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10-01-2013, 06:44 PM

In the 2 years after Obama was elected and the democrats controlled the house and the senate, you guys got:

- Wall street reform
- Credit Card reform
- Student loan reform
- Health care reform
- Fair Pay Act
- Expended G.I. Bill
- Expanded National Civilian service coprs
- Fair Sentencing act (sentencing disparity between crack vs powered cocaine)
- 9/11 First Responders Bill
- Hate Crimes Act
- Ratified Start Treaty (Between US and Russia on Nukes)
- Repealed "Don't ask,Don't tell"
- Cash for Clunkers
- Created and deployed the largest middle class tax cuts ever

All of the above was done between 2009 and 2011 until John Boener and republicans took control of the house for the first time in years.

Since then, no signifiant bills have been passed into law.
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10-01-2013, 06:52 PM

That's because they don't believe in anything except making sure all of their big business buddies pay lower taxes -- and making sure every precious miracle has the right to get shat out into an environment where they can't be cared for.
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10-01-2013, 06:53 PM

What significant bills did the Dems get passed?
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10-01-2013, 06:55 PM

the history of bipartisanship.

the fact it gets an interactive timeline at the center for bipartisanship of the times it's happened in the last 200+ years , i think it's safe to say it's uncommon in american politics and in fact, rare and momentous.

http://bipartisanpolicy.org/bipartisanship/timeline

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10-01-2013, 06:58 PM

Fuck off numbnuts.
Our government has been taken over by foreign banks. We do not have a Republic anymore. Talking about this guy, that guy or an "Election Party" is futile.
We need to wake up and take this country back to the constitution.

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10-01-2013, 07:02 PM

hey op, can you fill me in on the credit card reform you mentioned? i'm not seeing any changes around that.

fill me in!
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10-01-2013, 07:41 PM

The credit card reform had to do with confusing teaser rate terms and regular rates that were amazingly high, as well as clear billing cycles and keeping late fees reasonable. It was all the news at the time.

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10-01-2013, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by baddog

What significant bills did the Dems get passed?

Originally posted by MarkPrince

In the 2 years after Obama was elected and the democrats controlled the house and the senate, you guys got:

- Wall street reform
- Credit Card reform
- Student loan reform
- Health care reform
- Fair Pay Act
- Expended G.I. Bill
- Expanded National Civilian service coprs
- Fair Sentencing act (sentencing disparity between crack vs powered cocaine)
- 9/11 First Responders Bill
- Hate Crimes Act
- Ratified Start Treaty (Between US and Russia on Nukes)
- Repealed "Don't ask,Don't tell"
- Cash for Clunkers
- Created and deployed the largest middle class tax cuts ever

All of the above was done between 2009 and 2011 until John Boener and republicans took control of the house for the first time in years.

Since then, no signifiant bills have been passed into law.
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10-01-2013, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by epitome

You don't get it either, Protoplasm. Arguing "A" points won't fix "THE" point.
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10-01-2013, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Tom_PM

The credit card reform had to do with confusing teaser rate terms and regular rates that were amazingly high, as well as clear billing cycles and keeping late fees reasonable. It was all the news at the time.

i remember all of that. there was a lot more even. just like the healthcare reform (not sure if you are trying to get insurance today) the first day of obamacare, but it's not clear cut and the actual impact is not necc seen if one is not looking for it.

so i was hoping the op could clarify the terms of the legislation.
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10-01-2013, 08:46 PM

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10-01-2013, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by baddog

What significant bills did the Dems get passed?

Here ya go

- Wall street reform
- Credit Card reform
- Student loan reform
- Health care reform
- Fair Pay Act
- Expended G.I. Bill
- Expanded National Civilian service coprs
- Fair Sentencing act (sentencing disparity between crack vs powered cocaine)
- 9/11 First Responders Bill
- Hate Crimes Act
- Ratified Start Treaty (Between US and Russia on Nukes)
- Repealed "Don't ask,Don't tell"
- Cash for Clunkers
- Created and deployed the largest middle class tax cuts ever

Originally posted by noshit

Fuck off numbnuts.
Our government has been taken over by foreign banks.

Originally posted by noshit

We do not have a Republic anymore. Talking about this guy, that guy or an "Election Party" is futile.

No, it's not. The constitution makes sure that no matter what, people are guaranteed the right to vote. People who try to convince you not to vote, don't want you to vote. People who try to take away voting rights or make it harder for people to vote, don't want them to vote. See?

Originally posted by noshit

We need to wake up and take this country back to the constitution.

I agree! Start with Obamacare. Obama won the election based in part on the affordable care act. He passed it legally and the supreme court, who are sworn to uphold the constitution, said it did not violate the constitution. Whats the issue?

Originally posted by dyna mo

hey op, can you fill me in on the credit card reform you mentioned? i'm not seeing any changes around that.

fill me in!

Here ya go : http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.uscongress/legislation.111hr627

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10-01-2013, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by noshit

You don't get it either, Protoplasm. Arguing "A" points won't fix "THE" point.

Thanks . . . for the daft, think "significant."

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10-02-2013, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by baddog

What significant bills did the Dems get passed?

Reading isn't your strong point I guess..

As for what the Republicans have done.. They have whined endlessly about bengazi, managed to have the US drop from a triple a credit rating costing Americans millions of dollars in higher rates and managed to shut down the govt making sure over 800k Americans and counting don't get a paycheck for the fore seeable future.

Hey lets not stop at federal employees because state employees are also being sent home and they aren't counted in the 800k. Neither are employees of private businesses that service the govt.

Oh I'd also like to toss Boener a personal Fuck You very much, for ruining my planned drive of the skyline highway in VA.

Btw have republicans passed even a single important bill or law in the last few years?

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10-02-2013, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by crockett

Oh I'd also like to toss Boener a personal Fuck You very much, for ruining my planned drive of the skyline highway in VA.

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10-02-2013, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

Here ya go : http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.uscongress/legislation.111hr627

finding links is easy. i'm asking you to explain what you are posting about. what is significant about that legislation.

after you fill us all in on that, i'll have a few more you can expertly fill us all in on, you know, since you seem to think you know what's up and all.

here's your chance, show off your intellect of usa politics, like you did with your knowledge of bipartisanship in us congress.
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10-02-2013, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by crockett

Reading isn't your strong point I guess..

As for what the Republicans have done.. They have whined endlessly about bengazi,

I'm not sure why you feel that abandoning American Diplomats to be murdered is not a big deal... had that been some special interest group murdered, like blacks or gays, I'm sure you would have had plenty of indignation, just like I'm sure the Obama administration would have prevented the murders...

'managed to have the US drop from a triple a credit rating costing Americans millions of dollars in higher rates '

not thinking it's the republicans that spent 'trillions' of dollars since Obama came into office.... nice try though

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10-02-2013, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by crockett

Reading isn't your strong point I guess..

As for what the Republicans have done.. They have whined endlessly about bengazi, managed to have the US drop from a triple a credit rating costing Americans millions of dollars in higher rates and managed to shut down the govt making sure over 800k Americans and counting don't get a paycheck for the fore seeable future.

Hey lets not stop at federal employees because state employees are also being sent home and they aren't counted in the 800k. Neither are employees of private businesses that service the govt.

Oh I'd also like to toss Boener a personal Fuck You very much, for ruining my planned drive of the skyline highway in VA.

Btw have republicans passed even a single important bill or law in the last few years?

So anything that's gone right is because of obama and everything that's wrong is because of the republicans.. What are you going to do when obama is done?
He's not going to get crowned King..and in a few years he's out.

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10-02-2013, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

In the 2 years after Obama was elected and the democrats controlled the house and the senate, you guys got:

- Wall street reform
- Credit Card reform
- Student loan reform
- Health care reform
- Fair Pay Act
- Expended G.I. Bill
- Expanded National Civilian service coprs
- Fair Sentencing act (sentencing disparity between crack vs powered cocaine)
- 9/11 First Responders Bill
- Hate Crimes Act
- Ratified Start Treaty (Between US and Russia on Nukes)
- Repealed "Don't ask,Don't tell"
- Cash for Clunkers
- Created and deployed the largest middle class tax cuts ever

All of the above was done between 2009 and 2011 until John Boener and republicans took control of the house for the first time in years.

Since then, no signifiant bills have been passed into law.

well done to obama then, and his cabinet of course.

bush wrote off the clean air and water act on his very first day, something that clinton had enacted. bush did so much damage to the united states, we don't need to go over it, and its not fair, because he will live on for many many years yet rather than all the other people who are dead, suffering or who are alive, struggling rather than suffering. what about all these war veterans, they should know by now they were sent off to war to make money.
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10-02-2013, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Minte

So anything that's gone right is because of obama and everything that's wrong is because of the republicans.. What are you going to do when obama is done?
He's not going to get crowned King..and in a few years he's out.

If a Republican gets back in(highly unlikely), do you think things will get better, since they're the ones who ran the country into the ground in the first place? Sure, people who make over a certain amount of money will benefit, and we all know that trickle down economics works -- wink wink.
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10-02-2013, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by bronco67

If a Republican gets back in(highly unlikely), do you think things will get better, since they're the ones who ran the country into the ground in the first place? Sure, people who make over a certain amount of money will benefit, and we all know that trickle down economics works -- wink wink.

it will happen. i think it could be as early as next time round too. but please not portman, senator rob portman. portman scares the living shit out of me and i read online he is actually responsible for the large united states deficit when it began earlier on in the bush era. which, an era, i think is still in fruition almost fourteen years down the track with terrorism and that has to say a lot about obama.

i am not an american, but i don't necessarily care as much as i am just interested and participate in any discussion. i won't at any time say i have all the answers.
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10-02-2013, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Minte

So anything that's gone right is because of obama and everything that's wrong is because of the republicans.. What are you going to do when obama is done?
He's not going to get crowned King..and in a few years he's out.

He listed several things that democrats got done while they had control of congress. You seem to share the lack of reading ability as baddog..

But since you asked, Id say that it shows Obama, Congress and the Senate were able to get things done up until republicans took over the house.

So yea now that nothing is getting done I think its very easy to say its republicans to blame...

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10-02-2013, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by crockett

He listed several things that democrats got done while they had control of congress. You seem to share the lack of reading ability as baddog..

But since you asked, Id say that it shows Obama, Congress and the Senate were able to get things done up until republicans took over the house.

So yea now that nothing is getting done I think its very easy to say its republicans to blame...

Yeah, they did actually get a lot of things done, and some that are pretty noteworthy. And its even more impressive in comparison to what the Republican controlled House has done -- which is almost nothing, unless you count trying to symbolically repeal a law 40 times and get all up in women's business.

I doubt if any of the naysayers could even look at this list and muster up a basic acknowledgement that they achieved something. It goes against their biology, and it's the same problem this faction in the House has right now -- the unwillingness to bend or play along. They want a total obliteration of the system. John Boehner deserves a little sympathy for trying to wrangle these punks -- who are newcomers and have no business trying to throw a wrench into the works.

If you want to change the country to your dystopian paradise where there's no government, immigrants or atheists -- then get the people on your side and win an election. Then you can blow it all up. Until then they should shut up and play the game.

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10-02-2013, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by winter_

it will happen. i think it could be as early as next time round too. but please not portman, senator rob portman. portman scares the living shit out of me and i read online he is actually responsible for the large united states deficit when it began earlier on in the bush era. which, an era, i think is still in fruition almost fourteen years down the track with terrorism and that has to say a lot about obama.

i am not an american, but i don't necessarily care as much as i am just interested and participate in any discussion. i won't at any time say i have all the answers.

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10-02-2013, 11:34 AM

Oh yeah Cash for Clunkers and DADT were so significant.

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10-02-2013, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

finding links is easy. i'm asking you to explain what you are posting about. what is significant about that legislation.

after you fill us all in on that, i'll have a few more you can expertly fill us all in on, you know, since you seem to think you know what's up and all.

here's your chance, show off your intellect of usa politics, like you did with your knowledge of bipartisanship in us congress.

I don't pretend to know anything about US politics. My question was to compare what seems to be alot of progress before Boehner took the gavel vs what was accomplished afterwards.
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10-02-2013, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by winter_

well done to obama then, and his cabinet of course.

bush wrote off the clean air and water act on his very first day, something that clinton had enacted. bush did so much damage to the united states, we don't need to go over it, and its not fair, because he will live on for many many years yet rather than all the other people who are dead, suffering or who are alive, struggling rather than suffering. what about all these war veterans, they should know by now they were sent off to war to make money.

You are 99% right. Bush was a prick and abolishing the clean air act was stupid mistake. I think it was Cheeny who pushed it through though. Not sure..

Just one small mistake. The clean Air act was actually put in place back in 1972 by President Nixon, not Clinton. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Water_Act.
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10-02-2013, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by baddog

Oh yeah Cash for Clunkers and DADT were so significant.

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It was significant. When it came out it raised car sales by 26%. It was responsible for 700,000 new cars sold and $2.8 Billion in sales, boosting GM and other car company sales, something that was desperately needed at the time.
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10-02-2013, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

In the 2 years after Obama was elected and the democrats controlled the house and the senate, you guys got:

- Wall street reform
- Health care reform
- Hate Crimes Act
- Created and deployed the largest middle class tax cuts ever

All of the above was done between 2009 and 2011 until John Boener and republicans took control of the house for the first time in years.

Since then, no signifiant bills have been passed into law.

Wall Street reform was chipped away to pretty much lose all of it's bite before it was enacted.

The Jury is still out on Health Care reform, the only thing certain is Medical prices have not gone down, Insurance premiums and taxes have gone up.

Hate Crimes act is nothing more than feel good nonsense, it is no more or less heinous a thing to assault someone for being gay, than it is because you don't like their smile.

In case some are not paying attention the Obama tax breaks for the middle class expired right after he got his second term, this was the same time the Payroll tax break from Bush also expired, effectively raising taxes on everyone.

So yep all these are significant, but lets not confuse significant with good for the country

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10-02-2013, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

It was significant. When it came out it raised car sales by 26%. It was responsible for 700,000 new cars sold and $2.8 Billion in sales, boosting GM and other car company sales, something that was desperately needed at the time.

Cost us $3 billion and benefited Japan and Korea car manufacturers

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/...57P5C220090826

http://news.yahoo.com/why-cash-clunk...024848694.html
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10-02-2013, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by noshit

Fuck off numbnuts.
Our government has been taken over by foreign banks. We do not have a Republic anymore. Talking about this guy, that guy or an "Election Party" is futile.
We need to wake up and take this country back to the constitution.

Canada will be one of the last to go but you need to do the same, Mr. Canadian.

our government of 13 years got overthrown because 'someone was corrupt'

now, all of a sudden, we can't create enough free trade agreements, and statements that Palestine should just die quiet and slow

its already happened

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10-02-2013, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by L-Pink

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Yea, I did the Mohawk Trail last weekend and wanted to hit the skyline on my way to FL, but that didn't happen.

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10-02-2013, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Cost us $3 billion and benefited Japan and Korea car manufacturers

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/...57P5C220090826

http://news.yahoo.com/why-cash-clunk...024848694.html

You're totally missing the point, but oh well.
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10-02-2013, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

You're totally missing the point, but oh well.

Oh, what was your point? That it was not a failure? Didn't accomplish what it set out to do; cost 3 times as much as expected.
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10-02-2013, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by crockett

He listed several things that democrats got done while they had control of congress. You seem to share the lack of reading ability as baddog..

But since you asked, Id say that it shows Obama, Congress and the Senate were able to get things done up until republicans took over the house.

So yea now that nothing is getting done I think its very easy to say its republicans to blame...

I've asked this before but never get an answer.

Why are all you ultra-liberal internet intellectuals always at best lower middle class and in reality broke losers living from paycheck to paycheck. Why haven't any of you been able to harness that superior intellect and turn it into real success?

There's definitely a pattern here. My guess is that you care so much about these handouts from the government because your worlds are very fragile and on the verge of collapse without them.

Let's see what your reading comprehension does with my question and my conclusion.

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10-02-2013, 05:03 PM

You want someone to answer "why are all you ultra-liberal internet intellectuals always at best lower middle class and in reality broke losers living from paycheck to paycheck?"

This is a "not sure if serious" moment.

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10-02-2013, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Tom_PM

You want someone to answer "why are all you ultra-liberal internet intellectuals always at best lower middle class and in reality broke losers living from paycheck to paycheck?"

This is a "not sure if serious" moment.

Why are all you ultra-liberal internet intellectuals always at best lower middle class and in reality broke losers living from paycheck to paycheck. Why haven't any of you been able to harness that superior intellect and turn it into real success?

The bolded part that you ignored is the question.
Obviously, there is this entire group of you people that are superior intellects.

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10-02-2013, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Oh, what was your point? That it was not a failure? Didn't accomplish what it set out to do; cost 3 times as much as expected.

It's ok, forget it.
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10-02-2013, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by Minte

I've asked this before but never get an answer.

Why are all you ultra-liberal internet intellectuals always at best lower middle class and in reality broke losers living from paycheck to paycheck. Why haven't any of you been able to harness that superior intellect and turn it into real success?

There's definitely a pattern here. My guess is that you care so much about these handouts from the government because your worlds are very fragile and on the verge of collapse without them.

Let's see what your reading comprehension does with my question and my conclusion.

Why is it all you ultra-conservative internet heroes always need to cry about liberals this and liberals that, then tell us how much better you are than everyone else? If you are so above them, why is it they bother you so much?

As for ultra-liberals.. I can't tell you why anyone does anything.. I'm not a ultra liberal, what ever that is and I don't live paycheck to paycheck and I've almost always worked for myself, so I can't tell you why others do what they do. Personally, I value my free time much more than expensive cars, houses or big bank accounts.

I've owned several businesses in my life and I've had good and bad ones at that. Personally I value my freedom to do what I want, when I want vs being tied down running a business. I also get bored pretty easy and usually change what I do every 4 or 5 years. I just call republicans out for their bullshit because they have done far too much to destroy this country. Democrats are nowhere near the threat that republicans are to completely fucking up this country as they are trying so hard to do.

If that makes me some ultra liberal, whelp so be it...

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10-02-2013, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Minte

Why are all you ultra-liberal internet intellectuals always at best lower middle class and in reality broke losers living from paycheck to paycheck. Why haven't any of you been able to harness that superior intellect and turn it into real success?

The bolded part that you ignored is the question.
Obviously, there is this entire group of you people that are superior intellects.

Since you are so apt to judge others biased on what you feel their social status is.. Why not tell us.. Did daddy give you a silver spoon or are you one of these I did everything myself and owe no one types?

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10-02-2013, 05:28 PM

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Why is it all you ultra-conservative internet heroes always need to cry about liberals this and liberals that, then tell us how much better you are than everyone else? If you are so above them, why is it they bother you so much?

As for ultra-liberals.. I can't tell you why anyone does anything.. I'm not a ultra liberal, what ever that is and I don't live paycheck to paycheck and I've almost always worked for myself, so I can't tell you why others do what they do. Personally, I value my free time much more than expensive cars, houses or big bank accounts.

I've owned several businesses in my life and I've had good and bad ones at that. Personally I value my freedom to do what I want, when I want vs being tied down running a business. I also get bored pretty easy and usually change what I do every 4 or 5 years. I just call republicans out for their bullshit because they have done far too much to destroy this country. Democrats are nowhere near the threat that republicans are to completely fucking up this country as they are trying so hard to do.

If that makes me some ultra liberal, whelp so be it...

Yes, of course.. how very noble.
You must be the Kerouac of the 21st century.

But you stated that my reading comprehension is inferior. That suggests you are superior to me, baddog and anyone that disagrees. So the question remains. Why haven't you turned that superior intellect into real success. It should be easy for you.

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10-02-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Minte

Why are all you ultra-liberal internet intellectuals always at best lower middle class and in reality broke losers living from paycheck to paycheck. Why haven't any of you been able to harness that superior intellect and turn it into real success?The bolded part that you ignored is the question. Obviously, there is this entire group of you people that are superior intellects.

You do realize the wealthiest people in this country are ultra-liberal intellectuals, right? Gates and Buffet are awfully wealthy and it would be hard to argue they lack intellect.

Neither conservatives nor liberals are inherently more intellectual or more successful. In a sane era the two differ on many things but find ways to compromise for the greater good. That's why we live in a country that has a strong military AND environmentally protected national parks, rather than a country that has only one or the other. Things go poorly when either side deems the other to be less able as a gross generalization rather than remembering that some liberals and some conservatives are unsuccessful idiots, while others from either philosophical viewpoint can be plenty successful and quite smart.

Backward poor uneducated Midwestern conservatives are just as unsuccessful and unintellectual as backward poor uneducated liberals from coastal States. The same parity exists between successful intelligent liberals and conservatives. What does tend to differ demographically more than anything else is their starting status at birth. You'll find people who got a strong head start tend to be the same ones who conservatively favor the status quo... while people who started off in the penalty box tend to want to shake up the way the system works.

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10-02-2013, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Minte

Yes, of course.. how very noble.
You must be the Kerouac of the 21st century.

But you stated that my reading comprehension is inferior. That suggests you are superior to me, baddog and anyone that disagrees. So the question remains. Why haven't you turned that superior intellect into real success. It should be easy for you.

See that's why you can't see the Forrest for the trees. Your mindset is so wrapped up on the only form of success as in how much money someone can make.. Meanwhile I've played the make money game, but it never did anything for me.. Success to me is me traveling around the US in my Syncro next year seeing what I want to see and doing what I want to do..

I know, I know I don't have a big water fountain, but I'm sure I can live with out that... So silver spoon, or do everything yourself?

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10-02-2013, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Relentless

You do realize the wealthiest people in this country are ultra-liberal intellectuals, right? Gates and Buffet are awfully wealthy and it would be hard to argue they lack intellect.

Neither conservatives nor liberals are inherently more intellectual or more successful. In a sane era the two differ on many things but find ways to compromise for the greater good. That's why we live in a country that has a strong military AND environmentally protected national parks, rather than a country that has only one or the other. Things go poorly when either side deems the other to be less able as a gross generalization rather than remembering that some liberals and some conservatives are unsuccessful idiots, while others from either philosophical viewpoint can be plenty successful and quite smart.

Backward poor uneducated Midwestern conservatives are just as unsuccessful and unintellectual as backward poor uneducated liberals from coastal States. The same parity exists between successful intelligent liberals and conservatives. What does tend to differ demographically more than anything else is their starting status at birth. You'll find people who got a strong head start tend to be the same ones who conservatively favor the status quo... while people who started off in the penalty box tend to want to shake up the way the system works.

They are now that they achieved amazing success. They enjoy being philanthropists.
We'll never know how they were in their youth, But I would venture to say, that neither of them spent a lot of time thinking about how to make the world a better place.
They thought about how to become rich and powerful.

However, neither of them are here being insulting or arrogant.

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10-02-2013, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by crockett

See that's why you can't see the Forrest for the trees. Your mindset is so wrapped up on the only form of success as in how much money someone can make.. Meanwhile I've played the make money game, but it never did anything for me.. Success to me is me traveling around the US in my Syncro next year seeing what I want to see and doing what I want to do..

I know, I know I don't have a big water fountain, but I'm sure I can live with out that... So silver spoon, or do everything yourself?

I see the forest perfectly.
And I always smile when I hear someone give me their definition of success when it's anything but making money and enjoying the lifestyle that goes with it.

One thing I learned early on ..success is never forgiven.

silver spoon or everything myself.. neither. I have made a career out of surrounding myself with very talented people.. And I don't manage them. They manage themselves.

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10-02-2013, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Minte

I see the forest perfectly.
And I always smile when I hear someone give me their definition of success when it's anything but making money and enjoying the lifestyle that goes with it.

One thing I learned early on ..success is never forgiven.

silver spoon or everything myself.. neither. I have made a career out of surrounding myself with very talented people.. And I don't manage them. They manage themselves.

So silver spoon it was.. Hey I won't fault you for doing well with daddy's money, not everyone whom gets a easy ride can also do well with it. However don't be so arrogant as to assume you have a clue as to what it's like to build a business from nothing with nothing or that everyone has the same wants and desires as you do.

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10-02-2013, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Minte

However, neither of them are here being insulting or arrogant.

Very successful people are rarely insulting or arrogant with the people they choose to speak with.. when they wake up in the morning each day with the ability to do whatever they want without exception, it makes no sense for them to go around insulting people.

Buffet, Gates, the Koch brothers.. They likely have not had a single conversation in decades with anyone online or in person that they didn't want to talk.

The barely rich have no more in common with wealthy people than poor people have in common with wealthy people. The part I can't figure out is how wealthy people manage to convince barely rich people and poor people they should be adversaries of each other. I guess I'm just not intellectual enough for it to make sense that millionaires and poor people are embroiled in angry vitriol while billionaires chuckle, raise your taxes, hold the government hostage, rape the planet and tilt the entire playing field more in their favor each year.

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10-02-2013, 08:37 PM

You don't think Gates uses the Internet to converse with people?
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10-03-2013, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by crockett

So silver spoon it was.. Hey I won't fault you for doing well with daddy's money, not everyone whom gets a easy ride can also do well with it. However don't be so arrogant as to assume you have a clue as to what it's like to build a business from nothing with nothing or that everyone has the same wants and desires as you do.

What? My father has been gone for over 15 years and he didn't leave me any money. I have started and built 2 more companies from nothing and just this summer started a 3rd and am in the tail end of acquiring a 4th. Easy ride...it's been anything but an easy ride. It's been decades of hard work.

Everyone wants lots of money..those that don't are liars.

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