The Next Nazi state Greece?

[crockett]

Anyone been following the shit going on in Greece lately?

There is a extreme right wing group called "Golden Dawn" that actually now holds spots in their govt. These guys use a modified swastika symbol for their party logo and go around the streets dressed as skinheads in black uniforms. They of course also like to do the hail Hitler salutes if there was any question what their thought pattern is..

They are anti immigrants and essentially attack people that aren't white and seems to have a growing support of the Greece public if it can be believed.. More surprising is they also have a presence in the US & Canada with offices in New York City, Montreal and Toronto.

I first started noticing things about them on Reddit and as the weeks have gone by since I first noticed them it seems like every day or two there is some new violent attack done by these guys in news headlines.

Today's latest but I've noticed articles like this for weeks now..

http://news.yahoo.com/streets-athens...074957227.html

[mavruda]

Originally Posted by crockett

Anyone been following the shit going on in Greece lately?

There is a extreme right wing group called "Golden Dawn" that actually now holds spots in their govt. These guys use a modified swastika symbol for their party logo and go around the streets dressed as skinheads in black uniforms. They of course also like to do the hail Hitler salutes if there was any question what their thought pattern is..

They are anti immigrants and essentially attack people that aren't white and seems to have a growing support of the Greece public if it can be believed.. More surprising is they also have a presence in the US & Canada with offices in New York City, Montreal and Toronto.

I first started noticing things about them on Reddit and as the weeks have gone by since I first noticed them it seems like every day or two there is some new violent attack done by these guys in news headlines.

Today's latest but I've noticed articles like this for weeks now..

http://news.yahoo.com/streets-athens...074957227.html

Yep. Nothing new. There's such kinda groups/formation in every country in this region.

[baddog]

That is why people in other countries think our "two party system" sucks. Not enough diversification.

[RyanEagle]

Yeah, we have plenty of groups like this here. Pretty disgusting.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mavruda

Yep. Nothing new. There's such kinda groups/formation in every country in this region.

Yea, but not many groups actually hold position in their country's Govt.


As a side note these guys were beat down once before in Greece by anarchist whom don't like fascist very much (go figure lol) The anarchist beat the shit out of them and burned down their headquarters forcing Golden Dawn to close it's doors. It's however now returned and has been gaining a lot of momentum every since due to Greece's financial problems.

[pornmasta]

greece ? ;)

[crockett]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

greece ? ;)

Yea Greece..

[mineistaken]

unfortunately its too late, Greece and Europe will be african/arabian continent in coming hundreds of years. Thanks to idiots who opened the borders so widely.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by crockett

Yea Greece..

I'm sure greeks would answer "europe"

[Osiris.10]

Same shit happened in Germany in the 30's they were in an economic depression, everyone was out of work life was pretty shitty.

Germans where desperate for change.. in comes the national socialist party.
Hitler and his buddies blamed the economic problems on a host of issues but mainly blamed their biggest "foreign" minority.. the Jews.

He promised them that Germany would be returned to the great country it used to be and the people were desperate and got behind him...

then shit loads of people died.


ok so id like to think that we are above letting things like that happen again and its the UN's job to keep ontop of shit like that, but all it needs is the right catalyst and shit gets crazy!

[- Jesus Christ -]

Is anyone else here aware that calling for state intervention to fight nationalism is a logical inconsistency?

You are now.

[ColBigBalls]

Lack of education and communication is awesome.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by - jesus christ -

is anyone else here aware that calling for state intervention to fight nationalism is a logical inconsistency?

You are now.

+1..... Lololololol!




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[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by crockett

They [...] essentially attack people that aren't white

What, like Greeks?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Osiris.10

Same shit happened in Germany in the 30's they were in an economic depression, everyone was out of work life was pretty shitty.

Germans where desperate for change.. in comes the national socialist party.
Hitler and his buddies blamed the economic problems on a host of issues but mainly blamed their biggest "foreign" minority.. the Jews.

He promised them that Germany would be returned to the great country it used to be and the people were desperate and got behind him...

then shit loads of people died.

ok so id like to think that we are above letting things like that happen again and its the UN's job to keep ontop of shit like that, but all it needs is the right catalyst and shit gets crazy!

I agree. We all believe something so insane would not happen again, but humans just can't seem to learn from history yet.

[djroof]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

unfortunately its too late, Greece and Europe will be african/arabian continent in coming hundreds of years. Thanks to idiots who opened the borders so widely.

agree 100% I think the "big heads" had plan for Europe to be islamic...

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

Is anyone else here aware that calling for state intervention to fight nationalism is a logical inconsistency?

You are now.

In fact it is more to fight a kind of totalitarism.
Here it makes sense.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by djroof

agree 100% I think the "big heads" had plan for Europe to be islamic...

Well since "big heads" are for population control (and arabs breed like hell) and some of those big heads might be jewish I am not sure if any conspiracy would justify that. Unless big heads are from US and they wanted to destroy Europe, but I am saying this as a joke here.
I think its blindness and idiotic behavior by these big heads who did not see what coming and now its too late, arab/black trojan horse is in Europe..

[djroof]

Originally Posted by crockett

Anyone been following the shit going on in Greece lately?

There is a extreme right wing group called "Golden Dawn" that actually now holds spots in their govt. These guys use a modified swastika symbol for their party logo and go around the streets dressed as skinheads in black uniforms. They of course also like to do the hail Hitler salutes if there was any question what their thought pattern is..

We have 2012 and also we have internet... is good to search 1st... so Golden Dawn logo is this: this is not MODIFIED swastika logo... this called "Meandros" and is old Greek design.... read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meander_(art) if u ever was in Acropolis u will see this symbol to all statues.... so I think in past people was not nazis... also swastika is old art design which used to many countries... take a look here: http://www.texturevault.net/nepal_bu...jpg36876 .jpg of course the are not skinheads and take a tours on streets every day and of course they don't tell Hai Hitler... they are in right wing on parliament and they believe in GREECE only... that party in past they fight on WW2 against Germans so is a little bit crazy now to be with Germans who wants own EU.

They are anti immigrants and essentially attack people that aren't white and seems to have a growing support of the Greece public if it can be believed.. More surprising is they also have a presence in the US & Canada with offices in New York City, Montreal and Toronto.

about the attacks... yes they did but u don't know and the other side... many Greeks had problems from people who are from Pakistan, Bagladesh, Egypt, Algeria etc... who are without papers here and attack every day greeks for money etc... police here of course sleeping... and gov sleeping too... that's why people likes them.

I first started noticing things about them on Reddit and as the weeks have gone by since I first noticed them it seems like every day or two there is some new violent attack done by these guys in news headlines.

Yes yes... the game of journalists... same here... but when anarchists and communists burn the Athens all time, foreign people attacks greeks every day this not sales... Golden Dawn last days sales much here... so they "play" them all time... they had in past elections 0,5% now they took about 7,51% (5th party) and now with galops they took over 12% and takes 3rd place...

Today's latest but I've noticed articles like this for weeks now..

http://news.yahoo.com/streets-athens...074957227.html

Understand u that u are out of Greece and u believe things that u read on sites, papers etc... but why not to come here this summer to watch with your eyes... how Greece is now... of course u will listen many things but trust your eyes...

[brassmonkey]

white supremacist need to be put on the terrorist list. their all over the place. oh and violent

[alias]

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

Is anyone else here aware that calling for state intervention to fight nationalism is a logical inconsistency?

You are now.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Osiris.10

He promised them that Germany would be returned to the great country it used to be and the people were desperate and got behind him...

then shit loads of people died.

You left out the part where Hitler delivered exactly what he promised.

The truth is, Germany would be the biggest superpower right now if it hadn't been for Russia taking them down in WW2.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

You left out the part where Hitler delivered exactly what he promised.

The truth is, Germany would be the biggest superpower right now if it hadn't been for Russia taking them down in WW2.

So, the end justifies the means?

[DBS.US]

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by baddog

So, the end justifies the means?

You could ask that question about every major power move any country has ever made.

You live in California. Aren't you glad the Mexican–American War took place, or did the means not justify the end?

[babymaker]

Greeks aren't white, at least not pure Aryan white, so how do they justify being white supremacists?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

You left out the part where Hitler delivered exactly what he promised.

The truth is, Germany would be the biggest superpower right now if it hadn't been for Russia taking them down in WW2.

Bingo.

We consider Hilter and the Nazi Party to be pure evil, but in their earlier days they delivered what they promised. Hilter was Time's man of the year in 1938.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Greeks aren't white, at least not pure Aryan white, so how do they justify being white supremacists?

you got me, but I guess they consider themselves whiter than the Egyptians & others they want to beat up.

[xanadu]

I really dont want to post in this thread....

Djroof, drop me an email man, I am in Athens now, lets meet ;)

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by xanadu

I really dont want to post in this thread....

Djroof, drop me an email man, I am in Athens now, lets meet ;)

Don't remain silent while your country is on fire...I'm curious to hear what Greek people, or people who have lived in Greece, have to say about this issue.



Xanadu, Theo, Panos?

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[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by crockett

These guys use a modified swastika symbol for their party logo and go around the streets dressed as skinheads in black uniforms.

The swastika is actually a peace symbol misappropriated by the Nazi party, it has a history going WAYYYY back in time, even the flag of the Isle of Man is a variation of the same theme.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

The swastika is actually a peace symbol misappropriated by the Nazi party, it has a history going WAYYYY back in time, even the flag of the Isle of Man is a variation of the same theme.

Heil Buddha!

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[oppoten]

"Modified swastika" is media bullshit. As has been mentioned, the swastika and the Greek symbol go way back.

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Greeks aren't white, at least not pure Aryan white, so how do they justify being white supremacists?

They're not supremacists.

[ilnjscb]

Last time the Helenes (athenians anyway) ran things it was pretty cool - I wouldn't mind them in charge.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

The swastika is actually a peace symbol misappropriated by the Nazi party, it has a history going WAYYYY back in time, even the flag of the Isle of Man is a variation of the same theme.

It doesn't matter what is was originally, it matters what they used it for and the obvious intent behind what these guys use their symbol for. They use a similar symbol to make their self aligned to the Nazi party.

Trying to make an excuse for anything else is just being dumb.. It's easy enough to see what these guys are all about.. They are not using the symbol for peace they are using it for hate.

[HushMoney]

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

Is anyone else here aware that calling for state intervention to fight nationalism is a logical inconsistency?

You are now.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by baddog

That is why people in other countries think our "two party system" sucks. Not enough diversification.

Yes, but atleast they have alot more control, well than Canada, and our joke of governmenting that they like to call a Democaracey

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

The swastika is actually a peace symbol misappropriated by the Nazi party, it has a history going WAYYYY back in time, even the flag of the Isle of Man is a variation of the same theme.

[baddog]

[Thor]

you dont understand this, but Greece is fighting an invasion, easy to be a smartass sitting in the us not knowing shit about the facts for the poor people of greece, why do you think they welcome them ? THINK.

Originally Posted by crockett

Anyone been following the shit going on in Greece lately?

There is a extreme right wing group called "Golden Dawn" that actually now holds spots in their govt. These guys use a modified swastika symbol for their party logo and go around the streets dressed as skinheads in black uniforms. They of course also like to do the hail Hitler salutes if there was any question what their thought pattern is..

They are anti immigrants and essentially attack people that aren't white and seems to have a growing support of the Greece public if it can be believed.. More surprising is they also have a presence in the US & Canada with offices in New York City, Montreal and Toronto.

I first started noticing things about them on Reddit and as the weeks have gone by since I first noticed them it seems like every day or two there is some new violent attack done by these guys in news headlines.

Today's latest but I've noticed articles like this for weeks now..

http://news.yahoo.com/streets-athens...074957227.html

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Thor

you dont understand this, but Greece is fighting an invasion, easy to be a smartass sitting in the us not knowing shit about the facts for the poor people of greece, why do you think they welcome them ? THINK.

Then you make your immigration laws tougher and kick them out legally.. You don't however turn into another bunch of fucking Nazis..

[Thor]

greece is a member of EU, they dont make their own immigration laws, France and Germany does

Originally Posted by crockett

Then you make your immigration laws tougher and kick them out legally.. You don't however turn into another bunch of fucking Nazis..

[GregE]

Originally Posted by crockett

Then you make your immigration laws tougher and kick them out legally.. You don't however turn into another bunch of fucking Nazis..

Human behavior is rarely as black and white as it is customarily portrayed. An argument could be made that it's precisely because the legally constituted authorities have failed to act that these vigilantes have taken upon themselves to do so.

That's sure as hell how it went down in the American west back in the day.

Hitler didn't invent vigilantism, it's been recurrent issue since the dawn of civilization.

[Lester Burnham]

I wonder what Zeus thinks...

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by crockett

It doesn't matter what is was originally, it matters what they used it for and the obvious intent behind what these guys use their symbol for. They use a similar symbol to make their self aligned to the Nazi party.

Trying to make an excuse for anything else is just being dumb.. It's easy enough to see what these guys are all about.. They are not using the symbol for peace they are using it for hate.

Originally Posted by crockett

Then you make your immigration laws tougher and kick them out legally.. You don't however turn into another bunch of fucking Nazis..

Good to see a voice of sanity in amongst all the pro-Nazi cunts in this thread.

[HomerSimpson]

greeece looool

no way - they are just too gay...

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Greece arrests neo-Nazi party leader in crackdown

ATHENS, Sept 28 (Reuters) - Greek police arrested the leader and more than a dozen senior members and lawmakers from the far-right Golden Dawn party on Saturday after the killing of an anti-fascist rapper by a party supporter triggered outrage and protests across the country.

The party's leader Nikolaos Mihaloliakos, spokesman Ilias Kassidiaris, two other lawmakers and 10 members were arrested on charges of founding a criminal organisation. They are due to appear in court this weekend to be charged formally.

Police confiscated two guns and a hunting rifle from the home of Mihaloliakos, saying he did not have a licence for them.

Golden Dawn, ranked Greece's third most popular party, is under investigation for the murder of Pavlos Fissas, who bled to death after being stabbed twice by a party sympathiser.

"Shame on them, the people will lift Golden Dawn higher," Ilias Panagiotaros, a Golden Dawn lawmaker told reporters before his arrest.

Several hundred party supporters gathered outside police headquarters chanting slogans and waving Greek flags. The party on its website called for protests in solidarity with its leader.

Prime Minister Antonis Samaras's government has so far resisted calls to ban the party, fearing it could make it even more popular at a time of growing anger at repeated rounds of austerity measures and instead, it has tried to undermine the party by ordering probes that could deprive it of state funding.

Samaras ruled out snap elections after the arrests.

Finance Minister Yannis Stournaras said Greece did not face the risk of political instability and Justice Minister Haralambos Athanassiou said all Golden Dawn members who had been arrested would receive a fair trial.

TACTIC TO IMPRESS

The move to arrest the party members surprised some Greeks wary of political theatre in a country where little has been done to rein in a party widely viewed as neo-Nazi.

"It's good that they arrested them, but I'm afraid that we will start killing each other now," said Dimitra Vassilopoulou, a 58-year old housewife.

"Does the government actually mean it or is it just a tactic to impress us? Why didn't they do anything when the immigrants were killed? How come they just discovered that Golden Dawn is a criminal organisation?"

The party has denied any links to the killing and Mihaloliakos has warned the party could pull its lawmakers from parliament if the crackdown does not stop.

If potential by-elections were won by the opposition, as some polls indicate, Greece's fragile two-party coalition would become politically untenable, Mihaloliakos has argued.

The party has 18 of parliament's 300 lawmakers and scored 14 percent of voter support in opinion polls before the stabbing. A poll this week showed this had fallen as low as 6.7 percent.

Greek lawmakers do not lose their political rights or seats unless there is a final court ruling against them but the government has proposed a law that could block state funding for Golden Dawn if police find links to Fissas's murder.

Golden Dawn, whose emblem resembles a swastika, rose from obscurity to enter parliament last year after promising to mine Greece's borders to prevent illegal immigrants from entering. Its members have been seen giving Nazi-style salutes but the party rejects the neo-Nazi label.

Human rights' groups have accused the party of being linked to attacks on immigrants but this is the first time it is being is investigated for evidence linking it to an attack.

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[Creatine]

[Manfap]

Not if Loukanikos has anything to do with it.