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Who is better Manning or Brady?

11-24-2013, 08:25 PM

Near the start of the 4th quarter of tonights game - Brady had triple the yards and passer rating - although Manning made up some ground late.

Not a Pats fan but Brady crushed Manning tonight - if not for all the early turnovers this game would have been very lopsided. Great game though

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11-24-2013, 08:26 PM

they are both great brady did have a much better night tho

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11-24-2013, 08:30 PM

How do you run for almost 300 yards and lose?
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11-24-2013, 08:37 PM

How do you lose? You face an opponent like Tom Brady - his clutch drives and will to win has always just been better than Manning.

Fun to see two of the all time greats go toe to toe though.

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11-24-2013, 09:30 PM

bradley manning ?
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11-24-2013, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by L-Pink

How do you run for almost 300 yards and lose?

The other team throws the ball 50 times and scores 4 TDs. Belichick's game plan was to take away what Denver does best, Peyton Manning passing, allowed Denver to run. And as is usual, Belichick wins.

He's the best coach in all pro sports. Belichick could have taken any number of QB's and had the same success as he's had with Brady. Not saying Brady isn't very good, but the Patriots success has much more to do with Belichick than Brady.

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11-24-2013, 09:50 PM

They have both been Hall of Fame players and both excelled at different times. Brady has had the better supporting cast over the years and I think Manning has more talent. But can you go wrong with either guy leading your team...

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11-24-2013, 10:09 PM

good point Mutt - would be interesting to see what Belichick could do with a Manning..or an RG3 for that matter

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11-24-2013, 10:37 PM

Manning blew tonight
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11-25-2013, 01:11 AM

one game doesn't say much, unless it's the Superbowl

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11-25-2013, 01:27 AM

I think they are both great. It is hard to say which is better. Manning might be the more accurate pure passer, but they both are fantastic quarterbacks (and it pains me to say that because I hate the Pats).

With football it is all about your supporting cast and over the years Brady has just had a better one. Had Manning had the defense that Brady did he likely would have more than one Super Bowl ring as well.
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11-25-2013, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Mutt

The other team throws the ball 50 times and scores 4 TDs. Belichick's game plan was to take away what Denver does best, Peyton Manning passing, allowed Denver to run. And as is usual, Belichick wins.

He's the best coach in all pro sports. Belichick could have taken any number of QB's and had the same success as he's had with Brady. Not saying Brady isn't very good, but the Patriots success has much more to do with Belichick than Brady.

As great as Bellechick is...wtf?

Even the New England Patriots captains thought Bill Belichick’s decision to take the wind instead of the ball in overtime was ridiculous.

After New England’s crazy overtime win, Logan Mankins told Comcast SportsNet Live that he and the other captains were confused by Belichick’s decision to kick off to Peyton Manning in order for New England to have the wind at their backs.

“We all looked at each like he was crazy — then we all asked again and again and again. And we just wanted to make sure we were doing exactly what he wanted.”

Belichick’s overtime gamble came 11 years to the day that Detroit Lions coach Marty Mornhinweg declined the opening kickoff in overtime to play to the wind. Mornhinweg became a national laughingstock and lost his job two monts later. Obviously, Belichick had more going for decision than Mornhinweg. He’s in no danger of losing his job, his decision was more “mad genius” than “foolish” and an opening field goal by Denver would have still allowed New England to possess the ball. Belichick’s only gamble was that the Broncos wouldn’t score a touchdown. He won the bet. But was it the smart one?

Unlike his fourth-and-2 gamble gamble against Manning three years ago, the overtime gambit was a risk that appeared to ignore who was lining up under center. Fourth-and-2 respected the fact that Manning with a long field was just as dangerous as Manning with a short one. Kicking off failed to respect Manning’s ability to march Denver down the field for the game-winning touchdown. The wind hadn’t been as big a factor on Sunday as it was in that Mornhinweg game — both teams were able to move the ball with the wind at their faces. Had the Broncos scored, Belichick would have been justifiably roasted for the call. The risk outweighed the reward.

None of it matters now, of course. The Pats stopped Denver and went on to win the game a few possessions later.

“It was a great call because we won,” Rob Gronkowski told WEEI after the game.

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11-25-2013, 07:40 AM

It was a tie game with 2 minutes left and special teams blew it. Stats don't mean much it is who wins the game and if that ball did not hit him in the leg it probably would have been a tie game or maybe Denver winning by 3

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11-25-2013, 07:53 AM

Another Patriots game, another game with Brady crying to the refs.
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11-25-2013, 08:17 AM

broncos were averaging 7 yards per carry running the ball going into the ot, so their ot strategy is to have manning throw long. makes sense.

oh, and tom brady is the better qb.
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11-25-2013, 08:31 AM

dumb question, but i thought it was the first to score in OT won the game. the packers game they each got a field goal. pats hit the field goal and win. explain?
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11-25-2013, 08:58 AM

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dumb question, but i thought it was the first to score in OT won the game. the packers game they each got a field goal. pats hit the field goal and win. explain?

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11-25-2013, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

broncos were averaging 7 yards per carry running the ball going into the ot, so their ot strategy is to have manning throw long. makes sense.

oh, and tom brady is the better qb.

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11-25-2013, 09:01 AM

basically they wanted to get rid of the coin toss playing such a big role - so you cant just get the coin toss then win with a field goal - which was really lame - now you have to score a TD to win (on the first possession) OR a field goal by either team will win (once both teams have possessed the ball)

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11-25-2013, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by SuckOnThis

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Drew Brees 350
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Dan Marino 61,361
John Elway 51,475
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Drew Brees 48,288
Tom Brady 47,358

what about when it comes to all out will to win - especially in a superbowl...

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Playoff Comebacks: 2006 (1)
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11-25-2013, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by adendreams

what about when it comes to all out will to win - especially in a superbowl...

Here is the biggest stat you need to know about Peyton Manning:
Playoff Comebacks: 2006 (1)
Playoff Game-Winning Drives: 2006 (1)

Well if thats all you want to go by then Eli is a better QB than Brady since he's beaten Brady in 2 Super Bowls.
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11-25-2013, 09:14 AM

Playoff record

Manning: 9-11

Brady: 17-7

will to win...ability to just carry his team to unlikely playoff wins...for 2 of the greatest of all time...this is the stat that jumps out at me the most

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11-25-2013, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by SuckOnThis

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11-25-2013, 09:39 AM

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records are cool but it's a scoreboard, not a record board!

Yea yea yea....who got fined for cheating again?
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11-25-2013, 09:43 AM

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Yea yea yea....who got fined for cheating again?

who got fined for getting caught cheating eh....

here's a question-

you get to put together your dream superbowl team to compete for 1 bazillion dollars.

it's all or nothing, 1 shot, must win, no do-overs.

do you pick manning or brady?

you gotta pick brady!

as hard a decision as that is, he's proven to win superbowls, that's what, imo, makes him the better qb.

it's all about that trophy.
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11-25-2013, 09:54 AM

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who got fined for getting caught cheating eh....

here's a question-

you get to put together your dream superbowl team to compete for 1 bazillion dollars.

it's all or nothing, 1 shot, must win, no do-overs.

do you pick manning or brady?

you gotta pick brady!

as hard a decision as that is, he's proven to win superbowls, that's what, imo, makes him the better qb.

it's all about that trophy.

Eli vs Brady in Super Bowls 2-0

Your logic then you should pick Eli. I would go with Manning.
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11-25-2013, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by SuckOnThis

Eli vs Brady in Super Bowls 2-0

Your logic then you should pick Eli. I would go with Manning.

but this isn't about eli, of course i'd pick eli in that scenario. i was thinking about that last night. his brother is the face of football but he's the one with 2 rings.
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11-25-2013, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

but this isn't about eli, of course i'd pick eli in that scenario. i was thinking about that last night. his brother is the face of football but he's the one with 2 rings.

if you would pick Eli over Peyton then you don't belong in this conversation.

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11-25-2013, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

but this isn't about eli, of course i'd pick eli in that scenario. i was thinking about that last night. his brother is the face of football but he's the one with 2 rings.

Doug Williams has a SB ring, Marino has none. You saying Williams is a better QB?

Denver had three huge factors working against them last night, weather, injuries, and they were being coached by their defensive coordinator. Even with all that they still almost pulled it out. Take away any one of those factors and Denver wins.
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11-25-2013, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

records are cool but it's a scoreboard, not a record board!

yeah because defence is totally up to the quarterback...

Joe Montana lead the league in touchdowns and tackles one year didn't he?

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11-25-2013, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by adendreams

if you would pick Eli over Peyton then you don't belong in this conversation.

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11-25-2013, 10:31 AM

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Doug Williams has a SB ring, Marino has none. You saying Williams is a better QB?

Denver had three huge factors working against them last night, weather, injuries, and they were being coached by their defensive coordinator. Even with all that they still almost pulled it out. Take away any one of those factors and Denver wins.

Seriously? You think that because the Pats fumbled and turned over all those balls (one thanks to a helmet on helmet hit that should have been called) that Denver earned that lead?

Take away those Pats turnovers and we are looking at a blowout.

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11-25-2013, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by SuckOnThis

Doug Williams has a SB ring, Marino has none. You saying Williams is a better QB?

when did i say that? oh, i know. never. i said i'd pick eli over brady in a bazillion dollar dream super bowl.
no need to stretch it any further than that, i'm not suggesting rocket science here.

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yeah because defence is totally up to the quarterback...

Joe Montana lead the league in touchdowns and tackles one year didn't he?

wtf. defenses don't win championships, this is 2013 nfl.
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11-25-2013, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by adendreams

Seriously? You think that because the Pats fumbled and turned over all those balls (one thanks to a helmet on helmet hit that should have been called) that Denver earned that lead?

Take away those Pats turnovers and we are looking at a blowout.

The same could be said for the Denver turnovers, without the 4 Denver turnovers it would have been a blowout. And don't even get me started on fouls that werent called, one in which gave NE a touchdown.
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11-25-2013, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

when did i say that? oh, i know. never. i said i'd pick eli over brady in a bazillion dollar dream super bowl.
no need to stretch it any further than that, i'm not suggesting rocket science here.

Your argument is all that matters is SB rings, so yea, you did say that.
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11-25-2013, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by SuckOnThis

Your argument is all that matters is SB rings, so yea, you did say that.

wow, you got me on some bizarre technicality in the bullshitting game of who's the better qb

now what?
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11-25-2013, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by adendreams

basically they wanted to get rid of the coin toss playing such a big role - so you cant just get the coin toss then win with a field goal - which was really lame - now you have to score a TD to win (on the first possession) OR a field goal by either team will win (once both teams have possessed the ball)

haha wow thanks!

its like a hybrid of college and old nfl i guess. why not just go pure college style. would be exciting i would think
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11-25-2013, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by SuckOnThis

MOST CAREER VICTORIES BY A QB
Brett Favre 186
Peyton Manning 163
John Elway 148
Dan Marino 147
Tom Brady 143

MOST CAREER PASSING TDS
Brett Favre 508
Peyton Manning 470
Dan Marino 420
Drew Brees 350
Tom Brady 348

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Brett Favre 71,838
Peyton Manning 63,059
Dan Marino 61,361
John Elway 51,475
Warren Moon 49,325
Drew Brees 48,288
Tom Brady 47,358

peyton has played in and/or started a hell of a lot more games than brady.
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11-25-2013, 04:20 PM

Super Bowl record:
Brady 3-2
Manning 1-1
Those are world championships. There's the stat that should count as to who is the better QB.

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11-25-2013, 04:25 PM

Both are hall of famers but I'd rather have Manning the field general.

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11-25-2013, 04:25 PM

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11-25-2013, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by DigitalDesire

Super Bowl record:
Brady 3-2
Manning 1-1
Those are world championships. There's the stat that should count as to who is the better QB.

I have never really counted super bowl wins as a stat that should matter much. Sure, if you get to the big game and perform well it does show that you can do well under pressure, but football is very much a team game. For years Brady had a great defense that carried their team while Manning had a team that had a terrible defense and they had to outscore the opponents.

There are so many variables that go into a game that are beyond the control of the QB.

Let me ask you this: Would you say Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than Dan Marino? If Super Bowl wins is the only stat that matter then you would have to say yes.
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11-25-2013, 05:07 PM

If you measured it by Superbowl rings, then Brady would be better.

But I'd call them even, because Brady had a lot of help from an awesome O Line and great defense. I'm talking about their great run a few years ago.

When Manning was good, it was mostly because he did the heavy lifting, and he has an ability to read defenses and make changes before the snap that is second to none.

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11-25-2013, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by bronco67

If you measured it by Superbowl rings, then Brady would be better.

But I'd call them even, because Brady had a lot of help from an awesome O Line and great defense. I'm talking about their great run a few years ago.

When Manning was good, it was mostly because he did the heavy lifting, and he has an ability to read defenses and make changes before the snap that is second to none.

he does have an incredible ability to read defenses - not sure why his playoff record isnt better though - I guess if he had played for NE under Bellichick all this time he would be the better QB...but as it stands Brady has him by a nose

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11-25-2013, 05:34 PM

Peyton is a better regular season quarterback and Brady is a better quarterback in the playoffs when it counts.
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11-25-2013, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by adendreams

he does have an incredible ability to read defenses - not sure why his playoff record isnt better though - I guess if he had played for NE under Bellichick all this time he would be the better QB...but as it stands Brady has him by a nose

yes, he doesn't have the playoff stats, but he wasn't playing with the Patriots. Tony Dungy is no Bill Belichick.
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11-25-2013, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by kane

Would you say Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than Dan Marino? If Super Bowl wins is the only stat that matter then you would have to say yes.

That sums it up.

I'm a lifelong Eagles fan. When I think of Tom Brady or Manning, it makes me realize how inadequate a QB Donovan McNab was. He was good, but Brady and Manning are on another tier.

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11-25-2013, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by bronco67

That sums it up.

I'm a lifelong Eagles fan. When I think of Tom Brady or Manning, it makes me realize how inadequate a QB Donovan McNab was. He was good, but Brady and Manning are on another tier.

Eagles fan too - went to high school with Randall Cunningham. I was HUGE fan when he played in Philly and ever since have loved the Eagles

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11-25-2013, 07:30 PM

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Eagles fan too - went to high school with Randall Cunningham. I was HUGE fan when he played in Philly and ever since have loved the Eagles

I grew up in South Jersey, which is basically Eagles Country. And I still have the accent that my wife makes fun of all the time.
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11-25-2013, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by bronco67

I grew up in South Jersey, which is basically Eagles Country. And I still have the accent that my wife makes fun of all the time.

Im also a big Oregon Duck fan so Im a Chip Kelly fan. I'd have to say one of the top 10 college coaches of all time

The Eagles will have a Super Bowl trip in the next few years mark my words

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