Are we all agreed that WTC7 fell in freefall?

Fiddy freefalls.

When relatives make constant trips to the kitchen for 'more wine' - its a polite excuse to laugh behind the door.

I doubt you will find much argument with that assessment.

It used to be like that, but they're slowly coming round, loads are anti-vax now after me chipping away at them all these years

Exactly...they had all been "pulled" before the building collapsed. Their conversations about the damage that was done...and the building leaning are all tape recorded. There are photographs showing the hugh gash in the side of the building leading down to one corner of the building. If I remember correctly it was a gash 18 floors long.

Introduction to Free Fall

A free falling object is an object that is falling under the sole influence of gravity. Any object that is being acted upon only by the force of gravity is said to be in a state of free fall. There are two important motion characteristics that are true of free-falling objects:
•Free-falling objects do not encounter air resistance.
•All free-falling objects (on Earth) accelerate downwards at a rate of 9.8 m/s/s (often approximated as 10 m/s/s for back-of-the-envelope calculations)


There is nothing in that video that even resembles free fall.

You're a fruitcake.

I doubt that your chipping away has had anything but a negative affect...and even if some are slowly coming round to your way of thinking you should be ashamed for adding more idiots to the population.

I am surprised the relatives go through the trouble of going anywhere the OP is; I know I'd find something better to do, like pick the fleas off rabid raccoons.

considering he managed to win 861 million on an insurance settlement, i bet he was talking about firefighters.

Well his appearance probably makes it more of a religious day for them...because when he shows up I am certain they say "Oh my God"...but then again it could be "Goddammit".

People want to believe that their government is all knowing and looking out for them...just as God.

People still believe in that pigshit religion despite the obvious and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Do you really think that the majority of idiots will ever accept that their government is against them?

NO

Whoah whoah whoah.. You've got it completely and utterly ass backwards. Normal rational people think government is somewhat ineffectual, doesn't live up to it's promises, is often well meaning but also corrupt and compromised.

In the "rational corner" we have hundreds of displays of the government being inept and myopic.. fucking take your pick from the Obamacare website to the Hurricane Katrina emergency response to weapons of mass destruction.

Rational people think the government is inept, it's the conspiracy nutjobs that think the government is God. It's the nutjobs that think a government that can spend hundreds of millions on a healthcare website that doesn't work and can't keep a presidential blow job secret can rig 3 buildings with explosives over months with a team of 50 people without tens of thousands of people noticing and have nothing leak - A godlike government literally causing ACTS OF GOD with haarp induced earthquakes!

LOL clueless. Conspiracies are literally a religion - it's a way of giving meaning to the largely random acts in our world and replacing a sky daddy with a smoke filled room daddy that pulls all the strings and makes things happen. No problem with individual conspiracies but it's a religion to the 9/11+haarp+contrails+SandyHook+ANYTHING THATHAPPENSATALL crowd. It's the rabbit hole. It's like their naive mind is blown the first time they learn not everything is as it seems and they flip out and go the other extreme and for example, can't immediately tell David Icke is a raving tard or raking in cash from gullible conspirasheeple.

Cos you were there right ?

The real question in all of this is why ?

If you believe the crackpot falseflag bullshit - then you have a motive for 9/11, but what was the motive for WTC7 ?

Was the flag of destroying the twin towers not false enough ?

There was evidence and investigations in WTC7 which needed to be destroyed

I'm quite a helpful chap at times, they are grateful that I opened their eyes to the reality of vaccines

The timing shows that WTC7 fell at freefall

What evidence ?

Hear...hear!

Damn straight! But the OP is either a huge troll or just plain retarded, sitting all day looking for corruption and conspiracies where there are none rather than face the fact that right outside his door shit is going down he should be more worried about:
http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results

There is only 50 countries on the planet more corrupt than his, and the US ain't one of em.

Nailed it.

Here is a whole page of RATIONAL arguments debunking the whole WTC7 conspiracy bullshit that no conspiracy theorist will ever consider because it goes against their preformed conclusions.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

That's a good page, thanks!








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fuck you building 7, everybody say they have correct data now...

he was talking about the firemen in the building dimwit... watch the whole clip, the bong resin shouldn't interfere once you understand the context of that whole conversation...

I guess there is hope that your family will just die out from lack of medical care.

is that right.

you know there is documents that show when the building was evacuated

and then there is documents showing when the building fell

and these times are hours apart

but you got a chance to call me a dimwit

you can call it a day

so let's be real clear-

conspiracy nutters think the decision to topple wtc 7 was a short convo between the bldg owner and the fire chief

He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence...

It's nuts that they're still trying to spin this, telling us that an apple is an orange

It was a long convo between Silverstein and the insurance company, he wanted to see if he'd still get paid if the building went down via controlled demo, given that the plane which was meant to hit it got delayed in airport congestion.

Silverstein is a 'Lucky' man

This is from an official story believer http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...ro-sept-shame/

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro states, ?I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard.?

?Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building ? since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.?

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties? estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. This building?s collapse alone resulted in a payout of nearly $500 million, based on the contention that it was an unforeseen accidental event.

?A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the building?s imminent collapse and potentially save lives. Many law enforcement personnel, firefighters and other journalists were aware of this possible option. There was no secret. There was no conspiracy,? writes Shapiro.

again, clinging to the scraps of wtc7 12 years later and for what?
just to be right.

there are so many other current issues to focus on- nsa snooping, fukashima , etc, et al, on&on, yet conspiracy nutters need to find *common ground* by having everyone agree with them on wtc7 12 years laters.

for no fucking reason whatsoever.

It's a murder case, it's also the justification for the so-called war on terror, if these people aren't stopped and brought to justice they'll continue their crimes

do your family a favor and have a lot of booze for them when they get there.

so the US gov not only had to rig the building in secret without 1000s of people noticing the 1000s of holes being drilled and the 100-s of miles of wire, but also make sure that fire bounced off of another directly hit building, and then spread to WTC7 sufficiently to make it look like it was NOT actually a controlled demolition but a collapse of structure by fire

I mean the 2 main towers falling from a direct hit by fucking planes was not enough news so they undertake this incredibly complicated one-in-a-million chance of success commercial jet trick-shot where they bounce part of the jet and its debris and fire on to another building, hitting it just right, so as to cover the "controlled demolition" rig job and all this will amateur pilots with box cutter knives and a few hours flight training

oh come on LOL nobody can be that stupid or naive...

oh and what kind of demolition explosive is not heard by the 1000s of people standing around or in other buildings surrounding it? or what kind of demolition explosive does not blow out windows from the inside, in a closed building with every inch covered in glass...

this makes mission impossible seem like amateur hour by comparison

There are people who still believe the government's version of events? Wow, talk about gullible idiots...

Files relating to numerous federal investigations had been housed in 7 World Trade Center. The files for thousands of Securities and Exchange cases were destroyed, though the SEC has said most of the important files were backed up or could be reconstructed. Salomon Brothers, a subsidiary of Citigroup, lost files later requested by the SEC concerning its connection with the WorldCom scandal. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission estimated over 10,000 of its cases were affected. Investigative files in the Secret Service's largest field office were also lost in the collapse, with one Secret Service agent saying, "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTC_7

Well, fuck, if it is on wiki it must be true

Who ever built Building number 7 did a shitty job.

Really?

Ok PEOPLE, one more attempt to set the record straight though I am almost certain it won't make a bit of difference.

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."


So let's take your interpretation that "pull it" means "blow it up".. ok if someone on the internet says that those two phrases mean the same thing then it must be true.. so here is the quote again with the appropriate substitution.


"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just blow it up.' And they made that decision to blow and then we watched the building collapse."

Does that make sense at all???

Now let's go with the Silverstein company explanation that "it" refers to the the contingent of firefighters working in and around the building. So once again let's replace these phrases and see what it looks like


"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull the contingent of firefighters.' And they made that decision to pull the group of firefighters and then we watched the building collapse."


Which statement makes more sense to you??


For those of you that still think WTC7 was only lightly damaged..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk5o-zmvMiM


Now about the whole PNAC New Pearl Harbor nonsense..

PNAC stands for Project For A New American Century - it is just a think tank like many others, and what you guys don't get is that government doesn't exist in a vacuum, there were many of us that do contract work for the government that were affected and totally aware of this think tank and it's philosophy.

In the late 90s there were two schools of thought on how much America should spend on it's defenses given the decline of it's cold war adversary the Soviet Union. The first proposal sanctioned by PNAC and most of the Republican hawks was to maintain the same defense spending threshold in to allow America to project power and dominance throughout the world. The other (more realistic) approach was to use some of the peace dividend to fund social security, pay off the debt, and spend just enough on defense in order to have the capability to fight two limited wars simultaneously. The latter won out and was adopted as policy.

These right wing think tanks were not advocating creating a new pearl harbor, they were trying to justify keeping defense spending at cold war levels with the absence of an arms race or a cataclysmic event.

now that's how a nutter does it!

make sense of one conspiracy by casually introducing in another one no one's ever mentioned.

all the while asking you if your well-thought out and researched view makes sense.


classic.

So govt files were stored there.

Which is evidence of what ?

So you are saying that the govt hatched a multi plane plot to destroy the twin towers and the pentagon so that some files in a low security building could be destroyed ?

Lets just imagine the meeting where this plot was hatched. (obviously they were sitting around a bubbling cauldron of chickens blood, waiting for the baby meat to cook.)

Plotter 1 : "So we need to get rid of this pesky Employment Opportunities Commission evidence. Why don't we break in at night and torch the place ?".

Plotter 2 : "Nah - that's far too risky. I have a better idea, lets create the largest most complex conspiracy ever known. All we need is four jet air craft packed with fuel and passengers and enough religious fanatics to hijack them. It will take years of planning, the complete secrecy of thousands of people, and mass murder on a huge scale. We will cause a huge quantum shift in the geo-political landscape, multiple wars, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents around the world, and if we are lucky nuclear Armageddon. What d'ya think to my brilliant plan ?"

To be honest you can really see why they did it. Every other option was far to risky.

And fuck me that's a strong case you have there for the "smoking gun evidence that had to be eliminated being stored in WTC7" theory; is that it ? "one secret service agent said".

Which secret agent ? To who ? Jeez. My 9 year old makes up more convincing stories.

The correct substitution would be to add the word 'down' after the words 'pull it'

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it down.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."


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Date: January 9, 1996
TO: Vancouver City Council
FROM: City Building Inspector
SUBJECT: Demolition of Dangerous Building
City staff have contacted the property owner by phone to request that he obtain a demolition permit and pull down and demolish the building, however, the owner has demonstrated no desire to cooperate.

http://199.175.219.1/ctyclerk/cclerk/960116/a5.htm


Sept. 24, '98
Four executive members of the Atebubu youth association (AYA) have been arrested by the police
over the demolition of a building which was being rehabilitated for use as the office of the Atebubu town council.
Members of the association allegedly went on rampage and pulled down the building
because, according to them "as a swish building, it was not fit to be used as a town council office."
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePag...el.php?ID=4018


The next house erected in Seneca was a concrete stone building, put up by Downing & Stewart;
the latter soon after selling to A. M. Smith. Downing & Smith sold to L. J. McGowan,
who finally pulled down the building and erected the substantial stone structure in which Hazard & Sons now do business.
http://www.kancoll.org/books/cutler/...aha-co-p4.html

Gravity usually cause freefall. At earth.

If there's no resistance underneath, but WTC7 would have had resistance, this is why 1000's of Architects and Engineers are on the case

What he said.

is this nutter shit too !!!!

911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB (FORMER FBI CHIEF SAYS)



CBS Report On 9/11: Ground Level Explosion Caused WTC To Collapse




9/11 FireFighters - THREE Explosions After Plane Hit WTC



9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying

....and yet you want to give that same government control over your money, your healthcare, your education, the way you do business, etc, etc, etc, etc..... (i.e. most aspects of your life), and trust them to do all those things better than you can, without being self serving, corrupt, incompetent, having hidden agendas, etc....



Interesting dichotomy ....







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libertarians never miss an opportunity to spout their *anti-everthing and everyone not a libertarian* rhetoric.

The conspiracy is simple. The Gubment new it was going to happen and let it happen. Thats it. they did not blow shit up.

Did it before and got away with it then did it again and will repeat it at least once more in the future.