Doubled sales confirmed...

"This is interesting on a lot of levels"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DK2L8yk376A

well answer the question then

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I see there was a $5 drop for 30 days access and a $10 drop for 90 days access.

Anyhoo, so Saraswirls went from billing through CCBILL then Verotel and now No Limits.

Does one still sign up as an affiliate with CCBILL? Is the affiliate paid by CCBILL? Or paid by Verotel? Or paid by No Limits?

What's the 411 on this?

Beaner can break all of that down for you much better and with more clarity than me.

When you realize that we are 100% serious as a hear attack with good intentions sharing data and results we are not obligated to share then folks may actually end up appreciating our motives and efforts.

We could have slept, sat on and kept this revelation to ourselves but it really is too astonishing to hoard, and it is the right thing to do regardless of all the insults and names we have been called for making these assertions and calling in to question the integrity of 3rd party billers

Rest assured with this thread and this data their integrity is now under a microscope...not ours

I do not suspect they are thrilled or relieved at the findings we have shared

Again no B.S. Simply removing 3rd party billers from the equation and now counting and collecting our own sales,and data in real time is what has happened.

The results speak for itself.

I just can't help to rub it in because of all the shit talking and name calling I had to endure to get this point proven.

I am so psyched for this! Go Beaner!

Whats your email beaner?

How long until we see take the money and run.

As much as I didn't enjoy Beaners earlier spam work.. THIS is an area I believe in strongly, and over the years have encountered many problems with.

I know the immediate effects of two very important things, micro-tweaking join forms, page continuity, and most of all SCRUBBING.

I support you on this one Beaner, hope you help a lot of people out. If I were them, I would at least keep an open mind.

Barry - as usual, very good points and spot on with the concerns.. but I still believe it.

I sent you an email. And my corrected email is markj at nolimitsllc.net

1/354 for the month now... dropped a few since the 16th.

Is Beaner your new affiliate program manager?

Honestly, in the pursuit of more credible results, No Limits should have been used in conjunction with your original pricing options.

Could dropping the price of 2 out of 3 of your subscription options be a factor in the new and improved ratio?

I know Beaner mentioned trying out a 'ridiculously low trial" without any success, but sometimes that backfires by sending the wrong message to potential buyers.

Congrats hun! :pimp

Quiet as it is kept, and this is no swipe at Beaner....

This is Beaner now finally coming on board with discoveries I have personally made starting back in february of 2013

I relayed this information to Beaner since back in february however Beaner is a black and white, facts speak for themselves type of guy.

So my *reported* success to Beaner after removing 3rd party billers from one section of our operations was not enough to entirely convince him although we had his attetnion lol....along with a few tid bids of documentation were not as persuasive until he finally had full control of all variables himself.

Now he did the billing swap, installed sliiing stats tracking, and swapped out and enhanced our join forms and now he is seeing the the dramatic and instant increase in transactions for his own eyes and not from me *reporting* it to him.

He is now able to say matter of factly without dispute nor reluctance that he can now personally validate that 3rd party billers are actually *COSTING* us revenue and headaches.

He now can confirm that we have not had a 0 sales day since removing 3rd party billers COMPLETELY from our operations at the beginning of OCTOBER 2013 while many of you are going days and days with no sales and 1/10000 conversion ratios

He can now confirm that 100% as the results are understandably fucking with him because up until now all we had were my wild assertions but nothing tangible to back up the assertions.

Again I have my own proof and documentation most I have never made public, but now Beaner has his own version of the stats and full control over billing and he is shocked out of his mind because how do you explain overnight doubling,tripling, quadrupling of sales as being the result of anything but ineffective billing?

His take is 3rd party is ineffective.....my take is not only are 3rd party billers ineffective but they are in fact something far worse.....that I believe is the gist of the difference of theories.

Anyway you slice it, neither of us are wrong with what the results are...they are breathtaking on any scale, and warrant the attention of a certain sector of the industry....the sector that knows in their gut that they are not getting all the sales they can from their 3rd party billers

We have no further explaining to do at this juncture however the MArk Prince's of the world as well as 3rd party billing companies themselves should have a ton of explaining to do for they assert that billers are not the cause of low sales, we can refute those assertions in a manner that will have them tuck and run for the hills

This is why I never accepted 2% form submissions reports and this is why I never accepted 3-4 days a week of 0 sales as accurate or truthful

I mean the results are in fact that damning! Sure we wish to move forward but reflection and ponderance of these results give one pause and reason to reach back in the past and demand some answers from the psuedo bankers

^ let me get this straight, am I right in guessing you are saying your own MID is better than using 3rd party billing, and will result in more sales (due to less scrub)? This is the groundbreaking revelation you won't quite, but might, maybe, tell us?

Most of us know this already.

Until you get your mid shutoff, or you have too much billing and they won't give you the increase you need.

So less scrub from say CCBILL... Wait 1 months and see if your chargebacks are higher and refunds are higher. Because what CCBILL was doing is using algorithms and past experience with customers to decide if somebody was using fraud or were more likely to ask for a refund, and if not getting one, a chargeback.

Also some surfers hate CCBILL; some hate Epoch; some hate Verotel... etc... So seeing that those companies aren't used can increase sales a good clip.

Add 25% for having your own billing and another 75% for having little to no scrub whatsoever. But that 75% is going to be what can really kill you later. Though things seem to be working out just fine for certain companies that built their businesses on fucking over the surfer.

Glad you are seeing a nice increase. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Very true. If you price something ridiculously low people wonder why. Even going as far as to conspiracy theory it into maybe you are more about carding then selling porn.

That's what I've gathered. Might be news for any newcomers to the industry.

what is your email bro?

beaner lets work on some stuff chat on the pm. im not racial thats your nick

I will say this... I looked at your join forms after first attempt last month. Your process gave me some much needed inspiration to go back to drawing board, and redo the process.

It was obviously your merchant account, but also the simplicity. I knew, somewhere, the balance between design, and simplicity existed.

We've emailed in the past... also reply 50 I listed a good email to use. Hit me up for sure... I could at the least tell you what I did different from yours, food for thought type stuff. We are at right around 1:350 now converting... this was from 1:1000+/- just prior.

Yep sounds about right. And next thread will be abut how they need a new merchant account.

I was wondering this too, went to check out the site clicking through your youporn channel and it was a ccbill link going to a merchant account join page...

signed up to swirlsbucks via your ccbill join form here - http://saraswirls.com/swirlsbucks.php. does ccbill track my sales made through your no limits llc join form?

Can you send me an email? support at saraswirls

After CCBill signup you should receive a sliiing welcome email (check spam). That email has your login information to sliiing to see your stats. Affiliate money is now held in reserve and at the end of month webmaster checks will be used to pay affiliates. Once a month payments. That may increase to twice a month depending if needed or not.

So ...... she's back to using CCBill now enhanced with Sliiing, paying affiliates with Webmaster Checks and billing with No Limits LLC.

I'm so confused.

CCBill could be cut out of the equation all together. All that is doing is collecting their signup information. It is a matter of programming an affiliate signup process to work direct with sliiing at this point. On the to do list. We have not pushed for affiliates. If affiliates want to join, they do have the ability.
I suggest anyone with cuckold traffic give it a shot.

Well, despite my thoughts that the results for Saraswirls are likely a bit skewed because of the correlation with the sudden price drop, I am glad to hear that your efforts are paying off. And it is good to hear of a sponsor being proactive at working around the dreaded CCBill scrub.

Nah... I had 29.95 many times before. I do think anything $30 and over is too high for a monthly fee to a website though... most websites.

Another tip, anything under $25, imo, is too low. So take a site selling $15 monthly, increase that to $29.95 and you just doubled your income. You just need to have some class in how that is displayed, and also your join forms, which, unfortunately, with 3rd parties you have limited control over :(

Hey Beaner replied to you email. thanks

Yeah, netflix are fucking idiots.