I appreciate everyone's input and comments and amazing compliments. I am, in fact, a professional engineer. And am def. A numbers guy. My numbers are telling me anyone using third party billers can see a 2, 3, 4 times more money by taking your processing into your hands.

I am also interested in consulting and im sure some of you, may be interested in making a shit ton more cash :)

Numbers dont lie.

Close to half my signups are from countries other than US. So would I have to build the join form and add language and currency options or does sling offer some basic customizable template? with ip detection for countries, languages and currencies?

At what percentage point do you think third party billing would be a better idea? You know handling affiliate payouts, lost passwords, changing out credit cards etc... Lets say I was at 8% and out of 300 to 350 joins a month I only had an average of 2 chargebacks at 32 bucks each.

How much would I save?

Paully

Paully, you are confusing two things here. Sliiing is tracking software, merchant account is separate. They tie together, yes, but they are not the same. Sliiing is not the billing page, and I think that is the mis-understanding.

I'm not setup to offer anything to *save* money. All I can do is consult. I also do not own sliiing, I use sliiing as another program would use NATS. Sliiing just happens to be very accommodating, and his system can integrate well with what it is needed. And I like the owner, and he is relentless in his quest to better his systems and become a dominate force.

I did reply to your geo question. Yes, it is a good idea, no, I currently have not programmed it but overseas sales are certainly coming in, good, and strong as is. So something to put on the... to do list.

I can tell you this though... I know your site well, and I can guarantee you I could take 300 new sales/month and make at least 600 new sales/month on it, my numbers are showing higher percent increase.

I'm talking a lot of fucking money man. You just say... fuck it, let's do it. And I will make it happen :thumbsup

I guess I am confused. Seems Netbilling or someone like them would be the way then. They handle the backend, affiliates, customer service and you still have the benefit of a lower rate merchant account. amirite?

Like i said, i am offering consulting. Netbilling is a gateway. They will offer lower rates and a plethora of banks.

Just my way works really well. All the answers to your questions are in this thread to a degree.

You will increase sales if you get off zombaio and go with yiur own merchant account i have no doubt.

It is *every* aspect up until submit payment. I cant say it any other way.

I have no doubt I can save maybe 2to3% just not sure if it's worth the hassle. Ill keep checking it out though.

And handling customer service, it's like picking your nose after awhile. Not hard to do and can actually be rewarding ;)

You are talking percent of 2%, i am talking about massively increasing sales. We are talking about 2 different things.

I dont mind that part. My blacklist ratio for sales is maybe 2%. I want to see what happens in a month or 2 about chargebacks and how your scrubbing stacks up. Wait, what handles the fraud and scrubbing?

You cant believe that there is a conspiracy between my billing company and google analytics when it comes to joins?

I see who and from where and from why they sign up. I see why they get declined through my billing admin.

The gateway you use has scrub settings. So, in your example of going with netbilling, they have those settings I would hope available for you to control.

You have to use a gateway. Shit, ccbill is a gateway, a merchant account. Zombaio is a gateway, a merchant account. You are simply a *sub* account under their main account. And you are a victim of whatever settings they implement. Plus their forms which I guarentee you don't look like max-hardcore.com site.

I am Paully, presenting findings based on something I set up in mainstream years ago and was *HUGE*... and have finally replicated in adult and my findings are *HUGE*.

I am offering advice, guidance, setting shit up so we don't email 80 times a day on things I already know. That is *consulting* and what I am offering. I already have a few in the pipeline... and the results are going to be the same everytime :thumbsup

Ok but you are not Paully. Im Paully, pretty sure. Let get that straight. Thirdly I have lost 18000 over 12 months due to scrubbing. I check it constantly and hit Zombaio up if it doesn't seem it should have been declined.

I have had maybe 2 emails in that time telling me "Hey my card is legit" so far their scrub works.

You have 1 week processing under your format.
I will keep an eye on your shit and see how it goes.

Paully

I am, Paully, presenting findings...

It is the language we use and when presenting someone in speech... people sometimes use the name of the people they are addressing.

Honestly... you are wired up man. Don't believe me, believe me, do it your own way.

I put on the table that I could make max-hardcore 600 new sales per month going *my* way. You either can take the offer, or not... I care nothing. I actually don't even care about making money, rather, showing that you guys are getting your asses handed to you each and every day.

Hi,

We handle everything except affiliate payouts.

Mitch

Mitch are you recommending sling? Have you tried to incorporate it?

Paully

You do the affiliate tracking though? Just not the payments? Im pretty sure my affiliates trust me but maybe they trust me because a third party handles it and sends it to their payment of choice. Hmmmm

Either way I dont rip nobody off. As a matter of fact I pump affiliate sales. I see some hard work in some. That I appreciate and that I reward.

Ill be watching you slinger : That : means serious business. Im watching.

Paully

I have seen the immediate increase of sales as soon as the new form design/Beaner's gateway has been online. I personally make no speculation on why but I know for sure that there has been a big and immediate difference.

I am pretty amazed by those new numbers and will will try his billing system with my own sites as soon as I can. Crossing fingers that it will work as well as what I am seing right now with saraswirls!

Hey CHMOD

I wanted to personally thank you for your hard work and exhaustive efforts at getting this implemented I understand it was a daunting task with a lot of meticulous and tedious work to complete!

Results have been stellar and you already know our position and our reasoning behind this now maybe more thought and respect will be given to ideas we present around here.

We have proven beyond all shadow of doubt that the men in the middle cannot be *trusted* or expected to give you your full sales revenue potential.

MAybe this proves we had a bulls eye on our backs, maybe this proves middle men are vindictive

What it does prove is that some good people who were misled all these years thinking they had to use 3rd party billers may get wind of this and as Beaner says start kicking them selves in the nuts.

I am just sitting here laughing at all the name calls insults and trolls who flamed my threads and tried to further blind you guys as to what has been happening in this industry with the middle men.

First they laugh at you

then they call you names

then you win

Use NATS and Webmaster checks for affiliate software and payouts, using NETbilling for processing, scrubbing and call center.