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DAMNMAN 10-14-2013 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by blackcrayon (Post 19832967)
true enough, with the money already spent via taxes all citizens should already be covered. Where is this money going and how is it being spent should be questioned by everyone.

Too many people don't want to have to pay more than "their share" meanwhile they would most likely pay less in taxes to support a universal healthcare system than what they are paying for healthcare insurance. I have been to the doctors like twice in the last ten years but am i bitter about having to pay taxes that goes to others healthcare all those years? No.

exactly!!!

baddog 10-14-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19833435)
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Here is summery of the republican suggested healthcare bill. It basically looks just like Obamacare without the mandate.
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The "mandate" is the problem. :2 cents:

tony286 10-14-2013 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19833794)
The "mandate" is the problem. :2 cents:

Theirs had a mandate also and Newt praised it saying personal responsibility.

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/31/149767...-mandate-first

_Richard_ 10-14-2013 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19832960)
There is no reason every citizen of the US shouldn't have health care. Especially since we are already paying for it as a nation.

As a nation we already spend more than any other country on health care! We spend more per capita than any other country. We spend more as percentage of our Gross Domestic Product than any other country.

We, the citizens of the United States already pay more for health care than any citizen of any other country and look at the mess we're in! Every one of us should take a long hard look at our elected "leaders" My advise? Reelect NO ONE.


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6014/o9m6.png


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... )_per_capita


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:thumbsup in statistical comparison, canadian healthcare helps more people for less money

since the us always likes doing bigger and better, we're interested to see what else you boys can come up with :thumbsup

baddog 10-14-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19833808)
Theirs had a mandate also and Newt praised it saying personal responsibility.

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/31/149767...-mandate-first

Well, it it is on the Internet it must be true . . . not sure how that changed the relevance of my comment though.

_Richard_ 10-14-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19833863)
Well, it it is on the Internet it must be true . . . not sure how that changed the relevance of my comment though.

you said the mandate was the problem. what you meant to say 'a mandate from a black man is the problem'

arock10 10-14-2013 09:28 AM

single payerrrrrr

L-Pink 10-14-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19833853)
:thumbsup in statistical comparison, canadian healthcare helps more people for less money

since the us always likes doing bigger and better, we're interested to see what else you boys can come up with :thumbsup

Why is cost or cost increases even an issue?

BOTH sides should be saying that since we already pay more per person than any other country. Since we are the smartest country, lead the world in technology, etc, bla bla bla ?.. Then coming up with a top level health plan for everyone should be easy. After all WE ARE ALREADY SPENDING MORE THAN EVERY OTHER COUNTRY!!!

I've concluded we're idiots for having idiots represent us and neither party gives a fuck.


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RandyRandy 10-14-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19833051)
Really:



And this from Canada:




NYC medical prices are 30% to 50% above the national average -- want to share how you paid only $50.00. And if you did -- who do you think pays the rest?

Sure. I live in Morris Park in the Bronx. Morris Park is known for 2 things: having a big Italian-American community (had the Columbus Day Parade yesterday with Chaz Palminteri as Grand Marshal) and having Montefiori Hospital and the Albert Einstein College of Medicine.

Every Saturday morning, they have free medical consultations, from 8am - 12 noon, for uninsured Bronx residents. The consultation is free, but you have to pay for tests, etc. in cash at cost. They said I needed an MRI of my knee, and refered me to Third Avenue Radiology and Imaging in the South Bronx. Got the MRI and paid cash, $50 which I'm guessing is their actual cost.

So, if MRIs (depending of course which type) really cost $50 - what is a fair price to charge? $500 (10x the amount) doesn't seem fair to me. Of course this is a business and you need to turn a profit. So is 3x fair? Like the way they mark up a bottle of wine in an upscale NYC restaurant?

To me therein lies the root of the problem. The medical arts should be considered a service first, not a business. But it's been that way for too long in the US and will be hard to change.

Maybe medicine should take a page from sports - instead of paying $500 million for the naming rights of a stadium, like AT&T did in Dallas, they could back research for breast cancer and the treatment would be called the AT&T cure for breast cancer.

For such an "advanced" country the US is the world's laughingstock when it comes to medical coverage (and a lot if other things lately).

blackmonsters 10-14-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19832960)
There is no reason every citizen of the US shouldn't have health care. Especially since we are already paying for it as a nation.

As a nation we already spend more than any other country on health care! We spend more per capita than any other country. We spend more as percentage of our Gross Domestic Product than any other country.

We, the citizens of the United States already pay more for health care than any citizen of any other country and look at the mess we're in! Every one of us should take a long hard look at our elected "leaders" My advise? Reelect NO ONE.


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6014/o9m6.png


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... )_per_capita


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If that chart is based on total population versus total cost then,
considering the number of Americans that have no health coverage at all; the per capita rate for American is way higher than that chart.

We have millions upon millions who get little or no medical treatment and their zero cost is
averaged in and weighed against countries where everyone is treated.

L-Pink 10-14-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19833950)
If that chart is based on total population versus total cost then,
considering the number of Americans that have no health coverage at all; the per capita rate for American is way higher than that chart.

We have millions upon millions who get little or no medical treatment and their zero cost is
averaged in and weighed against countries where everyone is treated.

That chart is per capita not per insured. Which brings up my original point, as a nation we are already spending way more per person and as a percent of our economy than other countries. SOOOOO, wake up politicians, do something!

Kolargol 10-14-2013 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 19833016)
100% true. They charge what they can get away with, especially when you have "insurance". I had MRIs and Xrays on my knee recently - done in The Bronx, paying cash. $40 for the xray, $50 for the MRI, but I had to shop around, or I would have paid much more.

These prices don't make any sense. It takes usually about 1 minute to write a report on knee xray for a junior radiologist. Senior consultant radiologist will write a knee MRI report in 15 minutes. Also MRI machine cost probably 10 times more than XRAY machine. There is just no way these two exams could cost the same.

Rochard 10-14-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19834036)
That chart is per capita not per insured. Which brings up my original point, as a nation we are already spending way more per person and as a percent of our economy than other countries. SOOOOO, wake up politicians, do something!

The problem is the healthcare companies get a huge chunk of that money.

RandyRandy 10-14-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 19834048)
These prices don't make any sense. It takes usually about 1 minute to write a report on knee xray for a junior radiologist. Senior consultant radiologist will write a knee MRI report in 15 minutes. Also MRI machine cost probably 10 times more than XRAY machine. There is just no way these two exams could cost the same.


So maybe I overpaid on the xray if true cost of an MRI is $50. They were done months apart in different locations (but both in the Bronx).


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