OK I understood about 3% of all that above. LOL That's why I like Robbie's K.I.S.S. approach. I have a mobile design for www.erosexotica.com but the "PC" version displays well on most devices, including tablets, so I don't even bother with re-directing to the mobile design. Wrong move?

Ty for explanation

I used to redirect to the mobile site.

But since the advent of tablets becoming so popular...the Android users were pissed off.

Their tablets are HUGE and flash works just fine on them. They wanted the full "normal" site and not the stripped down mobile site.

So I got rid of the redirect.

And I just went "old school" and put a link to the mobile site on the tour.
That solved that problem and stopped the complaints.

http://claudia-marie.com/tour/ Look at the nav bar at the top. There is a link for the mobile site.

Simple, but effective and works across all platforms. lol

I like "old school" sometimes because most people (people who BUY) are old school to some extent. Nice solution!

I like simple and effective because I'm simple. Still working on the effective part tho....:D

it does doesn't it? I tell girls just to use their phones :2 cents:

Does CM bring in more of an older mature customer base? I would factor in that older surfers are slower adapters to the tablets and smart phones. I know for Karups OW, we do the most technical support for the older members who are not that proficient with computers. We are just starting in the last year to see a rise of these members starting to use the iPad, and emailing asking us how to make it work etc.

I was more inclined to get a mobile version up but honestly browser architecture for mobile has sort of killed it for me. You can download Dolphin browser for iPhone or Android and mimic iphone, android, desktop or even customize it.

I think the more popular Dolphin and alike will be,(btw it's pretty damn popular) strict mobile and responsive design will be less important.

Except maybe for the wap payment on mobile. Cool feature but it isn't available everywhere and may become less so due to the ability for kids to just click a button.

Who knows. I do have mobile payment options and that has definitely picked up.

Paully

Its extremely expensive to have it done and complicated. I got 3 quotes and all of them were 5 figures.
And its extremely difficult to learn to program mobile. I dont want to have to learn Objective C or Java.
I took a class on PhoneGap and it was hard as fuck. and Titanium is even worse.

I could go to elance/oDesk etc and have Indians do a shitty job, but no thanks. And if I did outsource and I needed to update or change something It would be very hard to do so.

Nobody is going to browse the internet on their phones! Don't be silly.

can i borrow a million dollars?

As a once in a while Xoom user, yep. I did not really like looking at my own site's mobile version.

This thread is interesting :pimp

Also, I think now that the Galaxy note and similar fecking phablets along with higher resolution and just an overall better image are going to make their way, even the best responsive designs are gonna die out before not too long.

Html5 and css3 was a pretty big jump and for good reason but people and tech don't always move that fast. Still the most viewable media is a flash player with mp4 video. Mac guys have lots of workarounds and are usually pretty tech savvy.

Hate to think I'm leaving money on the table but for the head aches, not sure it's worth it. Maybe I just missed the boat.

Paully

No, mostly younger guys...early 20's to mid 40's are the majority of her members. I talk to most of them online (we are like a mini-social network in the members area), and they post their own pics in their profiles in the members area for her to see too. And I can't think off the top of my head of any "older" members (60 years old and older).

Kinda surprising to me that your Karups Older Women site would be getting older guys though. My experience in selling mature porn on Grampland.Com has been that the younger guys with "mommy" fantasies are the ones who really like the old women (older than CM that is...she's 39)

Also, it always seemed like the dirty old men who bought the teen stuff.

Kind of like the reverse of what they are is what they want. lol

The only thing I could ever figure about that over the years was: Young guys can pick up young women all the time at clubs. And old men are usually married to old women.

So when they fantasize...it's about the women they DON'T usually get.
That's my theory anyway.

I really like what Michael P did with ZTOD.com. Have you seen it?

As a former webmaster of one of Sean's sites, I agree with him. I'm constantly amazed how many program owners still question whether mobile is important or not.

The president of Time Warner and the president of Sky UK are both pouring money into mobile. They have said, it's the single biggest return on investment for relatively little money (The Economist July 2013)

I've seen one program owner generate 33% more revenue from rebills after launching a mobile version.

Another Alexa 12k site I worked on grew by over 100% within 2 months of refining the mobile experience. All organic. The mobile traffic eclipsed desktop in less than a year.

Great - want to work with me on my mobile sites?
Oh wait, I can't afford you. :D

Pretty soon it will be browsing the internet with watches :)

even if it did there would just be illegal streaming sites up instead. piracy problems don't go away, they just find new ways to deliver. You just have to find ways to earn in spite of that.

Adaptive designs are where its at. Not dedicated mobile sites.

And for the love of God, please let mobile users select the desktop version of your site if that is what they want. Nothing more frustrating to me than being forced to use the mobile version on a tablet.

Agreed. I should have clarified. i didn't mean MOBILE sites as much as I meant adaptive/responsive site. IE if you visit it on a computer, ipad or iphone it looks great

The problem, as I see it, is as soon as you go responsive what happens when new devices, OS, tablet hybrids, etc emerge? The race to force new tech down our throats every six months is beginning to reach overwhelm and I see a backlash coming.

This reminds me of when I used to design 8 different websites for 8 different browsers. LOL Fun times.

you adapt as best you can

Watches are pretty much becoming obsolete, so no this most likely won't happen. :error

Obviously you don't understand what responsive/adaptive actually means. You should go to a conference, or read a book.

I think her point was how smart watches are going to be the next way.

Thats the beauty of responsive designs less worrying about these things.

Read into it.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll try that new fangled thing called 'reading' sometime.

Oh for sure Karups OW has a lot of younger members with the fantasy of cougars/teachers etc. But compared to Karups Hometown Amateurs or Karups Private Collection, the site has a big base of older members, which seems to result in less mobile users than the other two sites.

Hit me up, we can do it for way cheaper than that. We can make all the sites responsive so regardless of device it's optimized and always stays on one URL. No m.sitename.com or anything.

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I knew you got it, you were always ahead of the curve on those types of things. :thumbsup

Even still, in 2013 I see people asking about developing standalone mobile sites. If you already have them there is nothing wrong with keeping them, but if you're going mobile in the future it should be responsive. Apparently a lot of people (in mainstream, too... perhaps more so there) don't even know that is an option.

Ipad site
Iphone Site
its all huge now

Certain people are killing it with Ipad targetted banners

adaptive/responsive sites

I think are hard to make tours.

Because surfers can open non mobile versions of the site with their mobile devices?

Doesn't mean it works or is remotely optimized for a phone user.

Have Flash on your website? Welp that doesn't translate to mobile.

I thought only crapple mobile devices did not support flash (they are notorious for making life of their users as hard as possible).

Anyway in many cases not optimized regular version of the site is still better or on par than not full mobile version.

It's not just them. Flash doesn't have a high mobile adoption rate in general. Apple was smart to leave it out as it forced lazy webmasters to adapt better streaming solutions. Best solution to reach the most users is to have a responsive site, HTML5 player and MP4 as the default stream.

Anything after Jelly Bean on Android OS no longer supports Flash. HTML5 all the way.