Lead Ammo Banned in California

[wehateporn]

Full story http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ition/2969497/


California is first state to ban lead in hunting ammo

"In a move to protect wildlife and the environment, California on Friday became the first state to ban lead in hunting ammunition.

The measure, signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown, phases out lead bullets and shot by July 2019, with regulations due by July 2015.

"Lead poses a danger to wildlife. This danger has been known for a long time," Brown wrote in a signing message, noting that a leading conservation wrote about lead poisoning in 1984. The federal government banned lead ammunition from waterfowl hunting in 1991.

The measure expands an earlier ban on lead hunting ammunition in California condor habitat. The new law covers all wildlife, including "game mammals, game birds, nongame birds and nongame mammals" such as coyotes.

"The risks to California's incredibly diverse wildlife are many," Brown wrote. "We must manage our state's wildlife for the use and enjoyment of all Californians. It is time to begin this transition and provide hunters with ammunition that will allow them to continue the conservation heritage of California."

Brown noted changes to the legislation that "better protect the hunting community," including authorizing the state's Fish & Wildlife director to suspend the ban if the federal government outlaws nonlead ammunition because it can pierce armor.

Supporters also said the ban would protect the health of hunters and their families.

"Switching to nontoxic lead ammunition will save the lives of eagles, condors and thousands of other birds every year ? and, importantly, will keep hunters and their families from being exposed to toxic lead," the Center for Biological Diversity said in a statement.

But the organization representing state game wardens had urged Brown to veto the lead ban.

"California Game Wardens are on the front line enforcing the ban on lead ammunition for most hunting in condor range. But there is insufficient data to justify such a drastic action across the entire state," the association's leadership wrote in a letter to the governor.

The bill was one of 11 gun-regulation measures the Democratic governor signed.

But Brown vetoed seven other firearms bills introduced in response to the Connecticut school massacre last December. The most controversial sought to ban the manufacture, sale and importation of semiautomatic combat-style rifles with detachable magazines."

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[marlboroack]

Fuck guns

[bronco67]

Don't shoot animals with lead. It might hurt them. Use rolled up yarn balls instead.

[MaDalton]

I would like to hear Vendzillas opinion on this...

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

I would like to hear Vendzillas opinion on this...

Wind farms killed 67 bald eagles in the last 5 years, this is just feel good bull shit

I don't hunt anymore, although I'm open to it in the future if something good comes up. Hunting in California is a pain in the ass anyways. Last few times I hunted it was for wild pig and I used hollow points in a 44 mag pistol. Nothing has the knock down power of a hollow point and they are made with lead. I wouldn't hunt bear without it.
The people that put this law together have never hunted.

[96ukssob]

If we can't stop you from buying guns, we'll just take away the ammunition

[geedub]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The people that put this law together have never hunted.

This would not surprise me.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wind farms killed 67 bald eagles in the last 5 years, this is just feel good bull shit

I don't hunt anymore, although I'm open to it in the future if something good comes up. Hunting in California is a pain in the ass anyways. Last few times I hunted it was for wild pig and I used hollow points in a 44 mag pistol. Nothing has the knock down power of a hollow point and they are made with lead. I wouldn't hunt bear without it.
The people that put this law together have never hunted.

Now put a solid steel tip into one of those.

It will go through the boar and out the other side and might hit something else. Depending on the trajectory it might even go though a school. ( not really but making a point )

Smart move on the part of Calif.

[geedub]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Now put a solid steel tip into one of those.

It will go through the boar and out the other side and might hit something else. Depending on the trajectory it might even go though a school. ( not really but making a point )

Smart move on the part of Calif.

You don't want it to pierce through perfectly, you want the mushroom action, it helps the animal die faster (bigger hole).

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wind farms killed 67 bald eagles in the last 5 years, this is just feel good bull shit

I don't hunt anymore, although I'm open to it in the future if something good comes up. Hunting in California is a pain in the ass anyways. Last few times I hunted it was for wild pig and I used hollow points in a 44 mag pistol. Nothing has the knock down power of a hollow point and they are made with lead. I wouldn't hunt bear without it.
The people that put this law together have never hunted.

this is exactly the answer i expected - thanks

[BAKO]

Leave the poor animals alone.

[CyberHustler]

'Merica!

[atom]

It has been illegal to use lead for birds in MN for a long time now.

Most hunters have chosen not to use it long before any law here went into effect. You want lead in a piece of meat you are going to be ingesting? Fuck no.

This is just a feel good story for the non hunting community.

[dyna mo]

usa banned lead paint in the 70s, shit still gets painted.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by atom

It has been illegal to use lead for birds in MN for a long time now.

Most hunters have chosen not to use it long before any law here went into effect. You want lead in a piece of meat you are going to be ingesting? Fuck no.

This is just a feel good story for the non hunting community.

Also lead fragments way to much and who wants to bite down on a piece of lead while eating dinner.

I don't hunt, only target shoot and the only lead ammo I've used in a long time is shotgun slugs.


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[baddog]

Fuck Jerry Brown

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by baddog

Fuck Jerry Brown

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wind farms killed 67 bald eagles in the last 5 years, this is just feel good bull shit

I don't hunt anymore, although I'm open to it in the future if something good comes up. Hunting in California is a pain in the ass anyways. Last few times I hunted it was for wild pig and I used hollow points in a 44 mag pistol. Nothing has the knock down power of a hollow point and they are made with lead. I wouldn't hunt bear without it.
The people that put this law together have never hunted.

Conservatives love endangered species, if it means they can find a reason to get rid of that evil green energy which is the scourge of mankind -- and oil companies. Otherwise, they wouldn't act like they even give a single fuck about a bald eagle.

[Rochard]

Of course lead is dangerous for animals. However, anything flying at three thousand feet per second is dangerous for animals.

(I was pretty close with that stat too, M4 is 2900 feet / second.)

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Conservatives love endangered species, if it means they can find a reason to get rid of that evil green energy which is the scourge of mankind -- and oil companies. Otherwise, they wouldn't act like they even give a single fuck about a bald eagle.

Richard Nixon, a Republican president, signed the U.S. Endangered Species Act into law.

Have you ever seen a Bald eagle in the wild, if not, shut the fuck up
I have seen California Condors in the wild, I have seen Bald Eagles
It's "THE" American bird you fucking retard!

If a Bald eagle dies, all the feathers have to be accounted for, it's illegal to own a bald eagle feather. You don't know a fucking thing!

I can't even begin to say just how fucking retarded you sound, Liberals by their very creed want to protect endangered species and Conservatives have always had hunters in their mind and Hunters have a respect for Nature. Saying Conservatives want nothing to do with protecting the Bald Eagle is fucking idiotic.

I will say that Liberals stopped a California company from cutting down a farm where a California paper company grew trees just for use in paper products. They said animals moved in. That closed down the paper company and put a lot of people out of work.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by baddog

Fuck Jerry Brown

On that we agree, Fuck Governor Moonbeam

[Fat Panda]

lead kills. it should be outlawed in ammo nationwide

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Richard Nixon, a Republican president, signed the U.S. Endangered Species Act into law.

Have you ever seen a Bald eagle in the wild, if not, shut the fuck up
I have seen California Condors in the wild, I have seen Bald Eagles
It's "THE" American bird you fucking retard!

If a Bald eagle dies, all the feathers have to be accounted for, it's illegal to own a bald eagle feather. You don't know a fucking thing!

I can't even begin to say just how fucking retarded you sound, Liberals by their very creed want to protect endangered species and Conservatives have always had hunters in their mind and Hunters have a respect for Nature. Saying Conservatives want nothing to do with protecting the Bald Eagle is fucking idiotic.

I will say that Liberals stopped a California company from cutting down a farm where a California paper company grew trees just for use in paper products. They said animals moved in. That closed down the paper company and put a lot of people out of work.

Conservatives were a very different breed back in Richard Nixon's day. Don't even try to say that the same people who don't care about anyone but their rich buddies and corporations give a fuck about any endangered species. It's all political rhetoric, and doesn't align one bit with their apparent value system. You just seem blind to conservative values.

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

If a Bald eagle dies, all the feathers have to be accounted for, it's illegal to own a bald eagle feather. You don't know a fucking thing!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_feather_law
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_saca...eathers&_frs=1

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wind farms killed 67 bald eagles in the last 5 years, this is just feel good bull shit

I don't hunt anymore, although I'm open to it in the future if something good comes up. Hunting in California is a pain in the ass anyways. Last few times I hunted it was for wild pig and I used hollow points in a 44 mag pistol. Nothing has the knock down power of a hollow point and they are made with lead. I wouldn't hunt bear without it.
The people that put this law together have never hunted.

http://www.kptv.com/story/23232623/l...rn-to-the-wild

http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/...xins/lead.html


since other birds/animals are obviously beneath you - here are a couple of bald eagles who suffered from oil spill

https://conservationreport.wordpress...spill-cleanup/

http://w.bird-rescue.org/Exxon_Valdez_spill_1989.html


man, you are so fucking predictable that it makes my skin crawl just reading your posts...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wind farms killed 67 bald eagles in the last 5 years, this is just feel good bull shit

I don't hunt anymore, although I'm open to it in the future if something good comes up. Hunting in California is a pain in the ass anyways. Last few times I hunted it was for wild pig and I used hollow points in a 44 mag pistol. Nothing has the knock down power of a hollow point and they are made with lead. I wouldn't hunt bear without it.
The people that put this law together have never hunted.

didn't republican backed DDT producers almost wipe out the species?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

http://www.kptv.com/story/23232623/l...rn-to-the-wild

http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/...xins/lead.html


since other birds/animals are obviously beneath you - here are a couple of bald eagles who suffered from oil spill

https://conservationreport.wordpress...spill-cleanup/

http://w.bird-rescue.org/Exxon_Valdez_spill_1989.html


man, you are so fucking predictable that it makes my skin crawl just reading your posts...

So I have a problem with windmills killing Bald Eagles and you somehow come up with me hating all other birds and thinking Oil is ok for killing birds?

I think your skin crawling is because of the drugs you are taking

[MaDalton]

the loud noise you hear is me banging my head on my desk..

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

didn't republican backed DDT producers almost wipe out the species?

Radical Republicans did, I don't back it. I know what it's like to live where your water comes from a well. There are too many good products for controlling insects

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Conservatives were a very different breed back in Richard Nixon's day. Don't even try to say that the same people who don't care about anyone but their rich buddies and corporations give a fuck about any endangered species. It's all political rhetoric, and doesn't align one bit with their apparent value system. You just seem blind to conservative values.

Republican Politicians have changed, that's the real reason why the Tea Party was started up, because Republican voters are still the same.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Radical Republicans did, I don't back it. I know what it's like to live where your water comes from a well. There are too many good products for controlling insects

not as profitable, alas lol

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_feather_law
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_saca...eathers&_frs=1

Nice try, but you may want to look a little closer, those are not eagle feathers. They are white turkey feathers as said in the description

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

not as profitable, alas lol

Companies making better insecticides are doing great

I don't think banning lead bullets is going to do much. There is too much shit out there that's going to kill them, like the meth labs located in the middle of no where dumping in the streams in the high hills. When I go up there, I don't drink the water because of that.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Richard Nixon, a Republican president, signed the U.S. Endangered Species Act into law.

Have you ever seen a Bald eagle in the wild, if not, shut the fuck up
I have seen California Condors in the wild, I have seen Bald Eagles
It's "THE" American bird you fucking retard!

If a Bald eagle dies, all the feathers have to be accounted for, it's illegal to own a bald eagle feather. You don't know a fucking thing!

I can't even begin to say just how fucking retarded you sound, Liberals by their very creed want to protect endangered species and Conservatives have always had hunters in their mind and Hunters have a respect for Nature. Saying Conservatives want nothing to do with protecting the Bald Eagle is fucking idiotic.

I will say that Liberals stopped a California company from cutting down a farm where a California paper company grew trees just for use in paper products. They said animals moved in. That closed down the paper company and put a lot of people out of work.

He is so off his rocker.

[CDSmith]

The loathing and contempt that Liberals and Conservatives in the US have for one another has gotten so bad over the last few decades that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was the thing that leads Americans to their second civil war.

Undoubtedly a lot of lead ammunition will be used in that conflict.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

The loathing and contempt that Liberals and Conservatives in the US have for one another has gotten so bad over the last few decades that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was the thing that leads Americans to their second civil war.

Undoubtedly a lot of lead ammunition will be used in that conflict.

It wasn't too bad till Bush went into a second war. That's where it started, before that people were doing ok here. Then Obama just makes it worse.
Jumps on the GOP for everything and blames Bush, he needs to work with the other side, Clinton did, Reagan did it.

Most rifles are made to use lead ammo, this is going to all but shut down hunting in California. Wild Pigs will be growing in size of herds and other parts of the country are already having a major problem with that.
Hunters do more for the conservation of wildlife than any group out there. Just the money from the Licenses goes a long way

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Don't shoot animals with lead. It might hurt them. Use rolled up yarn balls instead.

It's not that. It's the huge amount of bullets used and left over that end up on the ground, stuck in trees, and left in the animals that some hunters carve up and leave behind.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

He is so off his rocker.

OK Shit for Brains, what exactly am I off my rocker about?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wind farms killed 67 bald eagles in the last 5 years, this is just feel good bull shit

Lol. How did I know you would post about farms.

I don't hunt anymore, although I'm open to it in the future if something good comes up. Hunting in California is a pain in the ass anyways. Last few times I hunted it was for wild pig and I used hollow points in a 44 mag pistol. Nothing has the knock down power of a hollow point and they are made with lead. I wouldn't hunt bear without it.
The people that put this law together have never hunted.[/QUOTE]

You didn't read the article. It is NOTHING to do with hunting, EVERYTHING to do with Lead Poisoning of wildlife and the environment.

I can't wait for some dumb-as-fuck gun-sucking redneck to scream "Obamas comin' fer ma guns!" again while Wayne Lapierre jerks off into gun victims faces.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by **********

It's not that. It's the huge amount of bullets used and left over that end up on the ground, stuck in trees, and left in the animals that some hunters carve up and leave behind.

The ban is for hunting with lead, you're saying target practice with lead bullets into trees or left over at a target range is killing them too? See where I'm going?
Much more ammo is used for target shooting than hunting.

I'm waiting to hear them when they find out that some non lead ammo will go thru bullet proof vests

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by **********

You didn't read the article. It is NOTHING to do with hunting, EVERYTHING to do with Lead Poisoning of wildlife and the environment.
.

The OP is about hunting with lead ammo, what page are you on?

I can send you a copy of hooked on phonics if it will help?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by atom

It has been illegal to use lead for birds in MN for a long time now.

Most hunters have chosen not to use it long before any law here went into effect. You want lead in a piece of meat you are going to be ingesting? Fuck no.

This is just a feel good story for the non hunting community.

Yea it's really kind of a non issue but of course the wing nuts will try to make it one.. I always felt it was pretty fucking stupid to shoot something you planned on eating with lead..

[Vendzilla]

ok, done here, back to work.
This law isn't going to do much, it doesn't go into effect till 2019
If ammo makers don't make ammo that's non lead, the law dies and if the ammo is armor piercing it dies.
Anyways, unless you hunt, it doesn't effect you. More hunters will hunt outside the state so they can do things their way, like the porn industry with condoms in LA
This is like putting a condom on the barrel of your gun! Keeps the water out?

[sandman!]

dont matter to me dont live in cali

[Seth Manson]

Silver ammo was good enough for the Lone Ranger, so it's good enough for me.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

OK Shit for Brains, what exactly am I off my rocker about?

I thought you blocked me. Darn.

Nothing says "I have completely lost my mind" more than this statement: "Have you ever seen a Bald eagle in the wild, if not, shut the fuck up".

Anyone who says this is either under the age of 12 or between stays in a mental ward.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Copper jacketed soft steel core bullets and shot -- someone will make them.

_END_

[Barry-xlovecam]

"Have you ever seen a Bald eagle in the wild, if not, shut the fuck up".

Yep, in Northern California -- golden eagles up close and on the ground -- an american bald eagle in flight at a distance. They are huge beautiful birds -- I would never shoot one, law or not, there are some things to be respected -- eagles are one.

[KillerK]

Originally Posted by baddog

Fuck Jerry Brown

Are you older then him?

[AllAboutCams]

Ive eaten lead shot before its not like it does anything to me.