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tony286 09-26-2013 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19813292)
:2 cents:

https://www.aamc.org/newsroom/newsre...Cwq9o.facebook


"AAMC Releases New Physician Shortage Estimates Post-Reform
News Alert
September 30, 2010

The AAMC (Association of American Medical Colleges) has released new physician shortage estimates based on projections by the Center for Workforce Studies that, beginning in 2015, are 50 percent worse than originally anticipated prior to health care reform.

The United States already was struggling with a critical physician shortage and the problem will only be exacerbated as 32 million Americans acquire health care coverage, and an additional 36 million people enter Medicare.

Some key findings include:

? Between now and 2015, the year after health care reforms are scheduled to take effect, the shortage of doctors across all specialties will quadruple. While previous projections showed a baseline shortage of 39,600 doctors in 2015, current estimates bring that number closer to 63,000, with a worsening of shortages through 2025.

? There also will be a substantial shortage of non-primary care specialists. In 2015, the United States will face a shortage of 33,100 physicians in specialties such as cardiology, oncology, and emergency medicine.

? With the U.S. Census Bureau projecting a 36 percent growth in the number of Americans over age 65, and nearly one-third of all physicians expected to retire in the next decade, the need for timely access to high-quality care will be greater than ever.

? The number of medical school students continues to increase, adding 7,000 graduates every year over the next decade. However, unless Congress supports at least a 15 percent increase in residency training slots (adding another 4,000 physicians a year to the pipeline), access to health care will be out of reach for many Americans."




.:2 cents:


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So letting people die is the better way to go then get them covered? also for most things you dont need a doctor a nurse practitioner is fine and cheaper.

tony286 09-26-2013 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hattrick (Post 19812498)
The idea of mandated health-insurance was sprung by the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation as I understand it. I didn't read the originally thesis so I can't comment on how they proposed it would be implemented.

My point that you quoted was that the Progressive Communist Liberals should have easily realized that the Affordable Care Act aka ObamaCare would be a train wreck; given their superior intellect and moral standing they always declare for themselves. I mean they are so dang smart they have half the country believing their Communist propaganda that was first used in Russia during the 1920's and Germany in the 1930'-1940'. Even Obama's last campaign slogan and logo was lifted directly from Russia's Communist propaganda used in the 1920's.

washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/apr/30/new-obama-slogan-has-long-ties-marxism-socialism/[/url]

The nazis werent liberals they were extreme righties actually very anti union.

crockett 09-26-2013 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 19812445)
What liberal came up with this plan?

Mitt Romney.. He's such a lib.. It's so horrible getting my health care here in MA where this plan has been in place for years. We have to wait for days out side in the cold for a overpriced sub par service.. It's horrible I tell you...



Oh wait.. That was the apple store.. My bad. Health insurance and medical treatment works out just fine here even though everyone in the state has coverage.. Don't tell Fox News though..

SuckOnThis 09-26-2013 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hattrick (Post 19812521)
Thank you for your very informed articulate reply. I will relay your comment to my friend of 40 years who is now a retired doctor. To further substantiate that doctors are leaving their practices you may want to actually read something like;

2012 survey of physicians conducted by the Doctor Patient Medical Association, or DPMA, found that 90% of respondents thought the U.S. medical system was on the wrong track. 83% said that they were actually thinking about leaving the profession. 95% of physicians responding to the survey thought that private practices are losing out to corporate medicine.

Who's to blame? Nearly two-thirds said the government was the root of most of their problems. Even more identified the best solution as reducing government involvement in medicine.

Knowing one doctor that has been practicing for 40 years that is retiring hardly qualifies as 'I know doctors personally who have already closed their practices and many more are soon to do the same'.

Sure buddy, all these doctors are closing up shop and becoming truck drivers. :1orglaugh

crockett 09-26-2013 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 19813321)
Knowing one doctor that has been practicing for 40 years that is retiring hardly qualifies as 'I know doctors personally who have already closed their practices and many more are soon to do the same'.

Sure buddy, all these doctors are closing up shop and becoming truck drivers. :1orglaugh

Hey we need truck drivers too, they are all retiring soon as well.. Thanks Obama....

Grapesoda 09-26-2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19812450)
I did a little reading last night and it was hard to find any real details, but that number is based on what they call a "silver' level plan which supposedly will cover about 70-75% of your medical costs. I wasn't able to find out how much of an annual deductible there will be.

what's interesting is there are literally thousands and thousands of 'waivers' including congress that are not being forced to use Obama care :2 cents:

Tom_PM 09-26-2013 08:32 AM

I'm taking the wait and see approach. Because........ yep.

SuckOnThis 09-26-2013 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19813326)
Hey we need truck drivers too, they are all retiring soon as well.. Thanks Obama....


Good point. I heard on Hannity the other day that all the truck drivers are retiring because Obama is forcing to much regulation and they cannot become fruit pickers because of all the illegals. Then Hannitys guest said all those illegals are planning on taking over as doctors once no one else wants to do it. So I guess the problem kind of takes care of itself.

Evil1 09-26-2013 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19813314)
Mitt Romney.. He's such a lib.. It's so horrible getting my health care here in MA where this plan has been in place for years. We have to wait for days out side in the cold for a overpriced sub par service.. It's horrible I tell you...



Oh wait.. That was the apple store.. My bad. Health insurance and medical treatment works out just fine here even though everyone in the state has coverage.. Don't tell Fox News though..

If you are in mass then you are fully aware the feds (other states taxpayers) are paying for most of your healthcare, if they wernt the entire state would make detroit look stable.. but you know that right?

baddog 09-26-2013 10:30 AM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...average-of-24/

Interactive Map: In 13 States Plus D.C., Obamacare Will Increase Health Premiums By 24%, On Average

Relentless 09-26-2013 10:45 AM

We are headed for a tiered healthcare system, and all of this will be a short blip on the timeline in hindsight.

In the near future you'll see:

Tier 1 cash only for the best doctors and the people who want to pay for them

Tier 2 single payer with private paid supplemental insurance to see Doctors and reduce waiting times for nonemergent care, get nongeneric drugs, or to cover some elective medicine like dental care, eyeglasses, orthodontics, etc...

Tier 3 single payer healthcare for "free" with most people seeing mid level providers like PAs and RNs who are supervised by Doctors.


Once the system is in place they will data mine the fuck out of medical records to reduce waste, provide targeted medical care based on patients with similar history and establish cost benefit analysis of exactly what the tier 3 coverage should cover. Anyone who wants more coverage than that will buy private supplemental insurance for a fee or pay cash. The result will eventually be a much more efficient system with little or no profits on necessary basic medical care and plenty of room for profits on supplemental/elective procedures.

This is an inevitable fact.... The only question is whether it takes us 10 years or 100 years to get there and how bad the lobbyists and politicians fuck it up along the way before the final system is in place.

crockett 09-26-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 19813339)
Good point. I heard on Hannity the other day that all the truck drivers are retiring because Obama is forcing to much regulation and they cannot become fruit pickers because of all the illegals. Then Hannitys guest said all those illegals are planning on taking over as doctors once no one else wants to do it. So I guess the problem kind of takes care of itself.

Do you believe everything you hear on Fake news? The reason so many doctors and truck drivers are retiring is because of the baby boomers. They have finally reached retirement age and well, they are retiring..

Leave it to Fake.. I mean Fox propaganda to claim its Obamas fault.

Gee thanks Obama for making the baby boomers retire.. If George bush was still in office they would say fuck retirement...let's keep working for the fatherland!

Tom_PM 09-26-2013 11:08 AM

Just thought I'd mention that locally there is a big truck driving school. They advertise like crazy on radio and television and offer sign on bonuses and do a nice job of marketing the career. It's probably one of the booming industries right now due to boomers retiring. NTTS, National Tractor Trailer School. Join now. :winkwink:

pornguy 09-26-2013 11:27 AM

I dont live in the country. Are they going to force me to buy it as well?

crockett 09-26-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19813533)
Just thought I'd mention that locally there is a big truck driving school. They advertise like crazy on radio and television and offer sign on bonuses and do a nice job of marketing the career. It's probably one of the booming industries right now due to boomers retiring. NTTS, National Tractor Trailer School. Join now. :winkwink:

Quit being a tree hugging liberal.. Everyone knows it's Obamas fault.. It's like you expect us to accept facts over gut feeling..

arock10 09-26-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 19813559)
I dont live in the country. Are they going to force me to buy it as well?

That's an interesting question

OldJeff 09-26-2013 12:00 PM

Crockett - How can you continue to support Obama when he has gone back on nearly all of his campaign promises ?

And as far as Obama's fault, well the first 4 years of his presidency, everything was Bush's fault, shouldn't he own at least something that happened during his presidency ?

crockett 09-26-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 19813586)
Crockett - How can you continue to support Obama when he has gone back on nearly all of his campaign promises ?

And as far as Obama's fault, well the first 4 years of his presidency, everything was Bush's fault, shouldn't he own at least something that happened during his presidency ?

I voted for Obama to get us out of Iraq and refocused the war on terror. I never fell for the change BS so I was never disappointed in anything to that effect as I'm smart enough to know, that as long as private money is involved in politics nothing will change.

He did get us out of Iraq and put the focus on Afghan and managed to get bin laden to boot. Now we are slowly pulling out of Afghan.

I never expected him to work miracles with the economy as no one is going to fix that mess and I am 100% sure that it would be in worse shape today with Romney in charge.

I'm unhappy that not a single banker has gone to jail and that Wall Street is still doing the same shit today that they did before. I'm also very displeased about the NSA issues and I've been very vocal about that.

The NSA issues would be the same under a republican as Obama, so voting for the other guy wouldn't of changed anything. Far as wall st and Romney well he was in bed with them just the same..again would of been no different.

The way I look at it Obama at least got the wars right and that was a major factor to me. In fact, the wars should of been every Americans top priority.

Relentless 09-26-2013 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19813533)
Just thought I'd mention that locally there is a big truck driving school. They advertise like crazy on radio and television and offer sign on bonuses and do a nice job of marketing the career. It's probably one of the booming industries right now due to boomers retiring. NTTS, National Tractor Trailer School. Join now. :winkwink:

Google automated cars are already driving around the country, car companies plan to offer some kind of autopilot features in the next few years. I'd be shocked if those trucker job exist in 20 years. The teamsters, cab drivers, bus drivers, etc are all about to be replaced by GPS and vehicular automation.

kane 09-26-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19813533)
Just thought I'd mention that locally there is a big truck driving school. They advertise like crazy on radio and television and offer sign on bonuses and do a nice job of marketing the career. It's probably one of the booming industries right now due to boomers retiring. NTTS, National Tractor Trailer School. Join now. :winkwink:

I saw Mike Rowe talking the other day about how there are 3 million vocational jobs right now that can't be filled. These are mechanics, plumbers, truck drivers etc. These are all jobs that pay well, but we have a strange education gap right now. When the recession hit people either just went into retail or lower paying jobs or to college. For some reason they stopped going to tech school. Caterpillar Corp will basically blow you to come work for them if you are big equipment mechanic.

keysync 09-26-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19813981)
I saw Mike Rowe talking the other day about how there are 3 million vocational jobs right now that can't be filled. These are mechanics, plumbers, truck drivers etc. These are all jobs that pay well, but we have a strange education gap right now. When the recession hit people either just went into retail or lower paying jobs or to college. For some reason they stopped going to tech school. Caterpillar Corp will basically blow you to come work for them if you are big equipment mechanic.

Where are these Caterpillar Corp jobs?

I don't know about your area but mechanics around here don't get paid very well. $15/hr. tops.

I'd gladly go work for Cat. They usually pay damn good and great benefits. But they're not exactly blowing people to come work for them around here.

Relentless 09-26-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19813981)
I saw Mike Rowe talking the other day about how there are 3 million vocational jobs right now that can't be filled. These are mechanics, plumbers, truck drivers etc. These are all jobs that pay well, but we have a strange education gap right now. When the recession hit people either just went into retail or lower paying jobs or to college. For some reason they stopped going to tech school. Caterpillar Corp will basically blow you to come work for them if you are big equipment mechanic.

1) How many people does it take to drive 50,000 trucks?
2) How many people does it take to maintain 50,000 trucks?

When the trucks are automated the answer to #1 becomes zero and the answer to #2 becomes a tiny fraction of what it used to be.
Really think we are far away from automating a backhoe so it can dig a ditch in a specific location?

The simpler and less creative the task, the easier it is to automate.


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