Since you are so apt to judge others biased on what you feel their social status is.. Why not tell us.. Did daddy give you a silver spoon or are you one of these I did everything myself and owe no one types?

Yes, of course.. how very noble.
You must be the Kerouac of the 21st century.

But you stated that my reading comprehension is inferior. That suggests you are superior to me, baddog and anyone that disagrees. So the question remains. Why haven't you turned that superior intellect into real success. It should be easy for you.

You do realize the wealthiest people in this country are ultra-liberal intellectuals, right? Gates and Buffet are awfully wealthy and it would be hard to argue they lack intellect.

Neither conservatives nor liberals are inherently more intellectual or more successful. In a sane era the two differ on many things but find ways to compromise for the greater good. That's why we live in a country that has a strong military AND environmentally protected national parks, rather than a country that has only one or the other. Things go poorly when either side deems the other to be less able as a gross generalization rather than remembering that some liberals and some conservatives are unsuccessful idiots, while others from either philosophical viewpoint can be plenty successful and quite smart.

Backward poor uneducated Midwestern conservatives are just as unsuccessful and unintellectual as backward poor uneducated liberals from coastal States. The same parity exists between successful intelligent liberals and conservatives. What does tend to differ demographically more than anything else is their starting status at birth. You'll find people who got a strong head start tend to be the same ones who conservatively favor the status quo... while people who started off in the penalty box tend to want to shake up the way the system works.

See that's why you can't see the Forrest for the trees. Your mindset is so wrapped up on the only form of success as in how much money someone can make.. Meanwhile I've played the make money game, but it never did anything for me.. Success to me is me traveling around the US in my Syncro next year seeing what I want to see and doing what I want to do..

I know, I know I don't have a big water fountain, but I'm sure I can live with out that... So silver spoon, or do everything yourself?

They are now that they achieved amazing success. They enjoy being philanthropists.
We'll never know how they were in their youth, But I would venture to say, that neither of them spent a lot of time thinking about how to make the world a better place.
They thought about how to become rich and powerful.

However, neither of them are here being insulting or arrogant.

I see the forest perfectly.
And I always smile when I hear someone give me their definition of success when it's anything but making money and enjoying the lifestyle that goes with it.

One thing I learned early on ..success is never forgiven.

silver spoon or everything myself.. neither. I have made a career out of surrounding myself with very talented people.. And I don't manage them. They manage themselves.

So silver spoon it was.. Hey I won't fault you for doing well with daddy's money, not everyone whom gets a easy ride can also do well with it. However don't be so arrogant as to assume you have a clue as to what it's like to build a business from nothing with nothing or that everyone has the same wants and desires as you do.

Very successful people are rarely insulting or arrogant with the people they choose to speak with.. when they wake up in the morning each day with the ability to do whatever they want without exception, it makes no sense for them to go around insulting people.

Buffet, Gates, the Koch brothers.. They likely have not had a single conversation in decades with anyone online or in person that they didn't want to talk.

The barely rich have no more in common with wealthy people than poor people have in common with wealthy people. The part I can't figure out is how wealthy people manage to convince barely rich people and poor people they should be adversaries of each other. I guess I'm just not intellectual enough for it to make sense that millionaires and poor people are embroiled in angry vitriol while billionaires chuckle, raise your taxes, hold the government hostage, rape the planet and tilt the entire playing field more in their favor each year.

You don't think Gates uses the Internet to converse with people?

What? My father has been gone for over 15 years and he didn't leave me any money. I have started and built 2 more companies from nothing and just this summer started a 3rd and am in the tail end of acquiring a 4th. Easy ride...it's been anything but an easy ride. It's been decades of hard work.

Everyone wants lots of money..those that don't are liars.

You are preaching to the choir.

I think he has people who use the internet to converse with people. Then when he decides he wants to talk with someone, that conversation takes place via email, phone, Skype, ICQ, two tin cans connected by a string or any other medium he happens to be in the mood to use.

THe problem with Canadians is there willfully retardedly dumb when it comes to politics and could care less if a new law hurts someone as long as its not them.

That pretty much defines whats going on up here.

most likely those 'ultra liberal internet intellectuals' who did make bank became 'ultra conservative selfish pricks' as this is what money tends to do to people. they think if they made it then everyone should be able to and if they can't they should be tossed to lions.

I think we can agree that Mr.Gates doesn't start every conversation by calling the person an idiot or a moron or doesn't have reading comprehension skills.

I can't speak for that. I was never an ultra liberal and I am not an ultra conservative. But I do tend to agree with your statement.

As a side note, that notion actually got me thinking....

If someone absolutely trustworthy told you "Bill Gates would like to speak to you for about an hour. He says it's very important and that he has some ideas he wants to discuss with you... but due to his schedule, he needs you to walk a few miles to a payphone 3 miles away, in two feet of snow, on New Years Eve and he would like you to bring a ten pound barbell with you."

I can't think of a single person I respect who would not immediately begin trying to find a pair of snow shoes and a ten pound barbell :winkwink:

Of the truly wealthy people I've met, most are actually ultra-liberals. That may stem from the fact that most of them are in New York... but from the small sample of my own experience, it seems to me that young liberals become more conservative when they are barely rich... and much more liberal than they ever had been if they become wealthy (with the exception of trustfunders who are almost always ultra-conservative).

When you make a million dollars you want desperately to hang onto it... when you make a billion dollars it's more like 'points' than 'money' and you are unlikely to ever be able to spend more than the interest it earns anyway. So, it 'costs' you virtually nothing at that point to do what you thought was actually 'right' all along.

Going by the things you have said and done, only according to what you post on GFY, it's interesting to note that with those exact same sentiments you would have been called a staunch conservative twenty years ago but most would consider you quite liberal by today's standards. It shows a lot about how the country has moved and how the political process has been distorted in the last couple decades - leaving us in an era when being an actual moderate is considered by many to be some kind of infirmity. :2 cents:

Geography certainly plays into it. Here in the midwest, it's obviously quite conservative. Most of the people here that have made real money did it by working, manufacturing, farming.'

Banking and investment fortunes are coastal things. Of course there is generational money here,but nothing like out east. I think it's harder for people in the midwest to hold on to their money because they don't have experience or any roots in stocks, derivatives..etc.

Having to go to work everyday and actually steer the ship hands on gives us a much different perspective. I have a couple of friends that have reached the *B* club. They both go to work every day. And they both love what they do.

I'd consider myself ultra-liberal, although there's small streak of conservatism in me. I hate taxes like any normal person would -- but I can't see myself aligning with the "low-tax" party because most of their ideology is based on a repugnant, paranoid worldview(lately). I'm not rich, but I do ok, and I can't see my views changing even if I made a $500k a year. I will never vote Republican until they present a candidate who isn't a fucking tool that only seems to care about making sure people with a leg up already get as many breaks as they can.

Boehner is a complete fucktard douche-bag

The minority within the Republican party is speaking for the majority, which forces anyone that cares the least bit about others and the wellbeing of our society as a whole to favor the Democrats.

Meanwhile, the red states will continue to suck up more federal dollars than they contribute while bitching about taxes and a big government.

Every time I see this thread bumped I think it is saying...

oh lOL Beaner.

What's this thread all about anyways?

i had a boss who would call me a motherfucker and say i knew fuck all every day for two years, why did he say such things to me for so long? because he thought with a strong conviction that he was right and i was wrong and he was going to make damn sure of it.

if that of happened to someone else that would have to change someones perspective about being part of the workforce.

i don't know whether i have answered your question yet, but i will say there is not just one answer for it.

Hmm...so Paris Hilton and all those young "trust funders" (you know people whose parents worked hard to make sure their children could live a good life) are "ultra-conservative"?

I must not understand the meaning of "conservative" or something...

I have not met Paris Hilton, and have no idea what her political views are if she has any. She is very far from being the typical trustfunder. Enjoy a few summers in the Hamptons and you'll get a much better view of trustfunders and their world view. People who never worked a day in their life, want very much to avoid any spotlight whatsoever and talk constantly about needing to 'pull at least a D' at Columbia next semester so they can graduate and cash in on the next lump sum of the money coming to them. People from families that have not held a job in two or three generations. Great grandsons and granddaughters of bankers, railroad tycoons and 'captains of industry' who died more than 100 years ago.... They are born knowing they have 10, 25, 50 or 100 million 'coming to them' and all they have to do is meet the terms of the will by staying out of jail or graduating from a school they automatically get into or some other speed bump on a very flat road through life.

You'd be surprised how many there are... And almost without exception, from a political point of view they are as conservative as you can get. Why wouldn't they be? Their only personal interest is in maintaining the status quo at all costs....

Please explain 98% of Hollywood then? All super rich and successful and most are left wing. Why?

So because someone is not rich they are losers? LOL you are a fucking clown. I might not be rich but one thing I am is happy. I don't need to go on to a porn web board to make my sorry ass feel better like yourself.

Why are all you ultra-liberal internet intellectuals

Once again you've made my point. Thanks

For the same reason that most of us are: Religious nut cases in the Republican party who want to make us all bow down to "God".

But that doesn't mean that they want to give their money to a govt. that uses it to build a giant military and kill people worldwide.

That's the thing you are missing in the argument Bryan. I don't think you'd find many people who would argue against helping people in need, or providing medical care, etc.

But the problem is the govt. takes our money and doesn't spend the majority of it on making things better for people. If they did, there wouldn't be any poverty and we'd be driving on streets of gold.

Instead they spend huge portions of it on killing people with our military.

All you need to do is just look at Germany and Japan. We won that war SEVENTY YEARS AGO. But we just won't leave. So we have thousands of troops stationed there on huge bases that cost billions of dollars every year to maintain.

THAT is why people like me don't want to let the govt. just take my money. Has nothing to do with me being liberal...I'm the most socially liberal guy you will ever meet (and that's saying a lot in the porn biz).

I just don't like the fact that there are 800,000 federal employees (a lot of them lifetime career bureaucrats), I don't like the fact that we are occupying so many countries with our military and kill people day in and day out with drone strikes.

I don't like the fact that a lot of our tax money is spent on the "War On Drugs" which is not much more than a "war on citizens" to feed the multi-billion dollar prison industry.

Does that make sense? Our govt. is totally corrupt. And every dollar that they get from me in tax money sickens me because of what they do with it while the poor people of the U.S. and the inner city minorities suffer.

I don't agree with Robbie much but he's making some good points here

Lol John Boner is what I see every time.

Speak for yourself.

My statement said "No significant bills have been passed into law" and my post mostly came from something I saw on American news.

I'm not an American politician and never studied politics or law. I'm in the adult business, just like you.

The point of my post was to invite conversation and to then hopefully HOPEFULLY point out where I was wrong.

What I "learned" from the US News was that since Boehner, no significant bills were passed. Was I wrong? If so, calling me and the rest of Canada retarded only shows that you don't know the answer.

And believe it or not, Canada is a big trade partner of the US and that means everything you guys do affects us too.

The fact that I don't know a thing about politics AND that the actions of your officials in government affect us Canadians AND even affects our own sales as it does your sales, gives me the right at least to ask questions does it not?