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mavruda 09-22-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by axel77 (Post 19806095)
All films we are producing end up on Rapid share sites...Once they are deleted, next week
they are up again...Is there really way how to fight this?

Sooner or later this will fuck up all business all producers..

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Originally Posted by Crazy Enough (Post 19806100)
No way at all I guess. They are on the pirate bay and all torrents. If one gets deleted, on the next day they are on the other sites. The same happens with those file sharing sites. Megaupload was closed, and nothing changed. There are several of those services on Alexa top 500 making money selling premium accounts for people who are uploading and downloading stolen content.

I belive that there are two kinds of people. Those who are honest to pay for stuff, and those who will do everything to get things for free. They do this because they don't have any money or credit card at all, so they don't count as prospects. They can't pay for anything.

So, focus on the majority of people who are honest. Most of them are afraid of virus or something. They are dumb, and honest.


Like he said - focus on those who are honest. There was a thread like this before - and the one of the things the other guys gave as advice was - put your logo in all the videos - you can't protect them , at least make advertising on those.
Some of the gfy guys said before - some of the companies are not complaining - they say - this is advertising to us.

The Ghost 09-22-2013 02:48 PM

Hit them over and over again. Thieves are lazy and will move to an easier target. If not get more hardcore with your efforts.


It's an ongoing and constant battle.

Jel 09-22-2013 02:53 PM

this problem is easily solvable with magic video links :thumbsup

Major (Tom) 09-22-2013 03:03 PM

This can be solved by creating a codec like divx for example which you encode your videos with which contacts a server for auth. A custom player can even be created. Basically, it's going to have to be something your members have to download in order for the videos to work. You can encode the HD videos this way & the low quality ones the standard way.
ds

LightscapeMedia 09-22-2013 03:13 PM

This is definitely something that makes me pull my hair out. And quite frankly, I don't have the time to go hunt this shit down. I've found a pretty good alternative that seems to work alright.

I have a pretty loyal fan base who buys my stuff. So I simply ask them not to share by adding a notice to the beginning of my clips that says, "If you share, we can't make more." Plus a little more to try and discourage sharing.

Does it stop it all? No.. but it does put the word out that when we're not selling videos, we're not making more.

Magnetron 09-22-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp (Post 19808797)
So you're saying that recording audio from your speakers will give you a better quality version than ripping it from a low-quality digital source :1orglaugh I haven't laughed that hard in three days, thank you.

I said no such thing.

I did say you could create a worthwhile bootleg from what is essentially a quality audio experience.

Can you create a worthwhile bootleg of a video in this fashion? Not really, unless you set up a recording device in front of a fucking huge expensive HD television broadcasting a BlueRay video, which is a highly unlikely scenario for a basement dwelling digital Pirate.

Yet, taking that into consideration, my initial suggestion was tailoring content to be played on a smaller screen inches away from your eyes.

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Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp (Post 19808797)
Oh lordy lord, so let me get this straight.

You expect consumers to willingly download an app that will render their device unusable while they play the media they paid for by some magical means which will not interfere with basic system operations which are technically unavoidably involved in such an app and which will render their device (be it computer, tablet, phone, etc) useless if they try to jail-break the system.

You know, when you put it like that it sounds like a no-fail plan.

I cannot wait to hear your success story and the billions of dollars you will make marketing such a system :thumbsup

Only being able to use one button on your PC keyboard while you watch a video is magic? An app shutting down becaus it recognized another program running is magic?

I'm only thowing out ideas here of what I think is feasible, so feel free to disagree all you want.

Pigeon holing ideas with irrelevant and ridiculous arguments really doesn't help solve anything.

halfpint 09-22-2013 03:24 PM

This shit has been going on since 2007 when I first came into the adult industry and its far worse now than it ever was.
So many full movie and site rip sites about now and these blogs poping up which link to download and torrent sites are way worse than ever before.
This shit will never stop and Im so glad I no longer rely on adult for an income. Very sad the way its gone but no matter what you do to try and stop it, these assholes come up with something else. Maybe one day soon they will completly destroy the adult industry and then they will have no more content to rip and then they will be fucked...

Fetish Gimp 09-22-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19808913)
I did say you could create a worthwhile bootleg from what is essentially a quality audio experience.

Recording a low-quality song from your speakers producers a lower quality copy than a digital rip from the original low-quality source. Fact.

Your argument about people making bootlegs out of recording speakers/screens is a moot point.

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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19808913)
Only being able to use one button on your PC keyboard while you watch a video is magic? An app shutting down becaus it recognized another program running is magic?

You said your app would not interfere with basic system operation, and disabling keyboard input as well as monitoring processor load as well as being able to shut it down based on it (which by the way implies your app would disable multi-tasking, and how many people watch movies while rendering video, answering email, chatting) so yeah, it'd be magic.

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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19808913)
Pigeon holing ideas with irrelevant and ridiculous arguments really doesn't help solve anything.

I have refuted your arguments with facts and real-word examples. You on the other hand have not backed any of your arguments with more than mere speculation and fantasy.

Why not simply build a time-machine and go back to 1980 and make porn then?

Oh wait, the technology that allows you to make, edit and distribute videos cheaply didn't exist then.

You'd have to spend big bucks on analog cameras, hire an editor, splice film, try to get a distribution deal, manufacture VHS tapes, etc etc.

So you see, the technology that allows people to produce and distribute porn easily and cheaply is the same technology that ass-fucked the business model. Oh sweet fuck how can you not smile at the irony of it? And then of course, cry about it :(

By the way, this is not limited to porn, digital technology has disturbed almost every single aspect of life. How many bank tellers have lost their jobs? Remember bike courriers? Newspapers are getting reamed because of it.

The issue is much bigger than simple file-sharing and thinking that consumer-oriented crippling technologies will solve it is delusional.

Magnetron 09-22-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp (Post 19808948)
You said your app would not interfere with basic system operation, and disabling keyboard input as well as monitoring processor load as well as being able to shut it down based on it (which by the way implies your app would disable multi-tasking, and how many people watch movies while rendering video, answering email, chatting) so yeah, it'd be magic.

When you play a PC game, you have to either quit the game or minimize the game screen.

I'm suggesting removing the ability to minimize the video player app window so it consumes the entire screen. The only keyboard key assigned a function is the ESC button. You can quit the application with a mouseclick or finger touch. The mouse cursor controls the video player controls. The app shuts itself down upon recognition of any known screen capturing video grabbers or signal projection.

Yes, you would not be able to multi task. The app would have to remember where you during your last viewing session if you exited to answer an email or whatever.

Or window minimization could made to occur if you hit PAUSE?

Still waiting for this so called magic that you keep insisting is necessary.

Fetish Gimp 09-22-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19808980)
Still waiting for this so called magic that you keep insisting is necessary.

I would simply LOVE to keep explaining to you the inherent logical as well as physical flaws of your utterly misguided and misinformed strategy (it's great for my postcount), but "Breaking Bad" is on.

So please by all means feel free to keep on working on that magical imaginary app of yours that will save the industry by locking up consumers' devices and expecting to pay for it oh porn messiah.

And I hope you will forgive my skepticism and let me invest imaginary dollars when your imaginary company goes public :thumbsup

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Magnetron 09-22-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp (Post 19808986)
I would simply LOVE to keep explaining to you the inherent logical as well as physical flaws of your utterly misguided and misinformed strategy (it's great for my postcount), but "Breaking Bad" is on.

So please by all means feel free to keep on working on that magical imaginary app of yours that will save the industry by locking up consumers' devices and expecting to pay for it oh porn messiah.

And I hope you will forgive my skepticism and let me invest imaginary dollars when your imaginary company goes public :thumbsup

Nothing gets locked up.

* shakes head in exasperation *

Fetish Gimp 09-22-2013 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19809097)
Nothing gets locked up.

* shakes head in exasperation *

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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19807993)
Content needs to be put into an inexpensive delivery container that if broken into will result in said content being destroyed.

This content must be played on a yet to be developed inexpensive hardware device that has no data extraction ports that if broken into will result in said device being destroyed.

:pimp

Oh and as for using video games as an example of not multi-tasking, first there's the obvious one: when you're playing a videogame your attention is focused on well, playing the game.

Watching a video on the other hand is a passive activity, which means you can have the video playing in the background, listening to it while doing other things.

And there's the fact that most videogames are resource-intensive (I'm generalizing here, if you're playing angry birds you sure as fuck can do other things) which makes comparing playing videogames and watching videos two totally different experiences.

And finally, here's another example of a company trying to cripple a device and the market going ape-shit over it :thumbsup
http://www.businessweek.com/articles...e-restrictions

Magnetron 09-23-2013 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp (Post 19809105)
:pimp

Oh and as for using video games as an example of not multi-tasking, first there's the obvious one: when you're playing a videogame your attention is focused on well, playing the game.

Watching a video on the other hand is a passive activity, which means you can have the video playing in the background, listening to it while doing other things.

And there's the fact that most videogames are resource-intensive (I'm generalizing here, if you're playing angry birds you sure as fuck can do other things) which makes comparing playing videogames and watching videos two totally different experiences.

And finally, here's another example of a company trying to cripple a device and the market going ape-shit over it :thumbsup
http://www.businessweek.com/articles...e-restrictions

First you jump to the wild conclusion that the app I suggested would embed itself into a PC like a malware.

Then you jump to another wild conclusion that the app is going to freeze up every other process.

Then you make a big deal about the user not being able leave the video playing in a minimized window while he chats with his friends about Justin Bieber or whatever.

Now you are harping about DRM on a totally seperate hardware idea I proposed.

It's like having a conversation with a leaping dolphin with ADD.

Fetish Gimp 09-23-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19809349)
First you jump to the wild conclusion that the app I suggested would embed itself into a PC like a malware.

Then you jump to another wild conclusion that the app is going to freeze up every other process.

Then you make a big deal about the user not being able leave the video playing in a minimized window while he chats with his friends about Justin Bieber or whatever.

Now you are harping about DRM on a totally seperate hardware idea I proposed.

It's like having a conversation with a leaping dolphin with ADD.

I did not "leap to conclusions" my dear. I quoted you directly.

True, I assumed your original statement carried through to your other delusional ideas, which by the way I refuted with real-world examples of why crippling-hardware with DRM is a short-sighted and, as the consumer market has proven time and time again, counter-productive.

It seems to me you simply don't like to be shown just how wrong you are with facts and are now getting defensive, resorting to name-calling instead of backing up your arguments.

You see, when you argue (I mean that in the sense of discussing and exchanging ideas, not screaming out your opinion like a deranged lunatic thinking that will make your point) you have to back up your arguments with facts and evidence, which you have failed to do again and again.

You're free to get the last word in, which is another example of the immaturity which colors your discourse. And with that I bid you adieu and good luck :thumbsup

Magnetron 09-23-2013 09:12 AM

Is it safe to come out now?

So, like I was suggesting, an app that needs to be launched to play the video.

One aspect of it works in the background, checking to see if you've switched your PC into projector mode to export a signal like VGA to a TV or other device. If you did, the movie is halted and the app itself shuts down.

Another aspect running behind the scenes would be checking to see if you launched any recognized screen recording software. Again, if you did, the movie is halted and the app itself shuts down. And perhaps this could be updated on a daily basis to recognize the latest known screen grabber, like an antivirus program.

I am not a programmer, so I don't know how difficult it would be. I imagine if these functions were incorporated into an app with other ideas suggested by ilnjscb and DukeSkywalker, you would have a more comprehensive Whackamole strategy.


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