I AM adept - at identifying business models that decrease the value of my product.

Die? Nope, I'm thriving and it's your website that I hope dies.

But here's three words for YOU: tā mā de nǐ de mǔqīn*











*In English it's three words.

Looks really well. Good job!

I've sent you another email. ;)

Dude are you 12? Is it called for to insult my mother? (even though you wrote it wrong)
Stop this, or I'm going to report you for Excessive harassment or verbal abuse.

Adept or pie?

I'm so sorry I didn't write that in traditional Chinese but rather used 'common' Chinese. You still understood it tho, right? Good.

Being Chinese I'll forgive you for not knowing the meaning of the word 'excessive' (or 'adapt/adept').
I will NOT however forgive you for your shitty website, business model and overall attitude.

Húndàn
(Oh I'm sorry, would you like that in 'traditional' Chinese? No problem):
Húndàn

Oh look! Same thing. Here's another one for you: Kǒujiāo

I'm not sure the logic here. One of the biggest money makers, ever, in the history of money making, is to offer a discount (aka trial). If subscription is half off first month, I certainly hope the rebills come in at full price.

But people like the *illusion* they are getting a deal. It's an awesome idea!

Someone way back was asking what to do about a site similar in name to this... I have no idea, it may have been this site. But it was just an affiliate type of site and I had mentioned why not actually contact programs and offer your surfers a true discount.

Trials/discounts... rebills, (never, never add non-recurring option) is where the money is.

English is not my first language, neither is Chinese. So i might make a few mistakes in spelling. I'm so sorry.

I do hope you can stop with your insults. You can buy the site for 6 figures and shut it down if you can't live with it.

I wish you all the best.

Many, many, MANY people simply will not purchase a recurring Membership - PERIOD. They won't buy a trial, they won't buy a recurring Membership. So what about those customers? Forget about them? No - offer a one-time only subscription.

And make that subscription price THREE TIMES (or twice) the price of the recurring? Maybe - depending on your site (frequency of updates, content, bonus material, etc). But even then, many many people simply will not pay $70 for a 3 month porn Membership (or can't afford to).

In terms of total revenue I will match my company's performance against any similar-sized company's "rebills-only" business model. Especially these days, where the average rebill is 2-3 months and many surfers choose the lower-priced rebill option only to turn around and cancel 3 minutes after signing up.

But hey, differant strokes for differant folks. But offering discounts via email marketing, or a seasonal 'special', is far, far differant than lowering your prices and offering consistent discounts. ESPECIALLY if you have business partners (the pie is only so big) let alone affiliates. Sorry, not convinced.


If your site is worth six figures then I'm the Queen of China. LOL

But okay, no more insults. I don't wish you all the best tho (in tems of business). Two years from now you'll be on here trying to sell porn memberships for $1 (not trials, either).

I've done it long enough the way everyone *told* me I needed to. I never bought into it, so I changed it.

You know what site I am testing right now... and income made October from September is 60% higher. I am predicting over a 100% increase in income in November compared to September. Then higher in December and will continue to grow until it levels off. We tried everything, mixing recurring, non-recurring, trials, half discounts, etc. etc. etc... never in a billion years would I see the results like above. And I will not add a 1 time option on initial tour to sale... maybe a last chance option... or email offer... but that would be the only place.

You do know that MANY people offer a straight up $1 trial for 2 or 3 days and that is it right? That is their pricing plan, and they bank on the rebills. However, I think that model is flawed in that it generates too many cancellations.

Back to my point though... offering essentially a coupon is not, at all, a bad idea. The programs then need to rebill it correctly, but heh... most likely back to horrible join forms :(

Thanks :thumbsup:thumbsup

Very true, many sites do the $1 trial thing, no one-time only subscriptions at all. And for the site you're working I'm sure it's best for you. You have a model who's very involved with her site and with her Members so the Goal would be long-term rebills and interactivity. Not all adult sites can offer this.

But regardless, it comes down to numbers (as always) and what I always say holds true: one business model does not work for everyone. :)

For snizzle :thumbsup

The $1 analogy was other people *ONLY* offering that option. No straight up 30 day, 90 day, whatever... simply $1 straight up. That works for a lot of people... what I am saying is a 35% retention percent is unacceptable and why I think that model is not the greatest. But it is better then what any third party processing is doing.

We are getting off base though... my reason for bringing billing was because you can very successfully offer a *coupon* to a website and still bank. Just need to do it right is all. So I don't agree with you that porndeals.com is a bad setup... I am saying that it is now in the hands of the program owners to bill that coupon correctly.

If the Program bills the discount correctly and offers limited-time 'coupons' (as it were) then I agree with you. As I mentioned, short-term "deals" or sales can be very effective (especially through email marketing). But the "danger" here (as I see it) is the discount price becoming the norm.

Then what? Volume doesn't always go up when you lower prices. It's a tricky balancing act and I'm betting that most Programs won't have the savvy (or skill) to balance this shit. I just see overall devaluation coming but what do I know? My opinions often only apply to me. LOL

Porndeals doesn't force programs to give discounts, it gives the programs the opportunity to give the amount of discount that works for them. They wouldn't give discounts that would drive them into the ground. We provide discounts for the biggest programs out there, so they probably know what they are doing.

^^both of you do not understand discount means more sales... oye!

I understand the concept but all to well, why else would i start this project :thumbsup

I don't really see the coupon on any sponsor site though. When I click... it is the price, rebilled at the same price. Nothing on sponsor sites is showing *TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PORNDEALS COUPON TODAY! HALF PRICE... LIMITED TIME ONLY*

I know it is growing pains, etc. but that is what I'm talking about. Then that sponsor needs to have the knowledge to raise the rebill price after. All of that is join page stuff.

I like the idea though... I just think it needs some growing.

Awesome site :thumbsup

100 deals :thumbsup

no need for deals porn is FREE FREE FREE

happy spanking

I'm not saying Porndeals.com is "forcing" Programs to do this or that, I realize Programs are voluntarily doing this but my point still holds: Programs WILL fuck this up because I do not believe they "know what they are doing". IF Programs knew what they were doing this Industry wouldn't be in such trouble.

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Sure -- you funding the article at my usual rate? :winkwink:

Thank you all for your support and good wishes despite some disagreements :) I really appreciate it.

(jupii, my first post on gfy.com) :pimp

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Are you actually offering a deal for Hentai Stream ?

The pirate hentai site YOU used to own before you CLAIMED to sell it (before the domain went into domain privacy) and now you're promoting that very same pirate site on your PornDeals.com website ?

Correct me if I am wrong.

Shut this fool down AK! :thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

any news on this

any link trading?

Only hentai site that im promoting on porndeals is sextronix. What are you talking about?

could have just said no muther fucker :disgust

:helpme:helpme

Adapt or die or eat a pie :D good work!

Nice work! Good luck!