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  • Libertine
    sex dwarf
    • May 2002
    • 17860

    #1

    Free trade scripts - the real cost

    There are a lot of people out there using free trade scripts, and it often seems like they have no idea whatsoever how much traffic it actually cost.

    Here's an example:

    Some trade scripts take 2% of your clicks. Now, the first thing you need to realize is that that's most often 2% of your <b>total</b> clicks. Say you send two thirds of your traffic to galleries, and one third to your trades, on a small tgp with 12500 hits a day and 30000 clicks a day of which 10000 to trades that would be 600 clicks, not the 200 some think it is.
    Now, clicks produce traffic, and traffic produces clicks, etc. Let's say you have 240% total prod (80% prod to trades), and a 90% return ratio from your trades. For every 100 clicks you send to a trade, you then get 90 visitors back, and those produce 72 clicks to your trades.

    Let's see what happens if you don't waste 600 clicks a day on your "free" trade script with stats like these (hits/clicks to trade ratio 80%, 90% return ratio) but instead send them to your own trades:

    600 clicks get send away, those would have returned
    540 hits, those would have produced
    432 clicks, those would have returned
    388.8 hits, those would have produced
    311.04 clicks, those would have returned
    279.936 hits... (etc etc etc)

    In the end, this 12.5k a day tgp would have gotten 1540 extra hits a day with a different trading script.
    Last edited by Libertine; 03-04-2003, 07:39 AM.
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  • FATPad
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2001
    • 6693

    #2
    All I wanna know is why the people who write free trading scripts aren't paying us to use them.
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    • DarkJedi
      No Refunds Issued.
      • Feb 2001
      • 28301

      #3
      Originally posted by punkworld
      There are a lot of people out there using free trade scripts, and it often seems like they have no idea whatsoever how much traffic it actually cost.

      Here's an example:

      Some trade scripts take 2% of your clicks. Now, the first thing you need to realize is that that's most often 2% of your <b>total</b> clicks. Say you send two thirds of your traffic to galleries, and one third to your trades, on a small tgp with 12500 hits a day and 30000 clicks a day of which 10000 to trades that would be 600 clicks, not the 200 some think it is.
      Now, clicks produce traffic, and traffic produces clicks, etc. Let's say you have 240% total prod (80% prod to trades), and a 90% return ratio from your trades. For every 100 clicks you send to a trade, you then get 90 visitors back, and those produce 72 clicks to your trades.

      Let's see what happens if you don't waste 600 clicks a day on your "free" trade script with stats like these (hits/clicks to trade ratio 80%, 90% return ratio) but instead send them to your own trades:

      600 clicks get send away, those would have returned
      540 hits, those would have produced
      432 clicks, those would have returned
      388.8 hits, those would have produced
      311.04 clicks, those would have returned
      279.936 hits... (etc etc etc)

      In the end, this 12.5k a day tgp would have gotten 1540 extra hits a day with a different trading script.


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      • burn
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2001
        • 507

        #4
        I use them cause I'm poor and can't afford to buy a real trading script
        Trade traffic with my sites!

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        • Libertine
          sex dwarf
          • May 2002
          • 17860

          #5
          Originally posted by burn
          I use them cause I'm poor and can't afford to buy a real trading script
          Would you go for an adware trade script that doesn't take traffic? Ads are in the admin and on the webmaster page, no traffic loss.
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          • Jak
            So Fucking Banned
            • Apr 2002
            • 1143

            #6
            Originally posted by DarkJedi
            Lol

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            • Quoth the Raven
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2001
              • 617

              #7
              Originally posted by burn
              I use them cause I'm poor and can't afford to buy a real trading script
              Sure you can. some are 150$ and under.
              Quoth the Raven, nevermore.

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              • Lane
                Will code for food...
                • Apr 2001
                • 8496

                #8
                Originally posted by punkworld
                There are a lot of people out there using free trade scripts, and it often seems like they have no idea whatsoever how much traffic it actually cost.

                Here's an example:

                Some trade scripts take 2% of your clicks. Now, the first thing you need to realize is that that's most often 2% of your <b>total</b> clicks. Say you send two thirds of your traffic to galleries, and one third to your trades, on a small tgp with 12500 hits a day and 30000 clicks a day of which 10000 to trades that would be 600 clicks, not the 200 some think it is.
                Now, clicks produce traffic, and traffic produces clicks, etc. Let's say you have 240% total prod (80% prod to trades), and a 90% return ratio from your trades. For every 100 clicks you send to a trade, you then get 90 visitors back, and those produce 72 clicks to your trades.

                Let's see what happens if you don't waste 600 clicks a day on your "free" trade script with stats like these (hits/clicks to trade ratio 80%, 90% return ratio) but instead send them to your own trades:

                600 clicks get send away, those would have returned
                540 hits, those would have produced
                432 clicks, those would have returned
                388.8 hits, those would have produced
                311.04 clicks, those would have returned
                279.936 hits... (etc etc etc)

                In the end, this 12.5k a day tgp would have gotten 1540 extra hits a day with a different trading script.

                believe me, the mathmatical approach to the trading concept is a lot more complicated than that.. there a lot of factors you are not considering.

                how would you explain how some tgps start losing traffic when they switch from a free script to a paid one? i'm not saying thats more likely the case, but i've seen it happen quite often.

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                • burn
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2001
                  • 507

                  #9
                  Originally posted by punkworld


                  Would you go for an adware trade script that doesn't take traffic? Ads are in the admin and on the webmaster page, no traffic loss.
                  yes
                  Trade traffic with my sites!

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                  • playa
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2001
                    • 6432

                    #10
                    this man is a genious

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                    • burn
                      Confirmed User
                      • Dec 2001
                      • 507

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Quoth the Raven


                      Sure you can. some are 150$ and under.
                      Only script I would buy is UCJ and they are high dollar
                      Trade traffic with my sites!

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                      • Danny_C
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2002
                        • 2160

                        #12
                        AWGTrade is free and doesn't skim a single hit.

                        www.awgtrade.com

                        Ads in the admin, as was described a post or two above.

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                        • Libertine
                          sex dwarf
                          • May 2002
                          • 17860

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Danny_C
                          AWGTrade is free and doesn't skim a single hit.

                          www.awgtrade.com

                          Ads in the admin, as was described a post or two above.
                          Resets daily, which is bad. Very bad, even. Besides that, the iframe is rather big and annoying.

                          Originally posted by Lane
                          believe me, the mathmatical approach to the trading concept is a lot more complicated than that.. there a lot of factors you are not considering.

                          how would you explain how some tgps start losing traffic when they switch from a free script to a paid one? i'm not saying thats more likely the case, but i've seen it happen quite often.
                          Ofcourse, there are also other factors that count. Mainly the script's trading algo.

                          However, you wouldn't seriously imply that sending hits to another site without getting anything back is good for business, would you? Or that the hits you lose wouldn't generate more hits, which would generate more clicks, which would ... etc if you sent them to trades instead, would you?
                          Exactly.

                          Originally posted by burn

                          Only script I would buy is UCJ and they are high dollar
                          Not true. UCJ can be gotten by posting on AWI a lot.
                          Besides that, why not TM3? It's cheaper, and many people say it's better.
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                          • burn
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2001
                            • 507

                            #14
                            Originally posted by punkworld


                            Not true. UCJ can be gotten by posting on AWI a lot.
                            Besides that, why not TM3? It's cheaper, and many people say it's better.
                            I know just whored over there yet
                            Trade traffic with my sites!

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                            • Spunky
                              I need a beer
                              • Jun 2002
                              • 133978

                              #15
                              Not true. UCJ can be gotten by posting on AWI a lot. Besides that, why not TM3? It's cheaper, and many people say it's better.
                              TM3 Rocks .Great force features and proxy detection.Also they offer you a payment plan of 100 bucks for 4 months.

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                              • Danny_C
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2002
                                • 2160

                                #16
                                Originally posted by punkworld


                                Resets daily, which is bad. Very bad, even. Besides that, the hahahahahaha is rather big and annoying.
                                The daily resets aren't the best way to go, but "very bad" is a "very bad" exaggeration.

                                Version 2 will be out soon, and there won't be any resets in that one.

                                As for the i-f-r-a-m-e (banned word), you're complaining about nothing. It's not huge, it's not annoying (in fact, there are paid scripts with hahahahahaha headers in the admin), it's not seen by your visitors... and it's the least you could give for a free script that skims no traffic.

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                                • Mark
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jul 2001
                                  • 600

                                  #17
                                  errmm.. no..

                                  But feel free to buy one of those other well known trading scripts that shall remain nameless and that rely on counting referring urls despite the fact that millions of people today use privacy software (like norton) which hides referrer info..



                                  My recommendation is to use xxxmanager which will actually count accurately, will work on multiple domains and servers, has very advanced features not offered anywhere else afaik and will allow your system to grow without you worrying about the trade script overloading when you get a lot of traffic..

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                                  • Choker
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Apr 2001
                                    • 9024

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by FATPad
                                    All I wanna know is why the people who write free trading scripts aren't paying us to use them.
                                    TTT does not pay you, but users can win up to $750 per month just for using it. And it only takes 1%, a true 1%. You can even see what it takes from you in real time. But for some unknown reason my thread got locked.
                                    http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=112725
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                                    • Libertine
                                      sex dwarf
                                      • May 2002
                                      • 17860

                                      #19
                                      Oh, great. I just triggered the tradescript spamfest.
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                                      • lil2rich4u2
                                        ICQ: 175171926
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 11046

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Choker

                                        TTT does not pay you, but users can win up to $750 per month just for using it. And it only takes 1%, a true 1%. You can even see what it takes from you in real time. But for some unknown reason my thread got locked.
                                        http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=112725
                                        but in the trade script it says "about 2%"

                                        which actually, when i do the math it comes to about 1.5%-1.7%


                                        not saying its good or bad, just not 1%, lol
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                                        • lil2rich4u2
                                          ICQ: 175171926
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 11046

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Choker

                                          TTT does not pay you, but users can win up to $750 per month just for using it. And it only takes 1%, a true 1%. You can even see what it takes from you in real time. But for some unknown reason my thread got locked.
                                          http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=112725

                                          hmm i was just thinking ...

                                          NOT implying that you do this, but what stops these scripts from snagging alot more than what they tell us they take?

                                          I mean say a script says 1% skim to the developer, what if he is really taking like 7% and i didnt know it?

                                          Has anyone come up with a way to test this at all?
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                                          • Choker
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Apr 2001
                                            • 9024

                                            #22
                                            Dude it says 1% and 1% is what it takes. If anyone using TTT thinks they are getting taken for more than that, I will be happy to show them my stats on my end that shows every single hit I take. If I say it takes 1%, then it takes 1%. I have bought and sold billions of hits from over 5000 different webmasters and not a single one can say that I ripped them off. I am not going to ruin my reputation over a free trade script. It takes 1%.
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                                            • Choker
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2001
                                              • 9024

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by lil2rich4u2



                                              hmm i was just thinking ...

                                              NOT implying that you do this, but what stops these scripts from snagging alot more than what they tell us they take?

                                              I mean say a script says 1% skim to the developer, what if he is really taking like 7% and i didnt know it?

                                              Has anyone come up with a way to test this at all?
                                              As of 5 minutes ago
                                              pleasuredvds.com 113 from you since midnight EST I think is when it resets, and 462 this month
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                                              • lil2rich4u2
                                                ICQ: 175171926
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 11046

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Choker


                                                As of 5 minutes ago
                                                pleasuredvds.com 113 from you since midnight EST I think is when it resets, and 462 this month

                                                yea off my archive page, if you didnt have my blacklisted id be able to dump all my clicks to you.

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                                                • lil2rich4u2
                                                  ICQ: 175171926
                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 11046

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by lil2rich4u2



                                                  yea off my archive page, if you didnt have my blacklisted id be able to dump all my clicks to you.

                                                  oops scratch that, lol


                                                  i thought you meant to CTSS
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                                                  • lil2rich4u2
                                                    ICQ: 175171926
                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                    • 11046

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Choker


                                                    As of 5 minutes ago
                                                    pleasuredvds.com 113 from you since midnight EST I think is when it resets, and 462 this month


                                                    if that is from my entire domain, your stats are all off.

                                                    gimme 2 min for screen shots.
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                                                    • lil2rich4u2
                                                      ICQ: 175171926
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 11046

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by lil2rich4u2




                                                      if that is from my entire domain, your stats are all off.

                                                      gimme 2 min for screen shots.

                                                      ok n/m the screenies, i didnt realize you said since midnight. I have no way of checking since midnight, but these are my last 24hr stats as of right now ....


                                                      siteA:
                                                      total = 13724
                                                      to choker = 197



                                                      siteB:
                                                      total = 791
                                                      to choker = 8



                                                      siteC:
                                                      total = 1408
                                                      to choker = 19



                                                      again, im not saying i care, its a small price to pay for a decent script, but i think it is above 1%

                                                      maybe i wont see an actual ratio until my traffic goes up? i dunno
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                                                      • eiht_98
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                        • 6103

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi




                                                        I love these picture replies...

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                                                        • Mark
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                          • 600

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by punkworld
                                                          Oh, great. I just triggered the tradescript spamfest.

                                                          You reap what you sow..

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                                                          • trelic
                                                            Registered User
                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                            • 41

                                                            #30
                                                            The reason someone would use a free tradding script is to get traffic from different sources. Using it in conjunction with your own hosted scripts = optimal traffic. Second, some scripts can be used on sites that do not have the option of having a database driven script. My script can be used on any site, paste my code like it was html and bam, a text link trade is acheived. Same principal as a banner exchange like sexswap.com but more effective. Try mine out : www.trelic.com its all automated and uses my bandwidth
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                                                            • Nina
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                              • 2687

                                                              #31
                                                              When are people going to learn that nothing is free.

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                                                              • Lane
                                                                Will code for food...
                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                • 8496

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Nina
                                                                When are people going to learn that nothing is free.
                                                                but priceless

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                                                                • Libertine
                                                                  sex dwarf
                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                  • 17860

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Nina
                                                                  When are people going to learn that nothing is free.
                                                                  Ever heard of the open source community?
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                                                                  • hybrid
                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                    • 3253

                                                                    #34
                                                                    good question.

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                                                                    • Choker
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                      • 9024

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I have 12 TGPs and I use my own free trade script on 10 of them. It is just not economical for me to buy a trade script for every tgp I start, not to mention the hassle of having to pay the writer to move it when I decide I want the TGP on a different server. Why should I put $600 into a trade script for a TGP until I know it will be succesfull and big? I understand your points Punkworld but there are good reasons many guys use free trade scripts. I have implemented many features in mine that not even paid scripts have. As far as the problem of guys changing my script so I don't get any traffic, well other than legal action, I have started a lottery that the guys can win big cash just for using my script every month. Also I merged my findtrades database with the trade script, so guys using my trade script basically do not have to worry about cheaters signing up with their tgp. My script blocks them from signing up. And if the user wishes, he can set the trade script to only accept trades that have been pre-approved in the findtrades database. The end result is that I spend 30 minutes a day in my paid trade scripts checking and deleteing trades. In my TTT trade scripts it takes me 5 minutes once a week. Time is money.
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                                                                      • slapass
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                        • 14625

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Lane hasa great script. I am not sure what he takes but it is over 2% by my stats. Chokers seemed to me it did not allow me to set a custom return link or I missed it.

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