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10-05-2013, 04:39 AM

I was sentenced to probation. The probation officer is going to make me to do a treatment program. This is NOT in the order of probation or any of the paperwork. Can they make me to do a treatment program??

Just looking for opinions since I can't really go and see a lawyer.
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10-05-2013, 04:49 AM

What's is the probation period for getting caught masturbating in a McDonalds?
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10-05-2013, 04:50 AM

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What's is the probation period for getting caught masturbating in a McDonalds?

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10-05-2013, 05:00 AM

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What's is the probation period for getting caught masturbating in a McDonalds?

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10-05-2013, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by MrMaxwell

I was sentenced to probation. The probation officer is going to make me to do a treatment program. This is NOT in the order of probation or any of the paperwork. Can they make me to do a treatment program??

Just looking for opinions since I can't really go and see a lawyer.

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10-05-2013, 10:07 AM

you are on probation

and you want to argue?
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10-05-2013, 10:13 AM

I'm sure there are some level 80s from world of Warcraft hear that can answer

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10-05-2013, 10:23 AM

I was sentenced to a drug diversion program once (Just weed, nothing else..) but I didn't go and had to go back to court. I was high in court and didn't know what to say, so I said "They wouldn't let me register."... This somehow confused the court and they threw it out and I left with nothing on my record.
The best part is that the cops and mayor that I passed while leaving said "I'm glad you're not smoking anymore, Mike"

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10-05-2013, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Colmike7

I was sentenced to a drug diversion program once (Just weed, nothing else..) but I didn't go and had to go back to court. I was high in court and didn't know what to say, so I said "They wouldn't let me register."... This somehow confused the court and they threw it out and I left with nothing on my record.
The best part is that the cops and mayor that I passed while leaving said "I'm glad you're not smoking anymore, Mike"

I wouldn't recommend that, though..

that is funny

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10-05-2013, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Colmike7

I was sentenced to a drug diversion program once (Just weed, nothing else..) but I didn't go and had to go back to court. I was high in court and didn't know what to say, so I said "They wouldn't let me register."... This somehow confused the court and they threw it out and I left with nothing on my record.
The best part is that the cops and mayor that I passed while leaving said "I'm glad you're not smoking anymore, Mike"

I wouldn't recommend that, though..

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10-05-2013, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by MrMaxwell

I was sentenced to probation. The probation officer is going to make me to do a treatment program. This is NOT in the order of probation or any of the paperwork. Can they make me to do a treatment program??

Just looking for opinions since I can't really go and see a lawyer.

If the treatment program was NOT ordered by the court as a condition of probation then you are NOT obligated to do it.

Your probation officer WILL threaten to violate you on this point and you WILL need to have your lawyer act on your behalf (a simple phone call from them to your PO should be all that is needed).

You WILL need a lawyer for this. Probation officers will NOT accept your word even if you are correct about something. They do not exist to help you - they exist to make your life hell and sometimes being in jail is more pleasant than living under the thumb of some uneducated asshole with a chip on their shoulder who by default hates you.

PM me if you would like more info not published in a public forum because any information can and will be used against you should it be found to be useful to law enforcement - Good luck!

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10-05-2013, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by MrMaxwell

I was sentenced to probation. The probation officer is going to make me to do a treatment program. This is NOT in the order of probation or any of the paperwork. Can they make me to do a treatment program??

Just looking for opinions since I can't really go and see a lawyer.

They can make you do anything they want outside of anal sex. You are wasting your time fighting it and if you do.. you might be seeing more shit added to it.
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10-05-2013, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by JockoHomo

If the treatment program was NOT ordered by the court as a condition of probation then you are NOT obligated to do it.

Your probation officer WILL threaten to violate you on this point and you WILL need to have your lawyer act on your behalf (a simple phone call from them to your PO should be all that is needed).

You WILL need a lawyer for this. Probation officers will NOT accept your word even if you are correct about something. They do not exist to help you - they exist to make your life hell and sometimes being in jail is more pleasant than living under the thumb of some uneducated asshole with a chip on their shoulder who by default hates you.

PM me if you would like more info not published in a public forum because any information can and will be used against you should it be found to be useful to law enforcement - Good luck!

umm.. most will not talk to lawyers if on their case load and this is really fucking horrible advice.
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10-05-2013, 01:34 PM

Depends on the state, can always check out LegalZoom.com
https://www.legalzoom.com/attorneys-...plans/personal

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10-05-2013, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by MyLiveCamShow

Depends on the state, can always check out LegalZoom.com
https://www.legalzoom.com/attorneys-...plans/personal

Legal Zoom is for civil matters, not criminal law. Holy shit... To the OP, you're looking in the wrong place for advice on this.. lol.

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10-05-2013, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by madeofmoney

umm.. most will not talk to lawyers if on their case load and this is really fucking horrible advice.

Umm..sure they WILL and NOT it's not...realistic and practical actually.
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10-05-2013, 04:37 PM

Did the probation officer ask you to sign up online XYZTreatmentProgram.com/affiliate-officer2564

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10-05-2013, 04:42 PM

I remember a person I know that recently died just after turning 30 from sleeping pills and alcohol, managed to plea a sentence down to weekend jail.
He managed to fuck that up and got sentenced full time. He deserved it.
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10-05-2013, 05:10 PM

this is coming from someone with a deep hatred of police, courts, probation service, the whole 'system' - stfu and do your fucking time, in whatever form it is.

Nothing worse than a whiny ass fuck that got caught doing whatever it was, and outside of murder, rape, extreme violence etc fair play if you wanna do whatever it is you did, but jeez man up and take what comes your way when you get caught.

Part of probation is doing shit they make you do even if it's hanging about like a cunt while they are 20 minutes late for every appointment - it's the way the system works, and you know it. Grow some balls, it's embarrassing reading your shit like you can't handle it.

And give up whatever it is you got caught for, assuming it's different to the drink-driving you were whining about last time I was stupid enough to click one of your threads - you sound like the kind of bloke who will last about 9 days in prison.
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10-05-2013, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by JockoHomo

sometimes being in jail is more pleasant than living under the thumb of some uneducated asshole with a chip on their shoulder who by default hates you.

Biggest load of shit I've heard from you yet. You have to be pretty fucking backwards to not see/feel/understand the difference between loss of liberty, and having some cunt on your case x hours per week.

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10-05-2013, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by JockoHomo

Umm..sure they WILL and NOT it's not...realistic and practical actually.

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10-06-2013, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by madeofmoney

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10-06-2013, 02:19 AM

It seems if it is not court ordered or included as a requirement for your probation then I can't see how he can make you go, but as was suggested I would have a lawyer talk to him about it in order to get out of it.

That said, if it were me personally I would ask him why he thinks I need this since it wasn't court ordered. By doing this you can tell if he is just busting your balls or trying to help you. If he thinks you have a problem, maybe a treatment program isn't such a bad idea.
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10-06-2013, 03:29 AM

I will re-inforce. If it isn't court ordered you don't have to do it. (been there) and even if it is court ordered-you might not have to do it. (just got lucky) The court sends celebs to jail on DUIs for 90 days and they are out in 2.

However MFM is right - most civilian servants won't make time for your lawyer - I would recommend you always have your shit together - for each meeting you might have after sentencing with anybody outside of counsel so that you can refer to THEIR OWN paperwork. They are 99.5% more likely to believe something in black and white than they are some person across the desk from them... so just be ready to show them where it said x days and not this or that.
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10-06-2013, 03:31 AM

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10-06-2013, 10:03 AM

You should just ask for a treatment program you might meet a nice girl in there

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10-06-2013, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by JockoHomo

If the treatment program was NOT ordered by the court as a condition of probation then you are NOT obligated to do it.

Your probation officer WILL threaten to violate you on this point and you WILL need to have your lawyer act on your behalf (a simple phone call from them to your PO should be all that is needed).

You WILL need a lawyer for this. Probation officers will NOT accept your word even if you are correct about something. They do not exist to help you - they exist to make your life hell and sometimes being in jail is more pleasant than living under the thumb of some uneducated asshole with a chip on their shoulder who by default hates you.

PM me if you would like more info not published in a public forum because any information can and will be used against you should it be found to be useful to law enforcement - Good luck!

Interestingly enough, my probation officer seems like a very good guy... We talked for three hours last time I was there, about my past and my future goals. I know it could just be a trap act, but, that is pretty convincing.. I think?

My thought is, well, while on probation they pretty much own me since I am poor. But, if he forces me to do it, and it is not ordered.. I could make a record of that on my case file some way, right? And then ask for compensation later or to be made whole ... after I am no longer in bondage??

Does that sound like a reasonable course of action?
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10-06-2013, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Jel

this is coming from someone with a deep hatred of police, courts, probation service, the whole 'system' - stfu and do your fucking time, in whatever form it is.

Nothing worse than a whiny ass fuck that got caught doing whatever it was, and outside of murder, rape, extreme violence etc fair play if you wanna do whatever it is you did, but jeez man up and take what comes your way when you get caught.

Part of probation is doing shit they make you do even if it's hanging about like a cunt while they are 20 minutes late for every appointment - it's the way the system works, and you know it. Grow some balls, it's embarrassing reading your shit like you can't handle it.

And give up whatever it is you got caught for, assuming it's different to the drink-driving you were whining about last time I was stupid enough to click one of your threads - you sound like the kind of bloke who will last about 9 days in prison.

I hope you don't mean that I have a deep hatred of police or judges or whatever else.. I get along fine with most judges and officers.. I am manning up and taking care of my cases and there are no new ones.
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10-07-2013, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by MrMaxwell

Interestingly enough, my probation officer seems like a very good guy... We talked for three hours last time I was there, about my past and my future goals. I know it could just be a trap act, but, that is pretty convincing.. I think?

My thought is, well, while on probation they pretty much own me since I am poor. But, if he forces me to do it, and it is not ordered.. I could make a record of that on my case file some way, right? And then ask for compensation later or to be made whole ... after I am no longer in bondage??

Does that sound like a reasonable course of action?

This would happen only if you could find a lawyer who would be willing to take on that case. Since you had no money you will be willing to find one that will do it for a piece of whatever you win. That is going to be hard to find.

Have you tried saying to your PO, "I didn't think treatment was court ordered." Then seeing what he says?
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10-07-2013, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by MrMaxwell

Interestingly enough, my probation officer seems like a very good guy... We talked for three hours last time I was there, about my past and my future goals. I know it could just be a trap act, but, that is pretty convincing.. I think?

My thought is, well, while on probation they pretty much own me since I am poor. But, if he forces me to do it, and it is not ordered.. I could make a record of that on my case file some way, right? And then ask for compensation later or to be made whole ... after I am no longer in bondage??

Does that sound like a reasonable course of action?

No, it doesn't. If I were you I would do what the guy asks and don't make any waves. Probation is a privilege and you could be spending time in jail instead of a free man.
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10-07-2013, 02:30 AM

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