When Did GFY Turn Into #GFYWarez? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mutt · 03-02-2003, 03:23 AM

this looks bad on everybody in this industry to have the most active board turning into a warez board. If there weren't content providers posting regularly I bet they'd start posting and trading content.

anybody who bitches about programs who shave and is a warez user you are a hypocrite. Once you're making $$$ in this business you are no longer Joe Surfer who likes to make wallpapers with a cracked version of Photoshop.

digihax · 03-02-2003, 03:27 AM

I second this notion ive seen alot of warez posts lately.. its quite discerning I mean these programmers spend alot of time and money programming this software the least you can do is buy it expecially if your making 50-100k or more a year from the use of it..

once again just my

take it or leave it.

pr0 · 03-02-2003, 03:29 AM

You shouldn't steal a tractor to start a farm, death to warez

galleryseek · 03-02-2003, 03:34 AM

well im definately not promoting warez... but i had a strong interest in computers ever since i was 12 / 13.. and i started off programming in VB.. and then got into graphics.... my parents never gave me money and i was obviously too young to work.. so i d/led the programs, and i got pretty damn good with them.. so w/ warez i didn't have to waste time at a college...

i dunno, i guess thats one of the few advantages of it atleast. heh.

Mutt · 03-02-2003, 03:43 AM

i made the point that there is a difference between kids and non business people using warez for their own enjoyment and education - strictly speaking it ain't right either but i think it works out well for the software companies like Adobe - my point is when you have an income over $50,000 a year, you should pay for the software that helps you make that income. You are a thief at this point. This just isn't in the online world, I can show you mainstream office after office running on bootleg software and multiple copies of one software package.

When i started out I had cracked Photoshop4, GifAnimator2, Illustrator, CuteFTP, ThumbsPlus, etc etc - now years later I only have registered Photoshop6, CuteFTP and Swish. That's all i have. I will buy Illustrator soon and FlashMX if I think i wanna give Flash another shot.

I have friends with hard drives full of every program imagineable that they offer to me. That's my moral line in the sand, if i make money off the software, I should buy it. If i'm messing around with it to learn or for fun - I'm not going to feel guilty about using
a warez version.

stocktrader23 · 03-02-2003, 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
i made the point that there is a difference between kids and non business people using warez for their own enjoyment and education - strictly speaking it ain't right either but i think it works out well for the software companies like Adobe - my point is when you have an income over $50,000 a year, you should pay for the software that helps you make that income. You are a thief at this point. This just isn't in the online world, I can show you mainstream office after office running on bootleg software and multiple copies of one software package.

When i started out I had cracked Photoshop4, GifAnimator2, Illustrator, CuteFTP, ThumbsPlus, etc etc - now years later I only have registered Photoshop6, CuteFTP and Swish. That's all i have. I will buy Illustrator soon and FlashMX if I think i wanna give Flash another shot.

I have friends with hard drives full of every program imagineable that they offer to me. That's my moral line in the sand, if i make money off the software, I should buy it. If i'm messing around with it to learn or for fun - I'm not going to feel guilty about using
a warez version.

Well said. I have bought one FTP program 5 fucking times because I formatted hard drives or lost the info. For a measly $30 who cares. That is their business just like the peoples here is content, paysites, tgp, or whatever. A non commercial user grabbing some prog to check out isn't the same as a business using stolen items to make money.

galleryseek · 03-02-2003, 03:48 AM

all true.

klik · 03-02-2003, 04:49 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
my point is when you have an income over $50,000 a year, you should pay for the software that helps you make that income. You are a thief at this point.

Please point me in the direction of this magical software that allows me to make $50,000 a year, and I will gladly pay whatever you ask.

I try before I buy... especially with software since the bitches at the store will never take software back when I try to return it unless it hasn't even been opened.
In a way.. the company actually finds a potential customer by letting us get our ahold of a free copy of something.

Kinda reminds me about all these password sites I see people complaining about... I think it's easily possible to pull alot of sales by circulating temporary or fake passwords to your pay site.. your pay site should be protected against those type of things anyway.. if they aren't its your fault.

Joe Sixpack · 03-02-2003, 04:50 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
this looks bad on everybody in this industry to have the most active board turning into a warez board. If there weren't content providers posting regularly I bet they'd start posting and trading content.

anybody who bitches about programs who shave and is a warez user you are a hypocrite. Once you're making $$$ in this business you are no longer Joe Surfer who likes to make wallpapers with a cracked version of Photoshop.

How many stolen MP3's or ripped movies do you own?

Mutt · 03-02-2003, 05:12 AM

No ripped movies, about 20 mp3 files.

difference is - I'm not going using them for profit of any kind. there is a difference.

Mutt · 03-02-2003, 05:20 AM

how much did u agree to pay Acacia DomainGirls? That was you referred to in the AVNOnline story no?

a webmaster who doesn't protect his site from password crackers is stupid but to say they deserve it or whatever is ridiculous. There is no software to stop the brute force attacks, Pennywize works after a successful attack to block access for the 'found' passwords, brute force attacks slow a server down for the paying members hurting your business.

Is your point that if there is a way to defend yourself against crime, no matter how expensive that defense is, the victim of the crime is to blame?

People should lock their doors but those who don't don't deserve to have some thief walk in an walk away with the TV set or to be hit over the head with a blunt object or raped.

KRL · 03-02-2003, 05:41 AM

Software companies have huge margins. I don't feel sorry for these guys that lose some of their profits to warez. No compassion for the music / movie biz either.

stocktrader23 · 03-02-2003, 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
Software companies have huge margins. I don't feel sorry for these guys that lose some of their profits to warez. No compassion for the music / movie biz either.

Adult webmasters usually have huge margins also. As for the music biz yes the record companies make a killing on record sales. But what about the artists that are already raped by the industry and raped again from freeloaders that can't shell out $15 for a form of entertainment that lasts much longer than a trip to the movies or the price of a meal.

Matt_WildCash · 03-02-2003, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
i made the point that there is a difference between kids and non business people using warez for their own enjoyment and education - strictly speaking it ain't right either but i think it works out well for the software companies like Adobe - my point is when you have an income over $50,000 a year, you should pay for the software that helps you make that income. You are a thief at this point. This just isn't in the online world, I can show you mainstream office after office running on bootleg software and multiple copies of one software package.

When i started out I had cracked Photoshop4, GifAnimator2, Illustrator, CuteFTP, ThumbsPlus, etc etc - now years later I only have registered Photoshop6, CuteFTP and Swish. That's all i have. I will buy Illustrator soon and FlashMX if I think i wanna give Flash another shot.

I have friends with hard drives full of every program imagineable that they offer to me. That's my moral line in the sand, if i make money off the software, I should buy it. If i'm messing around with it to learn or for fun - I'm not going to feel guilty about using
a warez version.

You want to know why businesses buy one piece of software and use it on mutliple machines?? Or use bootleg software?? Cause the damn Software companies want $1000's and $1000's for licences for each damn computer in the office.

I purchased all of my businesses software and yes I am guilty of using some of it on multiple machines, they make you rebuy the software at almost full retail just to upgrade from adobe 5-6 then 6-7 I mean screw doing that on 5 machines. If the software was more reasonably priced there would not be such a need for bootleg software.

Just my

stocktrader23 · 03-02-2003, 05:58 AM

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Originally posted by Driven

You want to know why businesses buy one piece of software and use it on mutliple machines?? Or use bootleg software?? Cause the damn Software companies want $1000's and $1000's for licences for each damn computer in the office.

I purchased all of my businesses software and yes I am guilty of using some of it on multiple machines, they make you rebuy the software at almost full retail just to upgrade from adobe 5-6 then 6-7 I mean screw doing that on 5 machines. If the software was more reasonably priced there would not be such a need for bootleg software.

Just my

Funny, last time I looked you could sell your products at whatever price you wanted. If you want a program bad enough to use it on 5 or 6 machines pay the price for it or don't use it.

gothweb · 03-02-2003, 06:06 AM

"I don't think the price is fair" is the lamest possible excuse for theft.

KRL · 03-02-2003, 06:08 AM

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Originally posted by Driven

You want to know why businesses buy one piece of software and use it on mutliple machines?? Or use bootleg software?? Cause the damn Software companies want $1000's and $1000's for licences for each damn computer in the office.

I purchased all of my businesses software and yes I am guilty of using some of it on multiple machines, they make you rebuy the software at almost full retail just to upgrade from adobe 5-6 then 6-7 I mean screw doing that on 5 machines. If the software was more reasonably priced there would not be such a need for bootleg software.

Just my

EXACTLY!

KRL · 03-02-2003, 06:11 AM

Well the biggest software guy on the planet Sir Bill can afford to give away BILLIONS he's taken out of all our pockets over the past 20 years, so as far as I can see warez isn't hurting the bottom line.

quiet · 03-02-2003, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by gothweb
"I don't think the price is fair" is the lamest possible excuse for theft.

stocktrader23 · 03-02-2003, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Driven

You want to know why businesses buy one piece of software and use it on mutliple machines?? Or use bootleg software?? Cause the damn Software companies want $1000's and $1000's for licences for each damn computer in the office.

I purchased all of my businesses software and yes I am guilty of using some of it on multiple machines, they make you rebuy the software at almost full retail just to upgrade from adobe 5-6 then 6-7 I mean screw doing that on 5 machines. If the software was more reasonably priced there would not be such a need for bootleg software.

Just my

What exactly is your business in the adult market?

[Labret] · 03-02-2003, 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
No ripped movies, about 20 mp3 files.

difference is - I'm not going using them for profit of any kind. there is a difference.

errr 90% of the people on here wont be making a profit either.

So because I suck at Photoshop and none of the crap I crank out on it is gonna help me make money, its ok that its a pirate copy?

nevermind · 03-02-2003, 06:26 AM

I think it's obvious that this place has been a bunch of thieves from the beginning ...

And you're surprized?

This place is nothing but a bunch of hackers, really.

If it reflects poorly on the industry well ... what else is new?

Quite frankly, after meeting a bunch of people in the industry ...
the bad repuation is well deserved.

And, the fact is, most people in this industry don't give a shit.

Gman.357 · 03-02-2003, 06:45 AM

All I'm gonna say about this shit is this...

I've seen Lens ban dudes for far less reasons. Talking shit for example. Yet when there's some downright illegal shit going on it goes on without any banning or deleted threads?

Hmmmm.

KRL · 03-02-2003, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nevermind
I think it's obvious that this place has been a bunch of thieves from the beginning ...

And you're surprized?

This place is nothing but a bunch of hackers, really.

If it reflects poorly on the industry well ... what else is new?

Quite frankly, after meeting a bunch of people in the industry ...
the bad repuation is well deserved.

And, the fact is, most people in this industry don't give a shit.

So true!

The online porn industry was founded pretty much with thieved content. It wouldn't be what it is today without the early pioneering thieves.

Joe Sixpack · 03-02-2003, 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by gothweb
"I don't think the price is fair" is the lamest possible excuse for theft.

What's the best?

Joe Sixpack · 03-02-2003, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
No ripped movies, about 20 mp3 files.

difference is - I'm not going using them for profit of any kind. there is a difference.

Theft is theft.

Your rationalisation is just details.

Gman.357 · 03-02-2003, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

What's the best?

The best would be you're a broke mutherfucker who can't use his food stamps to buy legit software.

gothweb · 03-02-2003, 06:55 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357
All I'm gonna say about this shit is this...

I've seen Lens ban dudes for far less reasons. Talking shit for example. Yet when there's some downright illegal shit going on it goes on without any banning or deleted threads?

Hmmmm.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that may be more interesting than you think... The fact that the admins here do monitor the board, and close threads, ban people, etc. is proof that they could do so in the case of illegal activity. That means they could be held liable for the crimes committed on the board.

KRL · 03-02-2003, 06:58 AM

Ah come on. How many companies big and small really can afford or want to pay to license Microsoft Office, for example, on every PC in their organization?

Babaganoosh · 03-02-2003, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Driven

You want to know why businesses buy one piece of software and use it on mutliple machines?? Or use bootleg software?? Cause the damn Software companies want $1000's and $1000's for licences for each damn computer in the office.

...

Just my

You're damned right.

I have always wanted a BMW M5 but they want several THOUSAND dollars for it. Since I doin't think I should have to pay that much, I will just steal one. That's okay, right?

Gman.357 · 03-02-2003, 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
Ah come on. How many companies big and small really can afford or want to pay to license Microsoft Office, for example, on every PC in their organization?

To be honest, I really DO NOT give a fuck. If someone wants to steal software, that's their business, and their problem. It means about as much to me as someone wanting to steal a ho-ho from the Quickie Mart.

But if you want software from a small US company, and the fuckin thing is just $40... do your little bit to support the fuckin economy and buy the goddamn thing. If you need it that bad, it's worth the money.

stocktrader23 · 03-02-2003, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

You're damned right.

I have always wanted a BMW M5 but they want several THOUSAND dollars for it. Since I doin't think I should have to pay that much, I will just steal one. That's okay, right?

I'm almost in the same boat. See I already have one but I want an upgraded model. Can you believe they want me to pay for upgrades! I'm just gonna hop the fence one night and grab everything that I don't have on mine. My wife wants one too so I'll just grab an extra while I'm there.

KRL · 03-02-2003, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

To be honest, I really DO NOT give a fuck. If someone wants to steal software, that's their business, and their problem. It means about as much to me as someone wanting to steal a ho-ho from the Quickie Mart.

But if you want software from a small US company, and the fuckin thing is just $40... do your little bit to support the fuckin economy and buy the goddamn thing. If you need it that bad, it's worth the money.

I agree people should pay, but the reality is most don't.

On the other hand, I've not met many poor software guys. They do ok and in most cases do really well, even if a lot of stuff goes out the back door on them.

quiet · 03-02-2003, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Ah come on. How many companies big and small really can afford or want to pay to license Microsoft Office, for example, on every PC in their organization?

yes, anything i can't afford, or don't want to pay - i just steal. word.

DjSap · 03-02-2003, 07:16 AM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

You're damned right.

I have always wanted a BMW M5 but they want several THOUSAND dollars for it. Since I doin't think I should have to pay that much, I will just steal one. That's okay, right?

Yes, as long as you won't be profiting from it it's ok, so don't go and become a pizza delivery boy...because then it would be wrong!

[Labret] · 03-02-2003, 07:40 AM

This thread made me feel bad so I registered a program I needed.

Not really, I just couldnt find the crack for it and I needed it pronto.

You win some you lose some.

03-02-2003, 03:23 AM	#1
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	When Did GFY Turn Into #GFYWarez? this looks bad on everybody in this industry to have the most active board turning into a warez board. If there weren't content providers posting regularly I bet they'd start posting and trading content. anybody who bitches about programs who shave and is a warez user you are a hypocrite. Once you're making $$$ in this business you are no longer Joe Surfer who likes to make wallpapers with a cracked version of Photoshop. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-02-2003, 03:43 AM	#5
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i made the point that there is a difference between kids and non business people using warez for their own enjoyment and education - strictly speaking it ain't right either but i think it works out well for the software companies like Adobe - my point is when you have an income over $50,000 a year, you should pay for the software that helps you make that income. You are a thief at this point. This just isn't in the online world, I can show you mainstream office after office running on bootleg software and multiple copies of one software package. When i started out I had cracked Photoshop4, GifAnimator2, Illustrator, CuteFTP, ThumbsPlus, etc etc - now years later I only have registered Photoshop6, CuteFTP and Swish. That's all i have. I will buy Illustrator soon and FlashMX if I think i wanna give Flash another shot. I have friends with hard drives full of every program imagineable that they offer to me. That's my moral line in the sand, if i make money off the software, I should buy it. If i'm messing around with it to learn or for fun - I'm not going to feel guilty about using a warez version. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-02-2003, 05:12 AM	#10
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	No ripped movies, about 20 mp3 files. difference is - I'm not going using them for profit of any kind. there is a difference. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-02-2003, 05:20 AM	#11
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	how much did u agree to pay Acacia DomainGirls? That was you referred to in the AVNOnline story no? a webmaster who doesn't protect his site from password crackers is stupid but to say they deserve it or whatever is ridiculous. There is no software to stop the brute force attacks, Pennywize works after a successful attack to block access for the 'found' passwords, brute force attacks slow a server down for the paying members hurting your business. Is your point that if there is a way to defend yourself against crime, no matter how expensive that defense is, the victim of the crime is to blame? People should lock their doors but those who don't don't deserve to have some thief walk in an walk away with the TV set or to be hit over the head with a blunt object or raped. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-02-2003, 05:41 AM	#12
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Software companies have huge margins. I don't feel sorry for these guys that lose some of their profits to warez. No compassion for the music / movie biz either. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

03-02-2003, 03:27 AM	#2
digihax So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 349	I second this notion ive seen alot of warez posts lately.. its quite discerning I mean these programmers spend alot of time and money programming this software the least you can do is buy it expecially if your making 50-100k or more a year from the use of it.. once again just my take it or leave it.

03-02-2003, 03:29 AM	#3
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	You shouldn't steal a tractor to start a farm, death to warez

03-02-2003, 03:34 AM	#4
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	well im definately not promoting warez... but i had a strong interest in computers ever since i was 12 / 13.. and i started off programming in VB.. and then got into graphics.... my parents never gave me money and i was obviously too young to work.. so i d/led the programs, and i got pretty damn good with them.. so w/ warez i didn't have to waste time at a college... i dunno, i guess thats one of the few advantages of it atleast. heh.

03-02-2003, 03:48 AM	#7
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	all true.

03-02-2003, 06:06 AM	#16
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	"I don't think the price is fair" is the lamest possible excuse for theft. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

03-02-2003, 06:11 AM	#18
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Well the biggest software guy on the planet Sir Bill can afford to give away BILLIONS he's taken out of all our pockets over the past 20 years, so as far as I can see warez isn't hurting the bottom line. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

03-02-2003, 06:26 AM	#22
nevermind Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 276	I think it's obvious that this place has been a bunch of thieves from the beginning ... And you're surprized? This place is nothing but a bunch of hackers, really. If it reflects poorly on the industry well ... what else is new? Quite frankly, after meeting a bunch of people in the industry ... the bad repuation is well deserved. And, the fact is, most people in this industry don't give a shit. Last edited by nevermind; 03-02-2003 at 06:28 AM..

03-02-2003, 06:45 AM	#23
Gman.357 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,796	All I'm gonna say about this shit is this... I've seen Lens ban dudes for far less reasons. Talking shit for example. Yet when there's some downright illegal shit going on it goes on without any banning or deleted threads? Hmmmm. __________________ Ouch.

03-02-2003, 06:58 AM	#29
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Ah come on. How many companies big and small really can afford or want to pay to license Microsoft Office, for example, on every PC in their organization? __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

03-02-2003, 07:40 AM	#36
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	This thread made me feel bad so I registered a program I needed. Not really, I just couldnt find the crack for it and I needed it pronto. You win some you lose some.