So will Republicans still consider Rand Paul after this?

This will help make sense of Ron Paul:





ADG

No...Rand Paul would not have been selected by the Republicans...even scandal free.

ADG, you're clueless about Libertarians and politics in general.

I've pointed out to you over and over that Libertarians are pro-choice for women, anti-drug war, anti-war, anti-religion, and even openly friendly to the adult industry.

And yet you continue to insult me by claiming that Libertarians are like Republicans.

No they aren't. And I ask you again...please show me the Republicans that have the same stance on the issues as I just listed.

You look like a fool every time you post that pic and/or spout the Democrat Party propaganda about Libertarians (because the Dems KNOW that Libertarians are far more liberal than their party will ever be)

I have to say that over the past few months you have lost my respect in a lot of ways. I have no idea why you would want to do that. But you have succeeded.
Congrats!

My favorite Ron Paul moment was when he got tricked into an "interview" with Sasha Cohen as "Bruno"

And yet you can't answer my question, Where have I ever praised the GOP?

And name something that Obama has done that has benefited my life?

All that is true and well, but they are also against any type of social safety net, public education system, govt regulations, etc. How would you propose handling those issues?

I agree with that, the GOP is a mess, I left the party after Bush wanted to go after Iraq. I thought is was crazy to go into Afghanistan after what happened when the Soviets tried and lost. We are not equipped for that kind of warfare

Have I ever supported anything Michelle Bachman has done, no!
10 republicans in the senate voted for EDNA


Global warming, brought to us by former VP Al Gore. Couple years ago he bought a beach front house, seems he has a lot of faith in it.

Well here's your mistake on this, that's just new jobs, it doesn't take into effect the amount of people entering the job force for the first time, growth of the job force

When Obama took office labor force was 154,526,000 7.8% unemployment 12,079,000 unemployed
End of September labor force was 155,559,000 7.2% unemployment 11,255,000 unemployed

So the labor force is 33,000 bigger
amount of unemployed people has decreased 807,000

Let's see, the stimulus bill was passed to create jobs, at 787 billion dollars, that's $975,216.85 per person.

I'm pretty good at math, You seem to base it all on a graph, you must love the pictures in the books!
Wow, can you even read, they voted for reforms, with the massive expansion of the program over the last 4 years, it needs it.


Yet you were grouping them as a whole
I rarely attack the Democrats, they are what they are. I go after the leadership, you know the guy that's suppose to represent the nation as a whole, not just his party.
And don't compare other president like it's ok because this guy did this, I don't give a shit, I can about what's going on now!

I voted for the Libertarian candidate in 2012. That was Gary Johnson.

1. Johnson on Social Security and Welfare ("social safety net" nope, he's not "against" it):

Raise the retirement age to 70 or 72. (Aug 2012)
A portion of Social Security ought to be privatized. (Aug 2012)
Replace the payroll tax with FairTax. (Feb 2012)
Impose gross income cap on welfare recipients. (Jul 2011)
Maintain federal Social Services Block Grant funding. (Sep 2001)
Maintain flexibility & funding levels for TANF block grants. (Sep 2001)

2.Johnson on education (and no, he is NOT "against" public education):

Public education system needs major reform. (Aug 2012)
Vouchers OK for church childcare & church schools. (Aug 2012)
$3,500 voucher for every K-12 student. (Aug 2012)
Vouchers are as constitutional as pre-school and day-care. (Aug 2012)
Competition would make our schools better. (Aug 2012)
I support evolution; but no federal involvement. (May 2012)

3. Johnson on "Govt. Regulations" (there is really no way to address that...he isn't "Against" govt. regs at all...he thinks that there are too many of them and they are intrusive):

Opposes Net Neutrality; no government regulation of Internet. (Jul 2011)
No compromise on clean air, but no cap-and-trade.

4. Johnson on "etc.":

I don't know what that means. You are basically saying he is "against" things when the reality is he is FOR freedom of the individual as much as possible.
Libertarianism is about getting the Federal govt. out of our lives as much as possible to enrich society...not hurt it.

Remember what Thomas Paine said: "Government, even in it's best state is a necessary evil; in it's worst state, an intolerable one"

That's kind of what I think too. Instead of the govt. being a gigantic monstrosity that runs our lives...it should be a small entity that serves our needs and doesn't spend one more penny than it absolutely has to in order to accomplish that.

A libertarian is not going to be elected President but even if he were to be elected...it would make little if any difference as the President has very little domestic power and cannot make law...so a Libertarian President and 535 Democrats and Republicans in the two houses of Congress means we will still have the same policies as we have now.

That's true.

I also voted for the Libertarian candidates in my state elections and local elections for that very reason.

If enough people get fed up and stop voting for Republicans and Democrats it WILL change over time.

I'm sure the Democrats were surprised when the "Whig Party" (4 Presidents were members of that party) came to power over them in the early 19th century as well.

And I'm sure that the Whig's themselves never thought that THEY would be gone.

Things can change. Right now the Democrats and Republicans have made laws that pretty much make it almost impossible for a third party candidate to get elected.
But IF a third party ever gets into the White House, then it will make that party viable to the sheeple and then Congress and the Senate will start getting them too.

Let me try this again:

So why are you against proportional representation? Seems like it would help the Libertarian cause.



ADG

That is what I have always said..."government of the people...by the people...for the people. The key is "if enough people get fed up". An unengaged electorate gets the government they deserve.

Recently one poll showed the Congress with a 5% approval rating. To me this would indicate that 95% of those up for reelection will not be reelected but I suspect that the numbers will be closer to being reversed and 95% will be reelected.

This is a great point. People often say they want change, but they really don't. Also, many people look at problems with the attitude of, "You are messing this up, not me."

So many people feel that congress sucks, but their actual congressman is good so many of these people will get reelected.

Add in that only about half of those who are eligible to vote actually do and it is no wonder why the same people keep getting elected. If you know that only half of those eligible will vote and you only need half of those votes to win you only have to convince about 26% of the people to vote for you and you win.

I saw that poll...

The fucked up thing is this: They asked the people in the poll if they thought that the Congress and Senate should all be voted out, and people responded "Yes", BUT not THEIR Senators and Congressmen.

You really are being willfully ignorant.

You don't deserve an answer from me, but I'm generous and will give you one anyway.

The reason that no third party candidate got many votes is because the Republicans & Democrats are in control of the govt.
And in that role, they have passed legislation that makes it nearly impossible for a third party candidate to get elected.

It's pretty simple. They have rigged the system.

The only third party candidates that even get to be a blip on the radar are the ones with millions of dollars of their own money to waste. And I say "waste", because even if they spend all that money to get on the ballot...the 2 RULING parties won't allow them to be in the main Pres. debates on the major networks.

Most people don't even realize that they have any choice but the Republican and the Democrat.

But you just keep ignoring that and insulting me over and over in your snide little way that insinuates that you think you're smarter than I am.
You just look foolish to me.

Politicians are all crooks by the way.

IF the Libertarians ever do grow as a party and get into power...I'd give them less than a decade before they too would be corrupt and useless.

That's why I am for "one and done" term limits for EVERY position in govt.

Get those lifetime/career politicians OUT of our lives.