"Story of Jesus Christ was fabricated " ?

[JFK]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, say it aint so ??

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-8870879.html

[BaliPimp]

It doesnt matter really. There will always be people who need that crutch to lean on, so let them have it. Besides, I love the smell of christmas trees- amen

[Harmon]

If it quacks like a duck...

[JockoHomo]

What next...no tooth fairy...no Santa Claus?

[Harmon]

What next...no tooth fairy...no Santa Claus?

[NinjaSteve]

http://www.infowars.com/ omg

[Best-In-BC]

Well no shit!@

[CaptainHowdy]

Who the hell actually thought that resurrection was real??

[faxxaff]

The entire Bible and Koran were fabricated to keep people in line.

[Rochard]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, say it aint so ??

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-8870879.html

yawn.

[dyna mo]

that's actually quite a fascinating theory. i might have to get that book!

[Markul]

of course it is.

Harmon what a nasty picture lol!

[Barry-xlovecam]

Mr Atwill's theory is simply one of a number of what are known as Bible conspiracy theories.

The Romans set up a phoney crucifixion too?

[adultmobile]

http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theolo...overt-messiah/

"We hesitate to write this critique only because we worry that this will give backhanded merit to Atwill?s claims. It?s kind of like writing an argument for why Santa Claus doesn?t exist [...] Joseph Atwill is not a NT scholar or a historian; he is a dotcom businessman. The price is $40 a ticket (or 25 British pounds) for Atwill?s ?Covert Messiah? conference. We would be naïve to think that a business man like Atwill has purely academic motives in throwing this conference."

[Donny]

Well if Joseph Atwill says so, it must be true!

[Phoenix]

I thought they had letters from Roman soldiers talking about him?
Don't get me wrong I don't think he was a magic being. My guess is he was good looking tall and smart. Probably spoke many languages.

Show up in a town and told them Not to drink the water from where they shit and piss. Miracle. .omg

[dyna mo]

I thought they had letters from Roman soldiers talking about him?
Don't get me wrong I don't think he was a magic being. My guess is he was good looking tall and smart. Probably spoke many languages.

Show up in a town and told them Not to drink the water from where they shit and piss. Miracle. .omg

he was most certainly real. the theory posited is based on correlations, that's not really evidence at all. the romans had big problems with uprisings and i wouldn't be surprised if they used psychological warfare as he says, but it's quite the leap to claim jesus was created as a tool of war to enslave the jewish uprisers.

[EonBlue]

Let me know when this guy is going to Riyadh, Tehran or Islamabad to present a discovery that he claims proves the story of Mohammed was invented as a system of mind control to enslave the poor.

Now that would be interesting.

People love to pick on Christianity because it is safe to do so. They know they won't catch much, if any, flak from it. The same people are too chicken-shit to pick on Islam in the same way because they don't want to spend the rest of their lives in hiding.

[Donny]

http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theolo...overt-messiah/

Good article. I liked this quote from atheist Richard Carrier (of infidels.org) :

"Atwill is a total crank, and his work should be ignored, indeed everywhere warned against as among the worst of mythicism, not representative of any serious argument that Jesus didn?t exist."

[dyna mo]

there's nothing wrong with questioning if jesus existed imo. in fact, i think it's important to do so and continue to do so, even with theories such as the op.

[rogueteens]

Jesus was real, there were dozens of "messiahs" in the middle east at that time, historians know the names of many of them. they even believe that most actions by other so called messiahs eventually got attributed to jesus

[edgeprod]

Apollonius Christ! I'm willing to believe that Jesus lived, but not that he was God, or was resurrected. I mean, come on ... I'm a bit old to believe in fairytales or need an invisible friend.

[Shagbunny]

Some people just need sky daddies to comfort them through life only problem is, they bring that shit onto their children and it never ends.

[Harmon]

[seeandsee]

who ever sad god made bible? god dont have to make such books! maybe

[Grapesoda]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, say it aint so ??

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-8870879.html

"Christianity may be considered a religion, but it was actually developed and used as a system of mind control to produce slaves that believed God decreed their slavery."

gotta be wehateporn's pen name

[Grapesoda]

Apollonius Christ! I'm willing to believe that Jesus lived, but not that he was God, or was resurrected. I mean, come on ... I'm a bit old to believe in fairytales or need an invisible friend.

if anything Jesus was a Jewish rebel fighting Rome

[Tom_PM]

God made man in his image. Man made god in his image.
The power is in all of us. Because we invented it like that.

Some people say let people worship all they want, but the problem is that religions absolve people of responsibility, and robs them of credit. Nothing I dislike more than seeing some damn athlete thanking god for his or her victory. You did it yourself, bitch. Keep the prize money and trophy. And if you fuck someone over, talking to a robed figure in a dark room doesn't mean you are good to go do it again, dickhead. You both earned your accomplishments, and deserve your punishments. No invisible sky man is going to change that.
so sayeth the clown.

[baddog]

who ever sad god made bible? god dont have to make such books! maybe

You and I rarely agree; but spot on. A parable by definition is fiction; I thought Penn was smarter than that.

[alex.missyouth]

Harmon, seriously, WTF?! And yes it's fabricated.

[NewNick]

See sig.

[ilnjscb]

Esho Bar Yehosef existed, and his father was a handsome roman soldier, and his mother was a smart Jewish girl who didn't want to be stoned, and he was brought up to believe he was special, and 400 years after his death a very smart, ruthless man realized that controlling the church was a good way to consolidate his power. So he had some really smart guys, who didn't want to be tortured to death, write out the bible, and edit out that parts that weren't useful, from this 400 year old legend that seemed to really motivate the lower orders.

A few years later Rome fell for the first time in hundreds of years and went into a decline, but this guy got what he wanted, temporal power and 1500 years of positive posterity.

All religions have a general who really is the founder. Saladin, Constantine, Cyrus, Ahkenaten, whoever.

[NewNick]

Esho Bar Yehosef existed, and his father was a handsome roman soldier, and his mother was a smart Jewish girl who didn't want to be stoned, and he was brought up to believe he was special, and 400 years after his death a very smart, ruthless man realized that controlling the church was a good way to consolidate his power. So he had some really smart guys, who didn't want to be tortured to death, write out the bible, and edit out that parts that weren't useful, from this 400 year old legend that seemed to really motivate the lower orders.

A few years later Rome fell for the first time in hundreds of years and went into a decline, but this guy got what he wanted, temporal power and 1500 years of positive posterity.

All religions have a general who really is the founder. Saladin, Constantine, Cyrus, Ahkenaten, whoever.

Thats nice dear.

[JFK]

Harmon, seriously, WTF?! And yes it's fabricated.

Seems like no one will notice him, unless he posts retarded shots in other peoples threads. Crying out for attention,

[Captain Kawaii]

if anything Jesus was a Jewish rebel fighting Rome

LOL. He was a jewish rebel fighting jews. Synagogues, according to academics, were markets, open air brothels, money-changing places. Every sort of evil happened within the outer rooms. Jesus was supposedly appalled by this and attacked mainstream judaism. He in turn, was whacked. He disrupted profits. Plain and simple.

[_Richard_]

Esho Bar Yehosef existed, and his father was a handsome roman soldier, and his mother was a smart Jewish girl who didn't want to be stoned, and he was brought up to believe he was special, and 400 years after his death a very smart, ruthless man realized that controlling the church was a good way to consolidate his power. So he had some really smart guys, who didn't want to be tortured to death, write out the bible, and edit out that parts that weren't useful, from this 400 year old legend that seemed to really motivate the lower orders.

A few years later Rome fell for the first time in hundreds of years and went into a decline, but this guy got what he wanted, temporal power and 1500 years of positive posterity.

All religions have a general who really is the founder. Saladin, Constantine, Cyrus, Ahkenaten, whoever.

[Robbie]

My guess is he was good looking tall and smart. Probably spoke many languages.

And he had blue eyes and light brown, beautiful hair...

The magic Jewish guy!

[The Porn Nerd]

I don't know about Jesus but that John dude who wrote Revalations smoked some good shit, that's all I'm sayin'.

[Tofu]

[JockoHomo]

[mikesinner]

http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theolo...overt-messiah/

"We hesitate to write this critique only because we worry that this will give backhanded merit to Atwill?s claims. It?s kind of like writing an argument for why Santa Claus doesn?t exist [...] Joseph Atwill is not a NT scholar or a historian; he is a dotcom businessman. The price is $40 a ticket (or 25 British pounds) for Atwill?s ?Covert Messiah? conference. We would be naïve to think that a business man like Atwill has purely academic motives in throwing this conference."

In religious circles they will always say an author is not a NT scholar if he does not agree that the bible is a true story and Jesus is god.

[adendreams]

“The Question I get asked by religious people all the time is, Without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is, I do rape all I want, and the amount I want is Zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount is Zero. The fact that there people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. “

- Penn Jillete

[JFK]

Pretty Fuckin HOTT

[onwebcam]

You don't say?

[slapass]

that's actually quite a fascinating theory. i might have to get that book!

Really? They killed early Christians. Add in that own religion was even more ridiculous if you can imagine, I doubt this is even close to reality.

[Mutt]

Serious Bible scholars believe in the historicity of Jesus. There's not much to go on outside of the accounts in the gospels themselves. Josephus, a Jew himself, considered the Jewish 'Benedict Arnold' for selling his fellow Jews out during the Jewish Roman War, wrote two incredible history books about the Jews during the 1st century AD. In one of them he refers to 'Jesus the Christ', there's some debate whether that mention of Jesus was put in at a later time since the earliest copy of Josephus' work is dated to the 3rd century. Most Bible scholars accept that the Josephus reference is legit. There is also a reference in the notes of the rabbis at the time referring to a 'Yeshua', the Jewish name for Jesus, and his tricks of sorcery. There is debate whether that 'Yeshua' was Jesus since it was a common name and there were many in Jerusalem performing 'miracles'.

This clown's theory is idiotic, the Romans had little trouble with Jewish uprisings, they sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the temple in 70AD beginning a huge exodus of Jews from Judea. The Jews at the time were busy killing each other in a civil war, the Romans didn't have to do that much. There's no history at all to support his theory, there is lots of history describing the evolution of Christianity from the 1st century and onwards.

It wasn't until the 4th century that Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire. Before then Christians were treated the same way Jews were treated, like shit.

Christmas is coming up, now that is a totally fabricated event that the Romans dreamed up and its origin is incredible, a Roman pagan festival in December where for a full week you could do anything you wanted and you wouldn't be prosecuted, huge drunken orgies/rapefests. Jesus wasn't born in December, they dreamed up the nativity story, there's nothing in the scriptures about that story nor in any Christian history before the Romans got hold of Christianity, and much of the celebrations of the Roman holiday of Christmas was devoted to humiliating Jews. The Romans did a great job of creating the Jesus brand.

Jesus was a Jew, a serious Jew, meaning he would have been observing all the Jewish laws of observance. His issue with the Jews was the politics that had overtaken the religion, thought they were all hypocrites. Jews of the time did not have long hair, his hair would have been short. And he'd look like the rest of the people in the Middle East, semitic.

[Phoenix]

And he had blue eyes and light brown, beautiful hair...

The magic Jewish guy!

Actually he was probably brown skinned. Dark hair. Brown eyes. Just based on geography.

[globofun]

Who the hell actually thought that resurrection was real??

This morning I had a resuerection!

[leming]

As George says

[Jman]

Esho Bar Yehosef existed, and his father was a handsome roman soldier, and his mother was a smart Jewish girl who didn't want to be stoned, and he was brought up to believe he was special, and 400 years after his death a very smart, ruthless man realized that controlling the church was a good way to consolidate his power. So he had some really smart guys, who didn't want to be tortured to death, write out the bible, and edit out that parts that weren't useful, from this 400 year old legend that seemed to really motivate the lower orders.

A few years later Rome fell for the first time in hundreds of years and went into a decline, but this guy got what he wanted, temporal power and 1500 years of positive posterity.

All religions have a general who really is the founder. Saladin, Constantine, Cyrus, Ahkenaten, whoever.