Right?


:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap

Not many Adult Forums left.

The Pond vanished completely.

The older forum of Damage X closed down. (You used to post there, any ideas why he closed it?)...

And besides GFY, I can't think of any other forum that is truly active... (Besides the Secret Black Hat one managed by that Swedish-Romanian Marcel a.k.a Damaged-X, original owner of jonsvids dot com)...

Just sayin...

PM me. I'm not sure if I can say why publicly.. Nothing bad, just kinda funny :upsidedow

Plus I don't think he thinks it's worth getting back online since it was kind of dead anyways..

Towards the end, I was talking to myself like Paul Markham.

Not fast enough in my opinion. Why people were still hanging around there after Lord Whathisfuck shafted them on affiliate payments and Pond Points is beyond me. Sleazybear gave me the banhammer right on the ole noggin for having said a few words about that.

I'm curious if Urbi is ever going to return to tell us if the Butcher's check cleared and perhaps explain the reason for not giving him his name and address to expedite the matter.

its still up (and for sale LOL!)
I've love to see it go down though, AGA owes me 2k

you should sue him long time ago :thumbsup

In my day, if we wanted to cash a check, we had to walk ten miles to the bank ..... without shoes ..... in a blizzard ..... uphill ..... while angry rabid squirrels tried to steal our nuts ..............

Urbi, seriously ... how long does it take cash a check?

It take half month, but that`s not the problem...problem is if the check is not cleared...

BTW I`ve got PP from The Butcher yesterday, so after 4 months and this GFY pressure I`ve got paid! And I`ve got good lesson...

So this means it's all cleared up now, right?

The power of gfy!

He now sent instant Paypal payment

You say 4 months and GFY pressure resolved this, but why didn't you just give him your name and address and have it resolved sooner?

:))) that`s his words... truth is, that he had all these infos from me from the day ONE...I have it in email comminication..

Until you prove that, it's just your words against his words.

You are out right a liar and full of shit. Every time I asked you for a name and address to mail you a check you refused to give it to me. Also the first wire was refused because the bank requires the recipients name and address.

Stop the games, I sent you an echeck last week, when I loaded my new pp I went ahead and sent you another $900 instant payment on Tuesday night and emailed you to say I am trying to be nice to you get you the money now instead of you waiting for the echeck to clear. I am not going to waste my time explaining over and over again to you or anyone else here that had you given me your name and address we would not be discussing this past the first week of the deal. Webmasterland.com is paid for in full and end of story.


You want proof, here is some of the recent email convo, how many times did I ask you for your name and address to pay you?


" --------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Urban <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: you want to fix this
To: NFVLTD <[email protected]>


Problem is that I dont believe you after three months of "next week bro"... it`s not my fault that you was not able to pay for domain in 3 months. You had a lot of time to solve it.

You dont do bad checks? Like the first one echeck from Paypal.. be man and face it now:)


2013/11/27 NFVLTD <[email protected]>

I don't write bad checks, I don't use paypal any more.

How hard is it to solve this?




On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 3:50 PM, David Urban <[email protected]> wrote:

Ok Dave, so let`s try it this way:) pay me today with PP otherwise I`ll try it legal way... I have nothing to lose :)

You have also chance to return this domain back if you don`t want to pay.

And please dont ask again for cheque address, I`m not going to wait one month for bad check to arrive:)


2013/11/27 David Urban <[email protected]>

Dave, you dont read my emails? I gave you all the info needed for a wire and all other international wires going well...only yours not.

How can I be sure, that your paper cheque will be cleared? Why you dont use paypal?


2013/11/27 NFVLTD <[email protected]>

I keep asking you for a name and address for the check. I already did a wire, it failed because they require the address of the receiving party. Just give me the name and address for the check lets finish this.


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:52 PM, David Urban <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave, how hard is to send money via wire or Paypal?

Well, I`ve called last time my bank, and wire from you haven`t reached my bank, so that was NOT my fault.

Please go trough your emails, how many times you promissed payment:) and it still was not made! Even 3 months after deal! How I can be sure, that your check will be cleared and it will not coste me fee for uncleared checks?




2013/11/27 NFVLTD <[email protected]>

I have offered and do so now again to pay you, I wills end you a check drawn in US Dollars, all I need is a name to put on the thing and an address to send it to. Last time it cost me to wire you and it bounced.

How hard is it to give me a name and address for a check.

Peace


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:22 PM, David Urban <[email protected]> wrote:

You can wire or Paypal me. I dont see any reasonable point why you can`t use these services.

After 3 months of your "next week bro" I really don`t believe that your cheque will be cleared and I`m NOT going to pay for this (as banks charge for uncleared cheques). Maybe I`m naive, that I`ve transfered domain to you before I`ve got money, but I`m not stupid to get screwed two times lol :)

David


2013/11/27 NFVLTD <[email protected]>

Give me a name and address for the check mate

Simple

Dave"


I am not coming back to post here, you made this into a mess by not providing me a name and addy in the first place, you had your 15 minutes of glory, I have work to do.

All this drama because Urbi was too rigid about the manner in which he wanted to be paid.

This first post was just loaded with so many unsubstantiated claims that I never could take it seriously.

Why not comming back here? Worry more frauds will be exposed? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

all this said I have a six letter domain seysha.com that I am interested in selling...anyone wanna make a reasonable offer?

I have to react.

Lie no.1
"I did buy webmasterland, the echeck was not canceled by me, it was because PP discovered I was using the account for adult transactions.

email from PayPal regarding stopped echeck...

"An eCheck payment from vachagan altounian ([email protected]) could not be processed from the sender's bank. Please do not ship any items. We have canceled this transaction and advise that you contact the sender to make new payment arrangements.

Please contact vachagan altounian regarding this payment."


Lie no.2
I did initiate a wire to the seller, it failed. For the simple reason that the bank requires the name and address of the recipient."


Failture of wire cause of missing name and address of the recipient is pure lie. I provided all the information (name, address, city, zip, country) in email following email with wire info (bank name, account name, account number, swift). I have all emails stored for legal act if necessary.



Lie no.3

"I have been asking the seller (OP) for his name and address over and over again with no result."

He already had all my info. Maybe he did not want to read email, I don`t know.


Lie no.4
"I have been in communication all along, and even emailed him yesterday before he started all the drama. Asking him for a name and address to mail a certified check to him by registered mail. Of course I got no co-operation from him."

Another lie. He communicate only when I sent him email "where is my money?" and have always some nice excuse as described a bit lower here.

He asked me for name and address (both he already have - the same for wire) And I`ve asked him for certified check because it means that bank will immediately
take his money in value on the check but he played dumb and repeated to me that he will send it in certified mail... I`ve explained to him the difference between standard and certified cheque but it was left without notice by him.. one think is what this guy wrote and secon what he realy doing...and its huge difference in my experience.


Lie no.5
"He refuses to provide the name and address for a check, I will not re-wire him with the information he provided me, it is not going to go through. The bank requires an address for the person you send a wire to. This already cost me money."

Still the same song...


In the mean time...

All this happend on 8/2 (today is 11/28) and I still dont have money for this deal.


in between these dates the only replies from TheButcher on my emails "when you will send money?" was for example "It was stopped yesterday and a new wore initiated brotha" "Don;t worry about the wire fee, let's get it resolved and move on to your other domains brotha" "I am trying to fix this like asap mate hang in there" "I have loaded paypal waiting for itr to show as available, to send direct payment mate this bank shit is a joke." "yes set up a new bank account to avoid this problems, will fix it any day brotha" "i will send you pp today mate" "The guy who was going to send me the pp let me down, working on it mate."
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etc etc all the same crap around.

How can I proove, that I mailed him my details right after domain transfer and after he stopped paypal echeck? Do you think, that I didnt want to get paid? :-D

You must be Butcher`s friend or second nickname .)))

Bottom line was that I transferred domain to the Butcher and he didnt pay me and if I dont start this gfy pressure, I`m pretty sure, I have no money till today.. how long can take to setup paypal transfer? One minute? One week? One month? One year? I dont know how long it take you both, but for me its question of 5 minutes.

Like I said, I post in his forum and we did a little business transaction recently. He paid me no problem.

1) You weren't flexible with how you were to be paid.

It backfired.

2) You came here and immediately lied about starting legal action and that Butcher was publicly bragging about defrauding people.

It backfired.

3) In the end, it's your word against his, no matter who produces what emails or other so-called "proofs".

Draw.

4) You got your money.

Success. You win.

However, you established your eagerness to spread lies about someone in an attempt to extract money owed that you could have already been paid if not for your own stubborness.

It backfired.

5) You got some GFY veterans and trolls and veteran trolls to chime in.

Yay.

Like I said, I post in his forum and we did a little business transaction recently. He paid me no problem.





1) You weren't flexible with how you were to be paid.

:)) not true. He make a echeck - not cleared out by his fault. He can make instant paypal - he didnt want to... he could send a wire (he had all my infos exept penis size :)) he told that my bank rejected it but it`s not true (I called my bank). Than he stop communicate and when I asked him to pay, it was "next week bro".
Maybe you can better read what I wrote before.

It backfired.

2) You came here and immediately lied about starting legal action and that Butcher was publicly bragging about defrauding people.

I didnt lie, I`ve contacted Canadian embassy, how to make steps..

It backfired.

3) In the end, it's your word against his, no matter who produces what emails or other so-called "proofs".

Lol you are stupid or cant read:) do you think that I havent done anything to get paid asap? Do you think that it was pleasure for me to send 4 months of emails to him? Wake up please :))

Draw.

4) You got your money.

Yes, here I agree with you.

Success. You win.

However, you established your eagerness to spread lies about someone in an attempt to extract money owed that you could have already been paid if not for your own stubborness.

No, I just described my business with him. Also I found many threads where people complaining about him too... so I was not the only one.

It backfired.

5) You got some GFY veterans and trolls and veteran trolls to chime in.

You really dont have better things to do than put yourself into things that dont touch you? :))

Yay

Let me get this straight...

You went out of your way to pay for a domain name, with the method you originally agreed on, while you held on to a domain, which until paid for, was still his?

You make a hell of a lot of sense.

You're FINALLY doing what you said you'd do, you didn't go out of your way for anything, and instead, by the sounds of it did nothing but cause a headache for the seller.

No, domain name was his right after we made a deal and when he sent me echeck which was not cleared (after few days). So he own domain whole time, but I got money yesterday after 4 months and all this on gfy.

Yes that`s true, to be honest, I didnt expect that he will ever pay me so I use to live with it...but it was nice surprise, that I got paid now:)

I know. That's what I said, I think something got lost in translation with my sarcasm.

I know you didn't have it in your possession.

Sorry, english is not my native language..:)

Escrow.com and a $40 dollar fee could have saved you a huge headache.

All you need to mention is escrow.com and scammers will disappear.

That`s very true! Next time escrow only.

You immediately started this topic with an untruth about Butcher publicly bragging about defrauding people. Immediately as in your 1st post with no evidence to support these claims. Riling up the natives here with unsubstantiated claims about someone who already has a reputation is an easy way to get the public on your side. Using complaints in old threads is a shitty excuse for your poor choice of words.

You say you gave him your Infos as if everything you say on the Internets is true. Again, your word against his.

Dramantics like these are going to earn you your own reputation as someone who is a headache to do business with.

it was in another part of the forum. you don't think he should have started a thread?

One moment. Both guys are called Dave?

Is this some kind of Dave vs Dave?

Quite confusing...

Makes me remember of that BOSS of CAMS, also called Dave.

Not to be confused with the other CAM idiot living in the desert. I also like "Barry" White...

Just sayin...

I tried getting this dude domain back for him in exchange for 10%.
He sent an echeck via PayPal and it didn't clear and he already sent the domain.

He said if I collected the cash for this person it would be money laundering? LOL

Just as openly supporting known scammers will diminish yours. Just my :2 cents:

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I do think Urbi should have started this thread. About 8 - 10 weeks ago. With a little more tact.

oh well.. you got something against thebutcher?

why do you keep bumping this?

I have yet to do anything for The Butcher other than give him the benefit of the doubt in this particular situation.

I do support resolution to conflicts without creating unnecessary spectacles attracting trolls like you with 2 cents burning holes in their pockets.

Unlike other topics about politics, religion, etc that people waste all day arguing in, giving someone a fair trial is something worth fighting for.