Like I say - nobody aside from maybe the OP then :) I'm not seeing those quotes as stating 1 line and blam - obviously that's where the confusion lies (and that goes for pretty much all internet 'discussions' :D )

those posters spoke for themselves.

who wants to see this shit? they do it to themselves why feel bad?

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but watch this documentary, and it may change the way you think.

The House I Live In

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125653/

quick someone shoot these guys for a reality porn zombie site. I'm sure the content cost will be very low.

Not this fucking shit again.

In regards to the girl with the burned face she is actually kind of a famous case. She was involved heavily with meth and ended up in a place where someone was cooking and it exploded. She has burns over most of her body now, but survived.

I have always thought of pot as a gateway by location drug. Addiction is addiction, it is a problem within the body. The odds are if you have it and you don't fight hard to control it will be addicted to something. There are people addicted to food, exercise, booze, drugs, gambling etc.

Several people I have known in my life who were drug addicts and got off the drugs all said the same thing. The key for them was being able to channel that addiction into something more positive.

There are tons of people who smoke a little weed now and then and live perfectly normal, productive lives. There are also a lot of people who smoke a lot of weed and still live normal, productive lives. The ones that have problems are the addicts and those who hang around other drug users when smoking. You end up in the proximity of other, harder, drugs and might be tempted to try them. I often compare it to being in a bar. If you drink beer and all you ever do is buy beer at the store and drink at home you may only ever drink beer. However, if you drink beer at a bar the temptation is there and the odds are one day you might try a shot of whiskey or something harder. The same idea, to me, plays out with pot. If you smoke a lot and hang out with others that do eventually you might be tempted to try something harder and if you are someone who suffers from addiction you could be in trouble.

Anyway, just my :2 cents:

You guys are leaving out the NUMBER ONE KILLER amongst drugs:

Prescription drugs.

Google it up for yourselves. More people dying every minute, every day of the year from prescription drugs than ALL recreational drugs (meth, heroin, coke, etc.) put TOGETHER.

And the drug dealer is your doctor and you don't get arrested. You just die.

You are 100% correct. And why is that? Why do Americans have that problem and not South Americans where there are no prescriptions for Vicoden, amongst other drugs, that are so abused in the USA?

I don't know the precise answer why, but my theories aren't pretty, and wouldn't be well-received on this board.

what does blue meth do to people?

Where is Dirty F when we need him to school such idiotic posters :1orglaugh
Next time he will come here and say that junk food killed more people than meth. Yes,its true and what?
Tool.

If you are meth addict and leach from society, you go to work camp, no leaching. Thats what I would do if I was a dictator. Not gonna happen in pussy world, unfortunately.

You need to take in consideration number of users. Lets speak numbers, like PER 100.000 users how many deaths.
100.000 prescription users
100.000 meth or heroin or whatever users

Of course - prescription drugs is insane in USA nevertheless.

We've been through this before and we already established your problems with alcoholism. No need to get defensive.

I drink maximum 3 days per month. Not an alcoholic by any stretch.
And I am not as you - I can look into things objectively, not through "defensive" prism.

Obviously.

But hey, once you sell that domain you've been trying to sell for 70 bucks for the past 6 months maybe you can afford to splurge a little.

:1orglaugh

Congrats on your continued ad hominem. Somehow stupid people go that route when they fail to hold an argument. Its as a constant :1orglaugh

"Its as a constant"

And you call me stupid.

Must be hitting the bottle again.

Yes, I am stupid because I am not a native English speaker and do mistakes.
Strike 3 :1orglaugh

Something that always amuses the hell out of me is when you have people who would never in a million years smoke pot or do any kind of drug and look down on anyone who does. Then they go get a tooth pulled or hurt themselves and get a prescription for pain killers and they not only take them with no problem they act like they have won the lottery and talk about how great they are.

One thing is certain, any story with the word meth in it never has a good ending.

Meth keeps $5 blowjobs part of the economy, if ya have the balls to insert :2 cents:

The root of the problem is the fucking Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man") aka IMPERFECT.

Meth is bad, but all drugs are. I agree that prescription drugs are worst because they have a huge reach. A arge scale when you think about the entire world.

Addiction in general is what kills people. The "brain trig" that some people are born with is only one, so it's up to every person to be or not addicted to any drug, food, gambling, or anything. It depends on factors like environment, family, life history.

About weed, some people think that it's the first drug, a bridge to all the heavy stuff. I don't think so. Not everyone will test all drugs. I have an uncle who is addicted to cocaine for more than 20 years. He is 40 yo, and don't have any desire to change. Crazy, right?

How can that even be calculated with any accuracy? Many people who use prescription drugs are on a *lot* of different kinds. Did they all kill the person? Did they help? Hurt? I mean how can you single out which drug was the "killer drug" ?

And then there's lots of prescription deaths that are likely people selling them to others.

I don't take any myself, I don't like the idea of being attached to a drug like that (and I don't have any serious illnesses) but it seems fishy to just say "people are dying"... Are people also being helped?

I mean you can get high from gasoline, should we stop selling it? It causes serious brain damage. Is it Exxon's fault if someone gets addicted to their gasoline?

With a lot of the hard drugs, what makes them so dangerous are the contaminants that the drugs are mixed with to create bigger quantities. There was a documentary on channel 4 about Heroin many years ago and the scientist was explaining how if all drugs where legalised then addicts could get pure quantities in smaller forms but most importantly because of this it would be of little harm to their health and they'd be able to maintain a normal lifestyle, and be slowly weened off the drugs over an extended period of time while still being a decent functioning member of society.

That's the real problem about prohibition, in the UK the most widely used drug is cannabis and it is truly terrifying the stuff that dealers put in it to make it weigh more. Brick powder, Fiberglass, when that shit gets into someones lungs it has the potential to burn holes in the lung tissue. There are cases now of heavy cannabis users in their early 20s who have lungs worse than people who have smoked heavily for 30+ years :disgust

But that's prohibition for you :Oh crap

The Wire did a great job at explaining exactly who profits from an illegal drug trade, thank you David Simon! :thumbsup

7 Out Of Every 10 Americans Are On Prescription Drugs - The most commonly prescribed drugs were antibiotics, antidepressants and opioids

:Oh crap

It's becoming the same in the UK, doctors are handing out Anti Depressants like they are smarties!

Go for it! :thumbsup

Well here are some statistics from the article I posted above

38,329 deaths in the USA were caused by drug overdoses. Deaths caused by prescription drugs included:

75.2% - opioids
29.4% - benzodiazepines
17.6% - antidepressants
7.8% - medications used for epilepsy and Parkinson's disease

In November, 2011, the CDC reported that more Americans died form prescription painkiller overdoses than all deaths from cocaine and heroin combined.

where did i say meth is not harmful? right i didnt...but the addicts with money look much much better than the ones without...has everything to do with food and lifestyle and product quality and consistency...

also has to do with acceptance in society...the high profile banker guys have no problem financing their habit and keeping their bodies relatively healthy and being a part of life...the poor prostitute is fucked in the ass and mind and pushed deeper and deeper in to a hole because she cant get a normal job ever or look normal because meth has ostracized her from society in general...its "illegal" to be an addict...not just by law...we push them down further, even though they are to blame for using in the first place...

its like outlawing diabetes and expecting the problem to solve itself...

reality: every druggie knows where to score every day on every fucking place on the planet even in high security prison

the high IQ cops, having a brain and common sense, clearly see that you can not flap your hands and fly or control drugs...

the only thing going on is cheap political points and making addiction illegal to reward criminals with a lucrative market...

as far as keeping us safe, the current laws on drugs are doing NOTHING

Any they will no longer function at the same level that got them the $2000 suits. If you have a bad drug habit but you have a lot of cash then the habit is not such a big thing until the cash runs out. Simple math not that the drug is less bad.

Too much of anything will kill you!

I think I saw that documentary. I sometimes wondered how much the NHS would save just by not having to have so many methadone clinics. Then add in A&E visits for tainted product.

Who told you that? I was smoking cigarettes since I was 16 y/o during more than 10 years (don't even know how many). Some day I woke up and understood that I'm nicotine dependent. I never wanted to be dependent from anything, so I just decided to stop smoking. Now I don't smoke cigarettes for many years. I can smoke a good cigar (which is a very different thing) once a few months. I don't smoke everyday, every week or even every month.

You don't need to look very hard to identify them when they look like an extra from the Walking Dead. I know a guy that is in his 40's and he had to have all his teeth pulled. The meth rotted them right out of his face.

You quoted me and I clearly said a meth "addict", not someone that tried it once.

they are fully functioning drug addicts...2000$ suits 100.000$ cars and careers that are going up not down...but they eat healthy, nobody knows they are using, they are respected members of their community and probably in better physical shape than most here...

ok we do not have meth here, but heroin is pretty fucking bad...

we kill the addicts more than they do themselves...sure they are the stupid mother fuckers who started using, but to err is human and we are all human...

we have no right to make somebody addiction illegal...we have no right to "banish" them from society and expect the problem to solve itself or to tighten already stupid laws...

1 in 3 A&E visits in the UK are alcohol related :Oh crap

I don't have the statistics for drug related visits but I completely agree, so much money wasted.