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MaDalton 10-08-2013 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19826948)
I know someone who just spent $280 on a new turntable.. seems to me that back in the 80's a pretty nice turntable was only a hundred bucks or so.
Technics 1210 MKII was about 500-600 Euro here - the only turntable i ever took seriously (as a former DJ)

Minte 10-08-2013 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19826723)
EXACTLY.

Automation and globalization have created a situation where we can make more than we need by utilizing many less people than we already have in the workforce. Until society comes to grip with this new fact, all the rest is pointless. People wll be unemployed even if they are smart, hardworking, professionals with a great attitude... it's not about being a freeloader anymore. What do we do with them? Wars don't kill massive amounts of people, plagues don't either. We're going to have standard unemployment of 25+ percent in this century, not the 5-8 percent it used to be historically. That doesn't suddenly make those other 16 or 20% of people bums and idiots. The best ideas I've found are shortening the full time work week so more people are employed to do fewer jobs and everyone has more time off (aka a 30 hour work week) or significant tax credits for one parent in a household with kids to stay home. Essentially making room in the workforce by having society pay people to stay home and raise their kids not to be criminals. It's a big problem and one that will continue accelerating until we have less than 10 percent of the whole population working. The rest will all be done by automation and improved efficiency.

As to music specifically, check out what Neil Young is doing. He is starting a high end music distribution site because most people these days have gotten used to heavily compressed music. Even if you have great speakers, playing files from iTunes through them defeats the purpose.
I had to go and Google when Vonnegut wrote Player Piano.. it was 1952. The man was a visionary at how closely he called out what the future would be like. I remember reading it in the 1970's and even then I didn't believe it. Yet here we are.


Edit: I bet money that Obama read it.

Axzar 10-08-2013 10:08 AM
I used to work in an AV store. Went back to visit and to my surprise, there is no more car audio department. Gone! I was blown away.

mrpornoporn 10-08-2013 10:17 AM
the good old stuff's the best. Old school amps, turntables (always kinda old school), cassette decks, love this shit. Have not a sinlge mp3 on my computer (i think) :thumbsup

dyna mo 10-08-2013 11:10 AM
i used to claim i was an audiophile, that's pretty much what it is right, a claim? lolz.

anyhoo, fun times with macintosh, nakamichi, thorenz, i forget the rest.

but yeah, adios.

i did do myself a favor a while back and put a dac preamp in-between my computer and my behringer active truth studio monitors- i actually prefer the audio from a monitor over a loudspeaker, but i'm a former audiophile you know. i *believe* i noticed an overall increase in the quality of the audio.

perhaps give a dac preamp a whirl if you haven't yet, maybe they put it on some sound cards these days, not sure.

Minte 10-08-2013 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19827176)
i used to claim i was an audiophile, that's pretty much what it is right, a claim? lolz.

anyhoo, fun times with macintosh, nakamichi, thorenz, i forget the rest.

but yeah, adios.

i did do myself a favor a while back and put a dac preamp in-between my computer and my behringer active truth studio monitors- i actually prefer the audio from a monitor over a loudspeaker, but i'm a former audiophile you know. i *believe* i noticed an overall increase in the quality of the audio.

perhaps give a dac preamp a whirl if you haven't yet, maybe they put it on some sound cards these days, not sure.
If you had to scotchtape a penny on the tonearm, you probably weren't an audiophile.

JFK 10-08-2013 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AVN Theo (Post 19826754)
audiophiles love this phase since they can pickup some great equipment for dirty cheap
indeed, about 3 new places opened here at flea markets dealing in the stuff:thumbsup

dyna mo 10-08-2013 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19827280)
If you had to scotchtape a penny on the tonearm, you probably weren't an audiophile.
we're both prolly of that age group that caught a pretty cool tech wave. my first phonograph was my older sister's and pink. it only played 45's which we had to insert the adapter (or not!) to get the 45 to play, i'm pretty sure 1 of those was the bay city rollers.



but i graduated from there to pioneer i think, then later to the thorenz, which was pretty nice.

have you seen the captain kirk douglas gibson?

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/deta...FXBo7AodxVwAIg

http://www.premierguitar.com/ext/res...KirkSG_WEB.jpg

Rochard 10-08-2013 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 19826958)
Actually, plenty of careers have ended or at the very least been interrupted due to change in technology and trends over the past 15 years.

What makes you think the guys who were working in home stereo 15 years ago are the same people now responsible for smart phones and all the new sound tech we have today? In many or even most cases, they aren't.
If they failed to keep up with technology, yes, they are out of a job. But if they kept up with the technology there is more work than ever - instead of designing just stereos, there is so much more to design.

ErectMedia 10-08-2013 02:35 PM
still have a decent stereo but mainly just for movies as computer has good speakers hooked up so use that mainly for tunes while I'm working

SilentKnight 10-08-2013 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19827343)
but i graduated from there to pioneer i think, then later to the thorenz, which was pretty nice.
Thorens was a sweet turntable back in the day.

I upgraded to one from a Technics SLQ2 sometime in the 80s.

dyna mo 10-08-2013 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19827397)
Thorens was a sweet turntable back in the day.

I upgraded to one from a Technics SLQ2 sometime in the 80s.
ah, with an s, that's right, the model i had was their entry level or close to it, nothing fancy, maybe in the $500 range in the late 1980s. can't recall the cartridge(s) i used back then, they were pricey too but i think i recall some high-value cartridges in the upper $100 range that i liked. what were the speakers i liked back then?>...............tannoy? wharfedale???????is that right........hmmm,

Vendzilla 10-08-2013 03:18 PM
I remember the Teac X10R reel to reel. I bought in Japan for $500 and sold it 10 years later for more than that. I think you could fit 18 hours of music on it

Minte 10-08-2013 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19827343)
we're both prolly of that age group that caught a pretty cool tech wave. my first phonograph was my older sister's and pink. it only played 45's which we had to insert the adapter (or not!) to get the 45 to play, i'm pretty sure 1 of those was the bay city rollers.



but i graduated from there to pioneer i think, then later to the thorenz, which was pretty nice.

have you seen the captain kirk douglas gibson?

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/deta...FXBo7AodxVwAIg

http://www.premierguitar.com/ext/res...KirkSG_WEB.jpg
NO,,I didn't see that..
I'm not looking either. Hot honeymoon with the new LP R9
The tone of this thing is exactly what I've been hunting for. I did some recording with it last weekend during a practice session. As soon as I figure out how to upload to youtube I'll post it.

dyna mo 10-08-2013 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19827439)
NO,,I didn't see that..
I'm not looking either. Hot honeymoon with the new LP R9
The tone of this thing is exactly what I've been hunting for. I did some recording with it last weekend during a practice session. As soon as I figure out how to upload to youtube I'll post it.
right on.

yah, not looking either, especially at gibson eh, :) but it's a neat deal they did on this guitar, the wiring on it is pretty trick.

Minte 10-08-2013 04:30 PM


This is just a practice session (so it's NOT perfect) in dorian mode key of D with the new LP R9. It was a one through, but I liked the tone so much on this I saved it. At about the 3 minute mark there is a harmonic thing that is just the left hand on the fret board. It almost sounds like a cello.
I tried to do the same technique on some of my other highend guitars and couldn't do it.

The amp is the Mustang I.. I'm not real sophisticated. I have jam tracks recorded on my computer and play those back through the computer speakers then just plug into an amp normally, then record it all with a ZOOM digital recorder.


edit: youtube is really a pain

fuzebox 10-08-2013 05:28 PM
A couple years ago I had a good receiver, speakers, etc... After moving into a new place last week and starting from scratch, I decided fuck it and bought a Bose soundbar. Now I stream mp3s through my boxee and apple tv...

Tom_PM 10-08-2013 06:24 PM
I'm not talking about a high end turntable, maybe I should have specified that. He spent 280 bucks on a turntable that would have cost 100 in the early 80's. I was trying to say that it seems to be more of a specialized market with some nice markups.

SilentKnight 10-08-2013 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19826734)
It's good that a few boutique manufacturers are still out there. I admit, It's been years since I could call myself an audiophile, but I did not know a single name on that list.
Likewise, been years since I've considered myself somewhat of an audiophile, but I recognized McIntosh (great amps) and Thiel (speakers).

Not on the list was Infinity speaker systems. I recall back in the day they made one of the most badass speakers systems - the Reference Standard III. $30k for the system...and you needed a forklift to move'em around. :1orglaugh


http://www.voltiaudio.com/images/new.../billhero1.jpg

SilentKnight 10-08-2013 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19827419)
ah, with an s, that's right, the model i had was their entry level or close to it, nothing fancy, maybe in the $500 range in the late 1980s. can't recall the cartridge(s) i used back then, they were pricey too but i think i recall some high-value cartridges in the upper $100 range that i liked. what were the speakers i liked back then?>...............tannoy? wharfedale???????is that right........hmmm,
Wharfdales, yeah...a buddy had a sweet-sounding pair of those I recall.

Likewise, the Thorens I had was around the same price range. I had a Stanton cartridge in it. So long ago...can't remember the specs or prices.

dyna mo 10-08-2013 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19827468)


This is just a practice session (so it's NOT perfect) in dorian mode key of D with the new LP R9. It was a one through, but I liked the tone so much on this I saved it. At about the 3 minute mark there is a harmonic thing that is just the left hand on the fret board. It almost sounds like a cello.
I tried to do the same technique on some of my other highend guitars and couldn't do it.

The amp is the Mustang I.. I'm not real sophisticated. I have jam tracks recorded on my computer and play those back through the computer speakers then just plug into an amp normally, then record it all with a ZOOM digital recorder.


edit: youtube is really a pain
dang, that sounds real good Minte. i caught that harmonic, you carried that out for quite awhiel eh. i liked the tones right after that, 3:30-~4, nice too.

so that is the dorian mode with you jamming it in a jazz interpretation in D?

i'm glad you got that guitar man- enjoy! i'm beginningto understand that *oh yah, there it is* guitar

MaDalton 10-08-2013 06:38 PM
i worked as sound engineer, 95% of the stuff the so called audiophiles get excited about, is complete nonsense from a physical point of view

and the older you get, the less frequencies you can hear anyways

SilentKnight 10-08-2013 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19827589)
and the older you get, the less frequencies you can hear anyways
I lost a few frequencies after a Van Halen concert at Maple Leaf Gardens in 1984. :1orglaugh

MaDalton 10-08-2013 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19827592)
I lost a few frequencies after a Van Halen concert at Maple Leaf Gardens in 1984. :1orglaugh
i am still surprised that i got out of my job and 10 years of hard rock band without any significant hearing problems

but we had a colleague that was totally deaf on certain frequencies around 4-6khz - very annoying when you had monitor feedback and he simply didnt hear it :1orglaugh

SilentKnight 10-08-2013 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19827602)
i am still surprised that i got out of my job and 10 years of hard rock band without any significant hearing problems

but we had a colleague that was totally deaf on certain frequencies around 4-6khz - very annoying when you had monitor feedback and he simply didnt hear it :1orglaugh
Judging by the 'music' (sic) my 19yr old daughter listens to...I'm looking forward to the onset of deafness.

Minte 10-08-2013 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19827585)
dang, that sounds real good Minte. i caught that harmonic, you carried that out for quite awhiel eh. i liked the tones right after that, 3:30-~4, nice too.

so that is the dorian mode with you jamming it in a jazz interpretation in D?

i'm glad you got that guitar man- enjoy! i'm beginningto understand that *oh yah, there it is* guitar
I would say it's an eclectic jazz version in D..with strong influence of Joe Satriani.
Of all the *power* players I like the way he rolls down the neck. He is so fluid on the transitions and that's something I am really working on.

Minte 10-09-2013 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19827576)
Likewise, been years since I've considered myself somewhat of an audiophile, but I recognized McIntosh (great amps) and Thiel (speakers).

Not on the list was Infinity speaker systems. I recall back in the day they made one of the most badass speakers systems - the Reference Standard III. $30k for the system...and you needed a forklift to move'em around. :1orglaugh


http://www.voltiaudio.com/images/new.../billhero1.jpg
Those were the days! I remember the first time I listened to Bose 901's..was the Dark Side Of THe Moon and it was amazing.

BareBacked 10-09-2013 11:38 AM
I love sonos. Best of both worlds

SBJ 10-09-2013 06:37 PM
I've had one "home stereo system" in my life but 5 or 6 home theater receivers since. When I was 14 (1984) I worked my first job and took out a $1,000 loan for a Sansui stereo that had
1000 watt amp
A linear turntable
14 band EQ (7 per side)
digital tuner
dual cassette player
remote control

and these exact speakers
http://www.picturevip.com/images/2930032127.jpg

After this I got into LaserDisc players and surround sound and later DVD and blu ray.

I would say that home "stereo's" have went to the waste side but replaced with home theater systems. I know I would be lost without my 6.1 receiver and bose dual cube surround with powered sub. I can patch my iPad into my receiver when I want to listen to music.

mineistaken 10-09-2013 06:48 PM
You mean CD players are death? Because stereo systems is needed to listen to digital music in the same way. Back in the day you listened stereo system hooked with CD player, now you listen stereo system hooked with digital player or computer.

BaldBastard 10-09-2013 09:48 PM
Just threw out my old stereo out today, was a mixed system costing many many thousands and in the bin it fucking went.

Replaced with a SONOS step up

For those that are saying they cant be arsed putting old music on to a digital format.. you don't really need to at all unless its some obscure album you have, I must of ripped about 300 of my cds before I figured.. why? Its all on demand now with sites like SongL and that streams straight to Sonos, there's a few million albums at your fingertips.

Since I found DI.fm, I have not brought a CD, Goa trance all day here. :)

The problem with not buying music by CD, Record or Tape, is back when we did that, whatever song you brought the album for.. there was always that track on side B, that no one really knew about that was always better than all the rest, and those were the tracks that really hooked you into groups.

Sonos is awesome! check it out
http://www.sonos.com/

get a Play5 first, then just start adding, I have a full setup now, its bliss for my deaf ears hehe

iwantchixx 10-09-2013 10:33 PM
I find stuff from 95-forward is pretty much garbage now in terms of speakers on the market unless you're getting into $1500 pairs, and even then, most don't have that warm natural sound when guitar-driven music is put through them. Ya can't beat large paper.. thus, until I can afford the $1500 expenditure on the dual 10" setup I want.. my single 10" per side 198o's mint Toshiba 727's will do. Mind you, put through a more modern amp with a modern subwoofer and modern center channel, but the difference when using big paper where guitar music is involved.. is remarkable.

That's why guitar amps employ paper cones, as well. They just plain sound better and more natural.

InfoGuy 10-10-2013 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19826392)
I'm surprised Krell Industries isn't on the list. It's one of the biggest US manufacturers of high end solid state audio equipment.

Choopa_Pardo 10-10-2013 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 19825627)
I store all my music as 320kb mp3s and cant tell a huge difference from cds, but I still hook my computers into home theater receivers using hdmi. There's no reason you can't have good quality sound just because you enjoy the convenience of mp3s or flac.
Seconded.

InfoGuy 10-10-2013 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19827576)
Likewise, been years since I've considered myself somewhat of an audiophile, but I recognized McIntosh (great amps) and Thiel (speakers).

Not on the list was Infinity speaker systems. I recall back in the day they made one of the most badass speakers systems - the Reference Standard III. $30k for the system...and you needed a forklift to move'em around. :1orglaugh


http://www.voltiaudio.com/images/new.../billhero1.jpg
The Apogee Acoustics Grands ($85,000 20 years ago) are full range ribbons with subwoofers that sound better than the Infinity Reference.

http://www.stereophile.com/images/im.../1341grand.jpg


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