poor bastard was the first cuckhold

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Donny has a Jesus complex, but really he's more of a Joseph... :1orglaugh

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Donny went from being an adulterer pornographer cuckold to sexless celibate born-again Christian crusader without a clue, so now he goes around preaching religion to strangers, while ignoring family members that are leading sinful lives and dying from drugs and alcohol addiction right under the roof of his own family (Donny's Uncle died at Donny's preacher father's house, and his younger brother died at Donny's mother's house). Great success! :upsidedow

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ADG

Donny is a little misguided but goddamn ADG - thats a little rough - you dont poke fun about deaths in the family...I think you have some shit goin on yourself

And with that statement you become a bigger idiot than someone that takes the OT at its word. :2 cents:

Hey, dumb fuck . . . by definition, the OT cannot be Christian as Christ wasn't born yet.

Sorry if you took it that way, I was being serious.

Honestly, I have empathy for Donny's tragic losses. I'm fortunate that none of my loved ones have died senselessly as a result of drug or alcohol abuse (although my family is pretty boring - no drug addicts, and only a few that drink too much for their own good - most of them are nice Christians too; I really don't try to push my atheist beliefs on them - we try to get along and don't let our differences divide us that much).

Contrary to what a few of my critics on GFY have at times implied or suggested, while I consume copious amounts of cannabis (legally), I don't actually use any other drugs, and I haven't even consumed alcohol in almost 3 years (I quit without 12 Steps/Jebus). I rarely even smoke cannabis, as I consider smoking an unhealthy practice, and instead mostly vaporize or consume cannabis edibles (just made a batch of yummy brownies last night).

I was simply pointing out that instead of grandstanding/preaching about the evils of porn (and omitting/embellishing/lying while doing so), and being a general hypocrite, Donny might want to focus on the things that have been killing family members around him.

I would rather have my family members getting off to porn than destroying their lives and ultimately killing themselves with drugs and alcohol, but those are my priorities.

Check out this video which sums up some of my views about humanism and religion:



Given his repeated past GFY bans, that Theo let Donny back is a surprise to me, especially since Donny picked up right where he left off with his religious trolling.

The allure of the porn industry appears to be too much temptation for Donny, because he keeps slinking back to GFY to draw attention to himself and troll his religious agenda, so no one should be surprised when people in the adult industry push back a little. :2 cents:

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ADG

haha a lot of old people believe in that shit because they will be dead soon and want something to give them hope at this later part in life. Just like people in prison who come out all about God but drop that shit at the first sign of pussy or even a pop tart. The only thing I use God for is to see who to avoid because if they are that retarded to argue that the bible is real then you will never have a chance with anything else

Big Bad Man Dog - Bad Ass Harley Hog Rider - Tough Guy...Mean Mofo - Maker not a taker right? (by the way motorcycle riders are some of the biggest takers of gov sponsored health care that they can't pay for, right up there with cig smokers)...you like to call people mean nasty names...oh but you're a Christian right??? hahaha

You call other Christians idiots for believing the Old Testes, well what the FUCK do you believe Mr Man of Shifting Faiths - you allude that you believe in the New Testes - but you dont come out and say it... yet you have no retort for my points other than to sling some insults and run. What say you to this earlier point:

First, a New Testament scholar’s view of creation matters because Genesis was important to the New Testament authors. Every New Testament author quotes or alludes to Genesis. The New Testament has a total of 60 allusions to Genesis 1–11 specifically, and when we widen the search to include all of Genesis, the number grows to 103. For such a tiny body of literature, the New Testament has a staggering amount of references back to Genesis (see the list below).

http://creation.com/genesis-new-testament

You see, my main man, if you are calling believers in the OT idiots - then you are also calling the writers of the NT idiots... Or does a nuance like that not matter to such a non-intellectual such as yourself?

Matthew 24:37–39 (ESV)

37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and ...


The real question is: Can your faith handle such a debate and survive...

I find it amusing that you can't wrap your mind around hte fact that Islam, Christianity and Judaism and all their many sects and sub sects represent the majority of the worlds population and largely share the same fundamental religious beliefs.

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I'm glad I amused someone (than myself) tonight...and I might surprise you what I could wrap my head around - the lie you just stated is something my head just wrapped around and spit out as bullshit.

Yes there are similarities due to the rampant plagiarism of the time - these fucks like Constantine were known for ripping off any verses that would help pacify and control the sheeple.

Good read here - http://www.deism.com/bibleorigins.htm

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haha I can't believe God fucked a married women...what an asshole
Sorry my heresay took you into name calling rage again.

See I know there is no All Mighty Creator.

You THINK there may be one and you are just hedging your bets for when you croak...but if you REALLY believed there was this GOD watching all (like worse than the fucking NSA) then you wouldn't be in this den of filth reading all this blasphemy and letting it taint your faith.

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ADG

that Bill hicks shit cracked me the fuckup - thanks ADG. Have you seen the Doc on his life - great Doc...funny mofo. Died too young

All religions and cultures don't arrive at the same beliefs due to plagiarism nor do they share the same internal sense where on a vertical axis, "up" is closely associated with spirituality, holiness, purity, divinity and so on and where "down" is closely associated with the profane, with evil etc. just by coincidence, as one example.

You don't understand religion largely because you don't understand brain function. This is why i can forgive your simplistic and nonsensical replies. It's not your fault. Your conscious and unconscious processes are only loosely connected and you consciously struggling to explain strong unconscious feelings/emotions. Your brain is not a computer. Your brain is a decision maker. Your brain at the behest of your DNA, has only a simple objective as does every cell in your body and that is to survive, reproduce and to insure the safety and survival of your offspring. Your brain is not overly concerned with conscious thinking which costs a great deal of energy and more often than not, no benefit. You say silly things because your brain has an area which does nothing but help your conscious mind make shit up to explain unconscious feelings, emotions and actions. Your brain relies on short cuts lies to you all day long because quite simply, its to your benefit in terms of decreased energy consumption. For example, you can touch the end of your nose with your finger. You will believe that both your nose and the finger felt the other at the exact same instant. However, the signal from your finger has to travel approximately 100 times further to the brain than that in your nose it will arrive much later but your brain will say "yep, happened at the same time, lets move on". You have a part of the brain that is fully dedicated to lying to others and to yourself, all day long. This area of the brain and its function fascinates me. It's called Gazzaniga's Interpreter Module. It's only purpose is to provide a "makes sense explanation" and move on. Even funnier is that you will believe the thing you just made up (read Rochards posts). Just as those who are deeply religious do. Just as those who are not do. Just as you are doing. Just as anyone with severe ADD can make up absurd shit, say it convincingly, with absolute confidence and you'll even buy into it in the moment even when you know its BS. If you were to revisit that discussion later to confront the lie, his brain, without any hesitation will just keep going, make something up instantaneously and keep going, often making even less sense and with the individual often being no less convincing and confident. But... this is what we all do.

We all live in a Matrix-like world that is largely the creation of our own minds. The world around us is what we believe it to be. It's what we each interpret it to be. A sunny day can be beautiful or miserable, depending on who you ask.... but it goes much much much deeper than that. Your brain is a fantastic organ. Its convinced you that you are free and have free will, though the vast majority of the time, you are a complete slave to it's unconscious processes. In fact, we are the only species that is born and then remains completely helpless and dependent for a decade just so our brains can develop. You don't control it... it controls you. Its greatest trick is making you feel united and convinced that it just isn't so.

To the point of religion, logic and truthfulness of the stories/fables/parables have nothing to do with it success and survival and our own innate tendency of being drawn to religious beliefs. Nearly all religions explain and codify in law, some very basic ideas or senses which are innate within us, which we all experience and feel. The more important of which, is a sense of morality. We have an innate sense of morality/moral responsibility and right and wrong. Killing, incest, helping others, stealing, justice, adultery etc etc etc. These are not religious rules. These are instinctive senses and we all feel them to some degree or another. Some, even proven to be present in infants. These basic internal rules became very important to safety/survival/reproduction as we moved from hunter/gatherers to living in larger, sedentary social groups. Larger social groups, means a new rules for interaction to get along and survive. Providing a moral law and standards of conduct have clear and obvious survival benefits. In fact, our entire legal system today is based SOLELY on our own collective and instinctive/innate sense of right and wrong and morality. In fact, state and federal statutes are little more than religious books defining a religion and its sects.

As with any religion, the legal system too can feel arbitrary and unfair or "unjust".

But as with religion, you can only feel that way if you don't understand its motives.

The interesting thing about these arguments is that you are, in a very real way trying to argue against the existence of our legal system, you are trying to argue against things that almost all of us feel deep inside (yet, might explain in different ways). In attacking biblical stories, you are trying to point to a wrongfully convicted car thief to provide absolute proof that the legal system is a sham and unnecessary and that those who believe in it are somehow inferior to you, due to those beliefs. It should be obvious to you, why that argument will lose every single time.

The true wisdom lies in the understanding that you will never win and why. Not in regurgitating centuries old arguments for the 10 billionth time as if you're somehow offering intelligent insight.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh you are even more amusing and full of bullshit than adendreams...though that is somewhat hard for one to achieve.

I presume you are a human being. Human beings are hyper-social creatures. In fact, even the size of our brains and its rapid increase in size in the modern age of man, happened specifically due to the increased need to manage larger and larger social networks and to manage increasingly complex social interaction. You however, have set the life goal of living in the woods alone, in complete isolation and who admits his best friend is not a human being at all, but a dog.

So yeah... you're clearly firing on all cylinders.

Fucking Idiots

The Squealer seems like an intelligent dude (although I don't have time to read that wall of text).

You may be completely missing my point here, but I'm not against religion - I'm against the brainwash of kids and keeping them away from learning about reality.

"Reality" is a highly subjective concept and largely nothing more than each individuals interpretation of the world around them. My point is that you are no more right or wrong than anyone else. You are arguing for your own interpretation or understanding of reality and mocking that of others. You will not agree with Donny. Donny will not agree with you. You will point to a 1000 pieces of evidence to refute his beliefs, he will point to 1000 pieces of evidence to refute yours... You each will give less weight to the others "facts" and more to your own and subject your own and the others arguments to a wide array of cognitive bias's to pervert the information into something it isn't, safely declare yourself right again,.... and on it goes. His need to believe what he believes is driven for the most part, by the same neurological mechanisms that drive you to believe what you believe. The difference is that the individuals need to believe in something beyond themselves and to believe we have a purpose in this life will always win when you can't counter with anything other than "its just not true" and when there is no necessity or benefit/advantage in doing so (as it relates to the survival and reproduction and the safety and security of offspring).

dude you are coming in with some seriously esoteric shit..but there is such a thing as truth and reality..Dinosaurs did exist...radio carbon dating works...the bones tell a very real story about REALITY.

This aint the Matrix man but take one of the pills and wake the fuckup

Whose reality? Whose "real story"? Does an ant walking on a power line experience the same "reality" as you do? Do these "facts" impact the life of the ant or his limited understanding of his existence? Does the ant have his own "very real story" and "reality" that he also deeply feels people need to wake up to?

Does it matter?

The primary issue in your ranting is that YOU are unhappy. YOU feel the need to change others. YOU think most of the world is wrong and now YOU are on a futile crusade to change the beliefs of others.

Life is short.

Smile. Love the person you're with and your family and enjoy each day. You will never get these wasted moments back.

Did you come from a christian upbringing my man or did you just take too much acid at some point in your life?

You can't address the point of the existence of Dino bones that are IN REALITY millions of years old?

How about this Mr. Existentialist - answer these two questions with only yes or no answers:

1. Do you believe that Dinosaur bones are from large creatures that inhabited this planet millions of years before modern humans did?

2. Do you think its wrong to tell impressionable children that these bones are from creatures that lived side by side humans just a few thousand years ago.

(disregard question 2 if your answer to question 1 is No)

Fact : We never had a black president elected before now because he would have been black.


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I didn't deny the existence of dinosaurs, nor the timeline of evolution or the age of the planet. I never mentioned dinosaurs at all or addressed dinosaurs at all nor did I say anything to indicate I had christian beliefs. I didn't express an opinion on the video or address it in any way, shape or form. What an odd deflection based on absolutely nothing at all other than your minds own confabulations.

And then you have this guy walk in with his rambling pseudo science drivel based on observations of the perversion called modern society (just look how well that is working since it is run by religion based thinking - model of efficiency and rationality right - wrong - and claiming all that as if it were absolute fact. :1orglaugh

Sorry buddy but someone stating that they would rather not be part of the collective insanity and think for themselves...wow...what a concept - and you find that strange and somehow makes them defective? "Group think" techniques work very well for controlling large numbers of people...right they certainly do and that "primate" need to be part of a group to survive runs very deep in our fears-most people would rather die than speak in front of a group of people so yes, we did evolve in groups but we also can think individually. Group think has been exploited far to long...sure works for cults like religions and groups like the Nazis and Republicans even whole countries.

Nice simplistic thinking and slogans such as "You are either with us or against us" and who can forget the classic "If you don't like it here move" or "Either you think/believe like we do OR you are going to hell / we will kill you / we will marginalize you ... you fill in the blank with whatever".

Religions do nothing except poorly explain complicated ideas to simpleminded people and throw in some controlling behavioral rules while at it all while promising a big pay off at the end if you play nice - sorry but some of us actually like to think for ourselves and are so easily fooled by "group think" tactics regardless who they threaten you and your convenient "social order". :thumbsup

Ooo look who had their first day of philosophy 101 but can't recognize basic false equivalence.

Ask Paul M. I think he was booked on that same cruise!

I've never studied philosophy, nor have I read any works of known philosophers that I can think of as I type this. I've never found philosophy appealing nor have I ever thought that philosophy offers any satisfactory explanations of human bevaviors beyond interpretations of observed behaviors.

Furthermore ones beliefs are rooted in moral judgements and intuitive reasoning and as I've said, both are unconscious processes where decisions (like/dislike) occur almost instantaneously. You aren't even aware of these decisions and preferences consciously until AFTER they've been made. The conscious.mind then attempts to explain the unconscious decision - where more often than not, it has no information as to how that decision was made. The minds explanation of that instantaneous decision or preference has little to do with conscious thought processes. In fact, ones explanations and arguments are usually nonsensical and. Irrational post hoc explanations of unconscious processes which and are interestingly, irreversible regardless of the evidence presented after the fact through continued debate or discussion... Which is why positions are rarely, if ever reversed. That's not philosophy 101, it's neuroscience and moral psychology 101.

What a great post. Too bad it's wasted on that idiot :thumbsup

Well, you see...an ant really can't think now can it. So it probably does experience the same reality that you do.

As for the rest of us NO. :thumbsup

Not surprising that in the absence of anything intelligent to say, you decided to attack a metaphor as if it was intended to be a literal example, though the actual creature was clearly irrelevant to the point being made. One of the many pluses of being dumb is that you likely have a diminished capacity for shame and embarrassment .... so i'm certain you'll try again.

And yet you go on a 16 year old stoner's understanding of near solipsism to discount the very real fact that people believing in things that aren't empirically evidence based can have an actual detrimental affect on his life when those people vote against stem cell research that might save his life or you have a president chasing Gog and Magog around the desert bankrupting an economy.

You berate someone for not understanding the vast majority of people are jews, christians and muslims, religions that are explicit subsequent derivatives to the point where some muslims refer to Islam as "Religion 3.0" or "Christianity 2.0" and then you say it's not all plagiarism when it very clearly was. You might not be as clear as you think you are on this point.

Although your wording is unclear you seem amazed that cultures don't like "down" and it's a coincidence that the direction you're buried when you die, fall to your death and sink and drown is bad but that up, where the life giving sun and rain comes from and where no human has ever been able to go to escape their predators would be an ideal direction. It's like you haven't given it a seconds rational thought.

That the legal system evolved from pretty much the same place as religion does in no way make it equivalent in terms of function and comparable in any other meaningful way. A society where brain function could be altered to remove our collective need for a spirituality/meaning in randomness/higher power would get along fine now we are no long cave dwellers, a society genetically engineered to be amoral with no understanding of right or wrong or justice would not.

That arguing religion, or politics or Justin Bieber on the internet is like playing a tennis match with each opponent on a separate court is largely besides the point.

This isn't a falsely equivalent world, 1000 arguments from a fantasy book aren't equivalent to the results from 1000 scientific studies and contrary to your insinuation cognitive bias and subconscious control aren't impenetrable fields, merely temporary road blocks. The efficacy of attacking literalist beliefs lies in places like: http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/50...-deconversion/ the value lies in body autonomy, scientific progress and social freedom. You are using neuroscience in an absolute dogmatic way, as though people don't change their beliefs when they very, very clearly do, they merely have a strong tendency not to do it on the spot.

I don't think anyone cares about liberal or cultural christians believing in a higher power but I do think people care about insulating against 30 million people believing in end times prophecy, militant and organised infiltration of governance and things like steering foreign policy on Israel based largely on desire of a second coming. This isn't innate. This isn't an emergent property common across all civilizations that cannot be controlled. America is quite literally alone among it's peers in this. England, Australia, Canada, France, Germany etc provide ample juxtaposition of relatively pacified religiosity and some are excellent cultural control groups. Creationism "controversies" in these countries are American imports in the same way American christians are influencing Uganda.

Not of course that posting on porn forum achieves anything in any meaningful way, but there is no need to win any impossible battle with belief. It is however clearly possible for literalism and the worst excesses that stem from it to be minimized to an acceptable level and perhaps even posting on a forum is part of that osmosis.

Great post. TheSquealer has become a slave to the scientific field of neuro-science. A very new field that has only touched the surface in its understanding of the human brain/mind. We are more than the expression of our biology. It is a mystery that we may never solve.

While it does seem like humans have an innate need for some form of spirituality/religion, when we create a fantasy world for ourselves that makes mortal enemies and others into lesser beings based on fairy tales we put the world and its people into great danger.

We are an incredible species, we have figured out how to destroy ourselves and every living thing on this planet on our own. The most evil violent people in mankind's history could do everything in their power to destroy every person and thing in its path and they would fail. Today that's no longer so.

We are perilously close to nuclear weapons being in the hands of several Islamic nations and their agents of terror who believe their religious fairy tale is reality, that every non-believer must die.

For the survival of mankind these religions need to be taken away. What this world needs now is a universal law of religious intolerance, beginning with the prohibition of any nation that is a theocracy followed by religious disarmament, shut down every temple, every church, every mosque. In a few generations people will be born without this lunacy in their lives, they can still be spiritual, what they won't be allowed to do is construct an alternate reality for themselves where other people and nations are their enemies based on a fantasy world they created for themselves. These three religions that share the same God - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - outlived their purpose long ago and are now holding this planet hostage. The conception of a Creator three thousand years ago by a small tribe of nomadic herdsmen that elected them as his Chosen people was a quaint story in its time and place, and has now outgrown its time and place and wrought more harm than good to this world. Note the progression, small tribe of people now named Jews fighting for their identity, survival and nationhood imagines an omnipotent Creator of the entire Universe who will guide them and ensure they will they defeat each of their enemies in succession. A grand fairy tale is written, a fairy tale these people believe was written in the Heavens by the Creator himself. A thousand years later a small group of Jewish heretics nullify the fairy tale and write their own. The majority of Jews reject the new fairy tale as the work of crackpots. The heretics wander off to spread the new fairy tale and as their numbers grow they now demonize the Jews, they are now Satan's children, killing and humiliating them using the new fairy tale to support their hatred. So caught up in the new fairy tale the Christians force 'the good news' upon everyone in their path and they build their empire across the world. Meanwhile two thousand years after Moses and six hundred years after Jesus, back in the part of the world where the original fairy tale was imagined there are a people who have no fairy tale at all. A young man named Mohammed from these sad people reads the two fairy tales and he liked them very much. He discovers something, Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael, Ishmael being the first born. But in the fairy tale Ishmael was passed over, the children of Isaac's son Jacob inherit the promises from God, they became the Chosen. Mohammed's people are the descendants of Ishmael, he reads the fairy tale over and over and can find no reason for being overlooked by God, a horrible mistake had been made. Mohammed writes his own fairy tale correcting the injustice done to his people, he decides he is a prophet just like Moses and Jesus and anything that comes out of his idiot head is coming from God. He wants and expects the world to accept him as the new prophet, most especially the Chosen people from the first fairy tale, he has the utmost respect for Abraham and Moses, he seeks approval from their people and is crazy enough to think he's going to get it. The Jews of course had no use for his revisionist fairy tale. So Mohammed does what any religious prophet would do, he slaughters them. And he writes in his fairy tale that Jews are subhumans, apes and pigs and they all must die. And then it grows to everybody else on earth who doesn't believe in his God must die.

All three of these religions and their fairy tales are intolerant and filled with bigotry and hate, and with each one it got progressively worse. The concept of a 'chosen people' is inherently bigoted, you can find in the Jewish Talmud opinions from Jewish rabbis that Jews are 'different', even suggesting that as a race they are supernatural. It's a dangerous idea and no people should understand that more than the Jews themselves. Christians preach eternal damnation in the fires of Hell, accept Jesus Christ as your saviour or suffer the consequences. A peaceful religion that quickly mutated into one of hatred, intolerance, mind and body control. And Islam, pure hatred.

These three fairy tales' continued existence endanger the world. We should rid the world of them. Create new fairy tales for a modern world, fairy tales that don't have thousands of years of blood and vengeance dripping from them. And when a new fairy tale gets perverted into what these three are - ban them. Most of us live in democratic countries where we have hate speech laws already. I don't care what's inside people's minds that causes them to hang on to these religions. I know every one of them will survive without them, and the majority of the world will be better off for their disappearance.

Great post Mutt :thumbsup