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by burn
I use them cause I'm poor and can't afford to buy a real trading script

Would you go for an adware trade script that doesn't take traffic? Ads are in the admin and on the webmaster page, no traffic loss.

Jak · 03-04-2003, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi

Lol

Quoth the Raven · 03-04-2003, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by burn
I use them cause I'm poor and can't afford to buy a real trading script

Sure you can. some are 150$ and under.

Lane · 03-04-2003, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
There are a lot of people out there using free trade scripts, and it often seems like they have no idea whatsoever how much traffic it actually cost.

Here's an example:

Some trade scripts take 2% of your clicks. Now, the first thing you need to realize is that that's most often 2% of your total clicks. Say you send two thirds of your traffic to galleries, and one third to your trades, on a small tgp with 12500 hits a day and 30000 clicks a day of which 10000 to trades that would be 600 clicks, not the 200 some think it is.
Now, clicks produce traffic, and traffic produces clicks, etc. Let's say you have 240% total prod (80% prod to trades), and a 90% return ratio from your trades. For every 100 clicks you send to a trade, you then get 90 visitors back, and those produce 72 clicks to your trades.

Let's see what happens if you don't waste 600 clicks a day on your "free" trade script with stats like these (hits/clicks to trade ratio 80%, 90% return ratio) but instead send them to your own trades:

600 clicks get send away, those would have returned
540 hits, those would have produced
432 clicks, those would have returned
388.8 hits, those would have produced
311.04 clicks, those would have returned
279.936 hits... (etc etc etc)

In the end, this 12.5k a day tgp would have gotten 1540 extra hits a day with a different trading script.

believe me, the mathmatical approach to the trading concept is a lot more complicated than that.. there a lot of factors you are not considering.

how would you explain how some tgps start losing traffic when they switch from a free script to a paid one? i'm not saying thats more likely the case, but i've seen it happen quite often.

burn · 03-04-2003, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld

Would you go for an adware trade script that doesn't take traffic? Ads are in the admin and on the webmaster page, no traffic loss.

yes

playa · 03-04-2003, 10:41 AM

this man is a genious

burn · 03-04-2003, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by Quoth the Raven

Sure you can. some are 150$ and under.

Only script I would buy is UCJ and they are high dollar

Danny_C · 03-04-2003, 10:44 AM

AWGTrade is free and doesn't skim a single hit.

www.awgtrade.com

Ads in the admin, as was described a post or two above.

Libertine · 03-04-2003, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Danny_C
AWGTrade is free and doesn't skim a single hit.

www.awgtrade.com

Ads in the admin, as was described a post or two above.

Resets daily, which is bad. Very bad, even. Besides that, the iframe is rather big and annoying.

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
believe me, the mathmatical approach to the trading concept is a lot more complicated than that.. there a lot of factors you are not considering.

how would you explain how some tgps start losing traffic when they switch from a free script to a paid one? i'm not saying thats more likely the case, but i've seen it happen quite often.

Ofcourse, there are also other factors that count. Mainly the script's trading algo.

However, you wouldn't seriously imply that sending hits to another site without getting anything back is good for business, would you? Or that the hits you lose wouldn't generate more hits, which would generate more clicks, which would ... etc if you sent them to trades instead, would you?
Exactly.

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Originally posted by burn

Only script I would buy is UCJ and they are high dollar

Not true. UCJ can be gotten by posting on AWI a lot.
Besides that, why not TM3? It's cheaper, and many people say it's better.

burn · 03-04-2003, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Not true. UCJ can be gotten by posting on AWI a lot.
Besides that, why not TM3? It's cheaper, and many people say it's better.

I know just whored over there yet

Spunky · 03-04-2003, 11:10 AM

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Not true. UCJ can be gotten by posting on AWI a lot. Besides that, why not TM3? It's cheaper, and many people say it's better.

TM3 Rocks

.Great force features and proxy detection.Also they offer you a payment plan of 100 bucks for 4 months.

Danny_C · 03-04-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Resets daily, which is bad. Very bad, even. Besides that, the hahahahahaha is rather big and annoying.

The daily resets aren't the best way to go, but "very bad" is a "very bad" exaggeration.

Version 2 will be out soon, and there won't be any resets in that one.

As for the i-f-r-a-m-e (banned word), you're complaining about nothing. It's not huge, it's not annoying (in fact, there are paid scripts with hahahahahaha headers in the admin), it's not seen by your visitors... and it's the least you could give for a free script that skims no traffic.

Mark · 03-04-2003, 11:43 AM

errmm.. no..

But feel free to buy one of those other well known trading scripts that shall remain nameless and that rely on counting referring urls despite the fact that millions of people today use privacy software (like norton) which hides referrer info..

My recommendation is to use xxxmanager which will actually count accurately, will work on multiple domains and servers, has very advanced features not offered anywhere else afaik and will allow your system to grow without you worrying about the trade script overloading when you get a lot of traffic..

Choker · 03-04-2003, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
All I wanna know is why the people who write free trading scripts aren't paying us to use them.

TTT does not pay you, but users can win up to $750 per month just for using it. And it only takes 1%, a true 1%. You can even see what it takes from you in real time. But for some unknown reason my thread got locked.
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=112725

Libertine · 03-04-2003, 12:27 PM

Oh, great. I just triggered the tradescript spamfest.

lil2rich4u2 · 03-04-2003, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

TTT does not pay you, but users can win up to $750 per month just for using it. And it only takes 1%, a true 1%. You can even see what it takes from you in real time. But for some unknown reason my thread got locked.
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=112725

but in the trade script it says "about 2%"

which actually, when i do the math it comes to about 1.5%-1.7%

not saying its good or bad, just not 1%, lol

lil2rich4u2 · 03-04-2003, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

TTT does not pay you, but users can win up to $750 per month just for using it. And it only takes 1%, a true 1%. You can even see what it takes from you in real time. But for some unknown reason my thread got locked.
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=112725

hmm i was just thinking ...

NOT implying that you do this, but what stops these scripts from snagging alot more than what they tell us they take?

I mean say a script says 1% skim to the developer, what if he is really taking like 7% and i didnt know it?

Has anyone come up with a way to test this at all?

Choker · 03-04-2003, 12:58 PM

Dude it says 1% and 1% is what it takes. If anyone using TTT thinks they are getting taken for more than that, I will be happy to show them my stats on my end that shows every single hit I take. If I say it takes 1%, then it takes 1%. I have bought and sold billions of hits from over 5000 different webmasters and not a single one can say that I ripped them off. I am not going to ruin my reputation over a free trade script. It takes 1%.

Choker · 03-04-2003, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

hmm i was just thinking ...

NOT implying that you do this, but what stops these scripts from snagging alot more than what they tell us they take?

I mean say a script says 1% skim to the developer, what if he is really taking like 7% and i didnt know it?

Has anyone come up with a way to test this at all?

As of 5 minutes ago
pleasuredvds.com 113 from you since midnight EST I think is when it resets, and 462 this month

lil2rich4u2 · 03-04-2003, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

As of 5 minutes ago
pleasuredvds.com 113 from you since midnight EST I think is when it resets, and 462 this month

yea off my archive page, if you didnt have my blacklisted id be able to dump all my clicks to you.

lil2rich4u2 · 03-04-2003, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

yea off my archive page, if you didnt have my blacklisted id be able to dump all my clicks to you.

oops scratch that, lol

i thought you meant to CTSS

lil2rich4u2 · 03-04-2003, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

As of 5 minutes ago
pleasuredvds.com 113 from you since midnight EST I think is when it resets, and 462 this month

if that is from my entire domain, your stats are all off.

gimme 2 min for screen shots.

lil2rich4u2 · 03-04-2003, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

if that is from my entire domain, your stats are all off.

gimme 2 min for screen shots.

ok n/m the screenies, i didnt realize you said since midnight. I have no way of checking since midnight, but these are my last 24hr stats as of right now ....

siteA:
total = 13724
to choker = 197

siteB:
total = 791
to choker = 8

siteC:
total = 1408
to choker = 19

again, im not saying i care, its a small price to pay for a decent script, but i think it is above 1%

maybe i wont see an actual ratio until my traffic goes up? i dunno

eiht_98 · 03-04-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi

I love these picture replies...

Mark · 03-04-2003, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Oh, great. I just triggered the tradescript spamfest.

You reap what you sow..

trelic · 03-04-2003, 03:10 PM

The reason someone would use a free tradding script is to get traffic from different sources. Using it in conjunction with your own hosted scripts = optimal traffic. Second, some scripts can be used on sites that do not have the option of having a database driven script. My script can be used on any site, paste my code like it was html and bam, a text link trade is acheived. Same principal as a banner exchange like sexswap.com but more effective. Try mine out : www.trelic.com its all automated and uses my bandwidth

Nina · 03-04-2003, 03:14 PM

When are people going to learn that nothing is free.

Lane · 03-04-2003, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Nina
When are people going to learn that nothing is free.

but priceless

Libertine · 03-04-2003, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nina
When are people going to learn that nothing is free.

Ever heard of the open source community?

hybrid · 03-04-2003, 03:20 PM

good question.

Choker · 03-04-2003, 03:36 PM

I have 12 TGPs and I use my own free trade script on 10 of them. It is just not economical for me to buy a trade script for every tgp I start, not to mention the hassle of having to pay the writer to move it when I decide I want the TGP on a different server. Why should I put $600 into a trade script for a TGP until I know it will be succesfull and big? I understand your points Punkworld but there are good reasons many guys use free trade scripts. I have implemented many features in mine that not even paid scripts have. As far as the problem of guys changing my script so I don't get any traffic, well other than legal action, I have started a lottery that the guys can win big cash just for using my script every month. Also I merged my findtrades database with the trade script, so guys using my trade script basically do not have to worry about cheaters signing up with their tgp. My script blocks them from signing up. And if the user wishes, he can set the trade script to only accept trades that have been pre-approved in the findtrades database. The end result is that I spend 30 minutes a day in my paid trade scripts checking and deleteing trades. In my TTT trade scripts it takes me 5 minutes once a week. Time is money.

slapass · 03-04-2003, 05:42 PM

Lane hasa great script. I am not sure what he takes but it is over 2% by my stats. Chokers seemed to me it did not allow me to set a custom return link or I missed it.

03-04-2003, 09:27 AM	#1
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Free trade scripts - the real cost There are a lot of people out there using free trade scripts, and it often seems like they have no idea whatsoever how much traffic it actually cost. Here's an example: Some trade scripts take 2% of your clicks. Now, the first thing you need to realize is that that's most often 2% of your <b>total</b> clicks. Say you send two thirds of your traffic to galleries, and one third to your trades, on a small tgp with 12500 hits a day and 30000 clicks a day of which 10000 to trades that would be 600 clicks, not the 200 some think it is. Now, clicks produce traffic, and traffic produces clicks, etc. Let's say you have 240% total prod (80% prod to trades), and a 90% return ratio from your trades. For every 100 clicks you send to a trade, you then get 90 visitors back, and those produce 72 clicks to your trades. Let's see what happens if you don't waste 600 clicks a day on your "free" trade script with stats like these (hits/clicks to trade ratio 80%, 90% return ratio) but instead send them to your own trades: 600 clicks get send away, those would have returned 540 hits, those would have produced 432 clicks, those would have returned 388.8 hits, those would have produced 311.04 clicks, those would have returned 279.936 hits... (etc etc etc) In the end, this 12.5k a day tgp would have gotten 1540 extra hits a day with a different trading script. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/ Last edited by Libertine; 03-04-2003 at 09:39 AM..

03-04-2003, 09:45 AM	#2
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	All I wanna know is why the people who write free trading scripts aren't paying us to use them. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

03-04-2003, 10:23 AM	#4
burn Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 507	I use them cause I'm poor and can't afford to buy a real trading script __________________ Trade traffic with my sites!

03-04-2003, 12:27 PM	#19
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Oh, great. I just triggered the tradescript spamfest. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

03-04-2003, 12:58 PM	#22
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	Dude it says 1% and 1% is what it takes. If anyone using TTT thinks they are getting taken for more than that, I will be happy to show them my stats on my end that shows every single hit I take. If I say it takes 1%, then it takes 1%. I have bought and sold billions of hits from over 5000 different webmasters and not a single one can say that I ripped them off. I am not going to ruin my reputation over a free trade script. It takes 1%. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

03-04-2003, 10:41 AM	#10
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	this man is a genious

03-04-2003, 10:44 AM	#12
Danny_C Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,160	AWGTrade is free and doesn't skim a single hit. www.awgtrade.com Ads in the admin, as was described a post or two above.

03-04-2003, 11:43 AM	#17
Mark Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 600	errmm.. no.. But feel free to buy one of those other well known trading scripts that shall remain nameless and that rely on counting referring urls despite the fact that millions of people today use privacy software (like norton) which hides referrer info.. My recommendation is to use xxxmanager which will actually count accurately, will work on multiple domains and servers, has very advanced features not offered anywhere else afaik and will allow your system to grow without you worrying about the trade script overloading when you get a lot of traffic..

03-04-2003, 03:10 PM	#30
trelic Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 41	The reason someone would use a free tradding script is to get traffic from different sources. Using it in conjunction with your own hosted scripts = optimal traffic. Second, some scripts can be used on sites that do not have the option of having a database driven script. My script can be used on any site, paste my code like it was html and bam, a text link trade is acheived. Same principal as a banner exchange like sexswap.com but more effective. Try mine out : www.trelic.com its all automated and uses my bandwidth __________________ Trelic Text Link Exchange www.trelic.com New members get 1000 credits, webmaster referals get 500 credits + $1 US.

03-04-2003, 03:14 PM	#31
Nina Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 2,687	When are people going to learn that nothing is free.

03-04-2003, 03:20 PM	#34
hybrid So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Backseat of a Ford Escort Hatchback Posts: 3,253	good question.

03-04-2003, 03:36 PM	#35
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	I have 12 TGPs and I use my own free trade script on 10 of them. It is just not economical for me to buy a trade script for every tgp I start, not to mention the hassle of having to pay the writer to move it when I decide I want the TGP on a different server. Why should I put $600 into a trade script for a TGP until I know it will be succesfull and big? I understand your points Punkworld but there are good reasons many guys use free trade scripts. I have implemented many features in mine that not even paid scripts have. As far as the problem of guys changing my script so I don't get any traffic, well other than legal action, I have started a lottery that the guys can win big cash just for using my script every month. Also I merged my findtrades database with the trade script, so guys using my trade script basically do not have to worry about cheaters signing up with their tgp. My script blocks them from signing up. And if the user wishes, he can set the trade script to only accept trades that have been pre-approved in the findtrades database. The end result is that I spend 30 minutes a day in my paid trade scripts checking and deleteing trades. In my TTT trade scripts it takes me 5 minutes once a week. Time is money. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

03-04-2003, 05:42 PM	#36
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Lane hasa great script. I am not sure what he takes but it is over 2% by my stats. Chokers seemed to me it did not allow me to set a custom return link or I missed it.