NRA Sues San Francisco Over Ammo Law

[Rochard]

Seems the NRA filed a lawsuit against San Fran because they want clips that can hold more than ten rounds?

http://news.kron4.com/news/nra-sues-...over-ammo-law/

Why the big desire to have bigger clips?

[iSpyCams]

For one thing shooting is fun and reloading isn't.

For another you might not always be defending your home against one or two intruders.

[sandman!]

not a surprise

[atom]

Good for the NRA.

[2MuchMark]

Fuck the NRA and that prick Wayne Lapierre. Child-killing bastards.

[PornoMonster]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

For one thing shooting is fun and reloading isn't.

For another you might not always be defending your home against one or two intruders.

Cops should only have 10 rounds also!!!

Oh Wait..... They normally shoot more than 10 rounds into someone now...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Cops should only have 10 rounds also!!!

Oh Wait..... They normally shoot more than 10 rounds into someone now...

Well that would cut down on shooting at mini vans full of kids huh?

[kane]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Seems the NRA filed a lawsuit against San Fran because they want clips that can hold more than ten rounds?

http://news.kron4.com/news/nra-sues-...over-ammo-law/

Why the big desire to have bigger clips?

The bigger your clip, the bigger your dick.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

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[Rochard]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

That was great....

I need a gun so I can feel safe enjoying my favorite things like....
- Driving in the hood
- Eating skittles
- Dancing in the rain
- Being anywhere in Florida


Good stuff.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by **********

Fuck the NRA and that prick Wayne Lapierre. Child-killing bastards.

I'm an NRA member, have been for more than 20 years. I have yet to hear, see, or read anything about killing children on their website or in any of the literature they send me.

Is that just in Canada? Do Canadian members have to kill children? Is there a quota? Or are you just showing zealot like intolerance of those with opinions and interests different than yours?

.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by kane

The bigger your clip, the bigger your dick.

"The lawsuit was filed Tuesday in response to the recently approved measure. The new law expands an existing ban on sales of large-capacity gun magazines And Requires Owners Who Have Those Magazines To Turn Them Over To Police Within 90 Days Starting Next Month."

You, of all people are for a local law that requires confiscation of privately owned property? The reason the NRA is so adamant about gun laws is because once legislation like this gets a foothold it will never stop. More and more will get taken.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Or are you just showing zealot like intolerance of those with opinions and interests different than yours?

.

Chicken dinner!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I'm an NRA member, have been for more than 20 years. I have yet to hear, see, or read anything about killing children on their website or in any of the literature they send me.

Is that just in Canada? Do Canadian members have to kill children? Is there a quota? Or are you just showing zealot like intolerance of those with opinions and interests different than yours?

.

Prince doesn't let facts get in the way of a good story.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

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[L-Pink]

So ADJ, kids being shot by parents, criminals, etc means the NRA are child killers? Wow …..

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

So ADJ, kids being shot by parents, criminals, etc means the NRA are child killers? Wow ?..

NRA lobbying enables gun violence...

In a nation armed with more than a quarter of a billion privately owned firearms, the NRA is correct to assert that determined outlaws will often find a way to get their hands on guns. The problem is that the NRA is the foremost enabler of many of those outlaws.

We can?t link the NRA directly to the hideous acts of alleged Aurora gunman James Holmes, 24, or to any one of the nation?s 9,000 to 10,000 annual gun murders and 338,000 rapes, robberies and other non-fatal assaults, or to the actions of the ?deranged madmen? whom the NRA loves to demonize.

What we can say with absolute certainty is that where there are loopholes in gun laws, laws that make it more difficult to get thugs off the streets and laws that endanger the lives of police and ordinary citizens alike, you will invariably find the fingerprints of the NRA.

Wayne LaPierre, the NRA?s CEO and public face, may call his group ?one of the largest law enforcement organizations in the country,? but under his leadership the NRA ? with a 2010 budget of more than $240 million ? has become the nation?s de facto lobby for street criminals, criminal gun dealers and an industry that reaps a sizable percentage of its income from criminal gun use. The NRA, says Pittsburgh police detective Joseph Bielevicz, ?takes every chance it gets to stymie even reasonable efforts to combat gun violence.?

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[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

NRA lobbying enables gun violence...
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The NRA exists for one reason, it's members support it for that one reason and that is to keep Federal gun laws as is. No reductions from current regulations. That is not enabling gun violence.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I'm an NRA member, have been for more than 20 years. I have yet to hear, see, or read anything about killing children on their website or in any of the literature they send me.

Is that just in Canada? Do Canadian members have to kill children? Is there a quota? Or are you just showing zealot like intolerance of those with opinions and interests different than yours?

.

You should read about the history of the NRA.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The NRA exists for one reason, it's members support it for that one reason and that is to keep Federal gun laws as is. No reductions from current regulations. That is not enabling gun violence.

Tell it to the victims of gun violence...

The NRA leaders like to speak on behalf of law-abiding gun owners and they often argue that any infringement on gun owner's freedoms, including background checks or limits on the types of guns that can be purchased, are unfair burdens placed upon lawful gun owners.

However, the NRA's objections may stem in part from the fact that many members of the NRA leadership are not in fact law-abiding gun owners.

The NRA board is populated with a smattering of criminals whose objection to gun laws might be rooted not in their concern for law-abiding gun owners, but their desire to protect fellow criminals. Let us meet the criminals in high places within the NRA's leadership:

Harlon Carter: Murderer, Former NRA President

At age 17, Harlon Carter shot and killed a 15-year old Latino boy named Ramon Casiano in Laredo, Texas.

Ted Nugent: Serial poacher and wannabee presidential assassin

Nobody screams "law-abiding" gun owner louder than NRA board member Ted Nugent.

In 2010, Nugent was charged with eleven misdemeanor poaching crimes in California for engaging in illegal hunting methods. He plea bargained and plead guilty to just two of the poaching charges. He also illegally poached a black bear in Alaska, violating the state's seasonal limit of only shooting one bear. Nugent was fined 10,000 dollars and placed on probation for killing the bear unlawfully.

When the motor city madman is not illegally shooting wildlife or singing misogynistic rock songs, he is making thinly veiled threats on the Democratic political leaders of America. One of his political rants while holding a gun in the air was "Obama, he's a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun."

Don Young, the Republican Congressman from Alaska sits on the NRA's Board of Directors. Although this may seem like a conflict of interest, it is apparently legal. However, this is certainly not the first time Mr. Young has been surrounded by questions regarding his ethical conduct.

He has successfully weathered several Congressional investigations regarding political corruption, but his most dangerous action may have been signing Schaeffer Cox's petition justifying the overthrow of the US government. Cox was sentenced to 25 years in prison for a plot that included conspiracy to commit murder, kidnapping, and arson. While Young was not implicated in the plot, he did sign Cox's seditious petition at an "open carry" event in Alaska.

David Keene: NRA President and road rage's poster father?

Well technically David Keene is not a criminal, but his son David Keene, Jr, who was hospitalized with "severe emotional problems" at least seven times in his youth, was sentenced to ten years in prison for attempted murder when he tried to shoot a fellow motorist in a road rage incident.

Although this crime is not the responsibility of Keene Sr. it does beg the question as to why pulling a gun was apparently his son's way of handling Beltway traffic problems. In Keene's desire to protect law abiding owners from the "bad guys" with guns, he apparently overlooked that his son might be one of the "bad guys" with a gun.

Of course, it is not the gun's fault, but clearly the parents should have taught the young man proper gun safety and highway etiquette. Therefore, we should not blame the President of the NRA. Well except for the fact that he is the parent, which then complicates that whole line of argument a bit.

Bob Brown: Accomplice to multiple murders?

Bob Brown's claim to fame was that he was once editor of Soldier of Fortune magazine. During the 1980s and 1990s over half a dozen contract murders were traced back to advertisements run in the Soldier of Fortune magazine.

The magazine ran ads for contract killers with titles like "GUN FOR HIRE: 37-year-old professional mercenary desires jobs. Vietnam veteran. Discrete and very private. Body guard, courier, and other special skills. All jobs considered." and the less subtle "?Married man looking for an expert in poisons to kill his wife.?

One family of a victim of a contract killing was awarded a 4.37 million dollar judgement against the magazine. Astonishingly, the magazine refused to accept any responsibility for the murders, claiming, ?We're as culpable as any newspaper which accepts an ad from a used-car salesman and doesn't go out to check the condition of his brakes.?

Magazine ads for contract killers don't kill people, people kill people apparently. Small wonder Bob Brown became a perfect fit for the NRA and the gun cult that refuses to accept any responsibility at all for any form of gun violence.

How the NRA Works to Rearm Criminals

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[PornoMonster]

SO ADJ,
they pass a law to turn in ALL guns...

Who is left holding them???

Criminals .......
and the Police who have been killing more and more people just because...

[kane]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

"The lawsuit was filed Tuesday in response to the recently approved measure. The new law expands an existing ban on sales of large-capacity gun magazines And Requires Owners Who Have Those Magazines To Turn Them Over To Police Within 90 Days Starting Next Month."

You, of all people are for a local law that requires confiscation of privately owned property? The reason the NRA is so adamant about gun laws is because once legislation like this gets a foothold it will never stop. More and more will get taken.

I'm for personal freedom of any kind. I feel people should be allowed to do whatever they want so long as what they are doing doesn't hurt other people.

I was making a joke because in my experience many people who feel they need a gun with a huge clip have other issues. It is the classic need to have something as a means to overcompensating for something else.

[AaronM]

You know how everybody bitches when they the adult industry is shown in a bad light by the media? They like to point out that the media doesn't know what they are talking about, used the wrong terminology, connects the biz to chid porn, etc...?

Well, here we have a thread full of people who apparently know fuck all about guns but feel the need to post their uneducated opinions anyway.

Not that they don't exist but personally, I've never seen a clip that holds more than 10 rounds. Even if they do exist, it's not on any sort of massive scale so there's no way it could really be an issue.

Basically what I'm saying here is that since most of you have no clue WTF you're talking about, perhaps you should STFU until you do.

[DAMNMAN]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Cops should only have 10 rounds also!!!

Oh Wait..... They normally shoot more than 10 rounds into someone now...

Ya, moms in minivans are always good for 1/2 a mag.

[tony286]

If someone cant protect theirs from some junkie coming thru a window with 10 shots its time for glasses.

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[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The NRA exists for one reason, it's members support it for that one reason and that is to keep Federal gun laws as is. No reductions from current regulations. That is not enabling gun violence.

The purpose of the NRA is to lobby for whatever combination of laws sells the most guns. Membership dollars are drop in the bucket.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I've never seen a clip that holds more than 10 rounds. Even if they do exist, it's not on any sort of massive scale so there's no way it could really be an issue.

That's sort of what I was thinking... It's been a while since I've seen a handgun that could hold ten bullets.

If so, what's the point of the lawsuit?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

The purpose of the NRA is to lobby for whatever combination of laws sells the most guns. Membership dollars are drop in the bucket.

The NRA claims to represent gun sports enthusiasts, but they are really more active in representing the interests of the assault weapons manufacturers.

The NRA lets a coalition of hunters, collectors and firearm enthusiasts takes the heat for incidents of gun violence, like the shooting massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, rather than the companies that manufacture and market assault weapons.

The gun industry and its corporate allies give tens of millions of dollar to the NRA annually.

"Today's NRA is a virtual subsidiary of the gun industry," said Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center. "While the NRA portrays itself as protecting the 'freedom' of individual gun owners, it's actually working to protect the freedom of the gun industry to manufacture and sell virtually any weapon or accessory."

There are two reasons for the industry support for the NRA. The first is that the organization develops and maintains a market for their products. The second, less direct function, is to absorb criticism in the event of PR crises for the gun industry.

It's possible that without the NRA, people would be protesting outside of Glock, SIG Sauer and Freedom Group ? the makers of the guns used in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre ? and dragging the CEOs in front of cameras and Congress. That is certainly what happened to tobacco executives when their products continued killing people.

Notoriously, tobacco executives even attempted to form their own version of the NRA in 1993, seeing the inherent benefit to the industry that such an effort would have. Philip Morris bankrolled the National Smokers Alliance, a group that never quite had the groundswell of support the industry wanted.

Notably, the tide has shifted slightly in the wake of Sandy Hook, with Cerberus Capital Management's decision to sell Freedom Group, the company that makes the Bushmaster rifle.

But if history is any indication, the NRA will be front and center of the new gun control debate, while gun manufacturers remain safely out of the spotlight.

From the non-partisan FactCheck.org:

Wayne LaPierre Falsely Claims "All" The NRA's Money Comes From Small Donors

The reality is that under LaPierre's leadership, the NRA has built extensive financial ties to the gun industry and other corporations. These arrangements have netted the NRA tens of millions dollars according to a recent Bloomberg News account and the gun companies funneling cash into the NRA's coffers have greatly benefited from the NRA's lobbying efforts. One former president of the NRA credited NRA-backed legislation that limited the legal liability of gun makers with saving "the American gun industry from bankruptcy."

The NRA pitches itself as a low-dollar, grassroots organization -- an annual membership currently costs $35 -- and maintains it is "not affiliated with any firearm or ammunition manufacturers or with any businesses that deal in guns and ammunition." However, the NRA has formally established many lucrative arrangements with "corporate partners."

From 2004 to 2010, the group's revenue from fundraising -- including gifts from gun makers who benefit from its political activism -- grew twice as fast as its income from members' dues, according to NRA tax returns.

"What are the current or even proposed gun laws that most threaten the rights of gun owners?"

Name the actual laws that currently threaten gun ownership, and stop bemoaning that someone or something is taking your guns away, when that clearly is not the case...no one and nothing is taking the right to own all guns away from Americans who are legally eligible to purchase, possess, and use firearms, not currently as law and not even proposed as law.

Gary W. Bornman, a felon being held in a federal ?Supermax? prison in Colorado, penned an op-ed on Thursday thanking the National Rifle Association for killing a bipartisan gun bill to expand background checks earlier this year. Bornman, who is serving a 20-year sentence for bank robbery, wrote to the Hartford Courant explaining how easy it would be for him to get a gun even though he is legally banned from buying one:

Bornman racked up 81 convictions over his life, leading one judge to declare, ?It does not appear you can be rehabilitated, nor does it appear you can be deterred.? Even after this grim pronouncement, Bornman is mostly right.

Although he could not purchase a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer without undergoing a background check, he can easily avoid a background check by taking advantage of the many loopholes NRA-friendly lawmakers refuse to close ? such as by purchasing a gun through a private seller at a gun show or online.

As a result, many criminals, domestic violence offenders, and mentally ill people who are technically banned from buying or owning guns are able to get them without detection. Indeed, many infamous gunmen obtained their weapons because of the holes in the federal background check system.

During his last conviction, Bornman wrote another editorial denigrating the prison system?s refusal to give him mental health care, despite his multiple pleas for therapy. Bornman warned, ?In all probability I?ll commit murder, perhaps even mass murder.?

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Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns

[Seth Manson]

Gun crime is the lowest it's been in over 20 years but we have 100x more crybabies about it these days.

[RyuLion]

I just pressed the end key..moving on..

[iSpyCams]

I recently bought a 50 round drum magazine for my kel-tech sub 2000 and it has the handiest feature to prevent mass shootings, it consistently jams every 3 rounds.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by kane

I'm for personal freedom of any kind. I feel people should be allowed to do whatever they want so long as what they are doing doesn't hurt other people.

I was making a joke because in my experience many people who feel they need a gun with a huge clip have other issues. It is the classic need to have something as a means to overcompensating for something else.

In turn, I call that the classic "accuse someone that wants to own or do something fun of having a small penis" argument. See also sports cars, 4x4 trucks with large tires, hunters, etc.

[slapass]

The US is the safest it has ever been so lets get that shit out there. Big clips, full auto, start shooting that shit up. At any moment the minorities/underpriviledged are going to want there share, and we are going to have to fend them off.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

Gun crime is the lowest it's been in over 20 years but we have 100x more crybabies about it these days.

Crime is down also over the past thirty years. Gun people will tell you it's because more people have firearms, but the truth is it's better law enforcement.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

Gun crime is the lowest it's been in over 20 years but we have 100x more crybabies about it these days.

Totally agree. All these people bitching over a classroom of elementary school kids getting slaughtered. When are people going to stop whining. Seriously, I think there is a real issue here.

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[2012]

Originally Posted by Rochard

but the truth is it's better law enforcement.

interesting concept.

For example, New York, even before it approved the strictest gun-control measures in the country last week, was ranked fourth among the states in strength of gun laws by the Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence, but was also in the top 10 in firearm homicide rates in 2011, according to the FBI.

Meanwhile, North Dakota was near the bottom in its firearm homicide, firearm robbery and firearm assault rates, but also had some of the loosest gun laws and worst compliance with turning over mental health records to the background check system.

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[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I'm an NRA member, have been for more than 20 years. I have yet to hear, see, or read anything about killing children on their website or in any of the literature they send me.

Is that just in Canada? Do Canadian members have to kill children? Is there a quota? Or are you just showing zealot like intolerance of those with opinions and interests different than yours?

.

Tell me something : Wayne Lapierre said "More Guns" after ever recent shooting of the past year. The NRA pushed like crazy to get "Stand your Ground" put into place in not just Florida but other states too. That old bastard Charlteon Heston went to Columbine 2-3 weeks after the big shooting there to speak at an NRA rally.

There is nothing wrong with being a member of a gun club. There's nothing wrong with owning guns. It's the NRA itself that is so fucking out of its mind that is the problem. Every time there is a horrible massacre, the NRA starts saying stupid shit like "Obama is coming for your guns" which scare gun-lovers into buying more guns. The NRA is used car salesman. They might have been a good organization at one point a long time ago but not anymore.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by baddog

Prince doesn't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Look who's talking.

[kane]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

In turn, I call that the classic "accuse someone that wants to own or do something fun of having a small penis" argument. See also sports cars, 4x4 trucks with large tires, hunters, etc.

I look at it like this. There are a few different types of gun people out there. When I say gun people I don't count those who have 1 gun in their house for home defense, I mean people who have many guns.

1. Hobbyist/Enthusiasts - These are people who just enjoy shooting as a recreational activity. Some people enjoy video games, others read books, some like to shoot.

2. Competition - People who shoot in competitions and need different guns for different events.

3. Collectors - just like some people collect salt and pepper shakers or shot glasses or whatever, some people collect guns.

4. Avid Hunters - These people don't need guns with massive clips, but I know a few people who hunt a lot have several different guns for different hunts.

5. People With Issues - This is a group of people who think that their gun is going to keep the government from taking control. These are the people who have real reason to need all of these guns, but they want them because having them makes them feel better about themselves. They may have a million reasons to justify why they have the guns, but in the end they are likely compensating for something.

Do all people that drive sports cars or big trucks have small penises? No. But are some of them overcompensating for something? Likely.

[Seth Manson]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

In turn, I call that the classic "accuse someone that wants to own or do something fun of having a small penis" argument. See also sports cars, 4x4 trucks with large tires, hunters, etc.

It's funny how guys run around all day so concerned about the size of another man's penis that they fantasize about it from looking at that man's property.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

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[DBS.US]

Right now imported Chinese lead painted toys are being shipped to store near everyones home. These toys will kill more children then guns will and nobody says a word about it.