i do a lot of research. and i used to frequent an hk forum :):)

too bad these things aren't legal for home defense:

http://www.iroc409.com/pub/silly/pdwmain.jpg

Just throw a brick at the intruder. Guns are bad.

HK .40 caliber makes for a great concealed firearm..

:thumbsup

good info bro. thanx
as far as training, yeah, definetly will get that. It is required here before you can apply for a permit.

Actually...They are. With the proper paperwork and so forth anyway.

a 9mm's flash will also make your pupils small at night
always keep one eye closed when shooting in the dark

These are all kick ass pieces.

http://members.aol.com/tjscustom/Web...s1/BERETTA.jpg

http://members.aol.com/tjscustom/Web/Photos1/SSCOMP.jpg

http://members.aol.com/tjscustom/Web...s1/HELLGUN.jpg

http://members.aol.com/tjgunworks/photos3/GldLuger.jpg

http://members.aol.com/tjgunworks/photos3/SW29pin.jpg

HA!

That training is a fucking joke. Come to Oregon for a week and I will break you in.

Yup...2 bastards were trying to get in my front door. I heard a noise and looked out the peephole. They were trying to pick my lock. The place I worked at had been robbed a couple weeks earlier and I tipped the cops off and they arrested the asshole. So he had called and threatened me saying I would have some surprise visitors. So when these half-twits showed up I grabbed the shotgun and snuck up to the door. I watched out the peephole while I pumped that fucker as loud as I could. They ran away like little bitches!!

HK and Beretta are both very fine weapons - but for daily carry you can't beat a snubnosed .38.

this looks a little old, but I think I can over the looks pretty fast

http://www.gunsamerica.com/upload/976254248-1.jpg

yes, well, if you want to give your life to the feds.


although, i *thought* these used 5.56x23mm... which is a controlled ammunition. the FN p90 and Five-seveN both use these calibers, which during the introduction was controlled... there's nothing else illegal about the 5-7 except it uses armor-piercing rounds.

although i suppose with an ffa or whatever you could buy that stuff, too. AND get your happy 9mm glock converted to select-fire. or buy a glock 18. the only 2 ways i'd own a glock :thumbsup

hehe. well hell, maybe I will do that...But I don't think that will count as far as the certification goes. :winkwink:

heh... yeah that old .30 cal would do wonders to a dozen burglars.


actually, if you want scare factor, get yourself a spas with collapsible stock (bonus points for the arm rest thinige). but, don't expect it to be reliable. old italian design they use in stuff like terminator 2, jurassic park and stuff. poor attempt at pump/semi shotgun. but the binelli m1 convertible with pistol grip and mil-spec ring sights.. perfection :):) load round 1 non-lethal, the other 6 lethal rounds. if the first round doesn't drop em, switch over to semi and let em have 6 buckshot rounds in less than 3 seconds. you need pump for non-lethal tho, shells won't eject from an auto.

They already have mine. I own 3 Class III weapons.

Actually, You might be surprized. :winkwink:

ooh! a p90? a p90? yummy yummy....


wait, do you know if the have a "civilian" version of the G36 yet? was looking at getting a "sportster", but after the success of that thing, thought maybe i'd go that route instead. or an aug, but those are so damn expensive, and just kinda more the "neat" factor. those g36's are unstoppable.

heheh, was jsut about say, JSUT DON'T GET A BERRETTA!!!! POS!
I speak from the experince of others & myself(I own two) its a lousy design, they jam easily & randomly. I have to buy expensive ammo, just to get faily decent results from it, & i wanted to buy expensive ammo I do it for one of my larger cal. guns.

Home defense, hands down its the 12 gauge. + shooting skeet, & jackrabbits is fun too. they are cheap, effective, & easy to aim.

For an entry level hand gun go with a .38 revolver, with the ported barrel. You can shoot cheap .38 shells when you target shoot, & the much more expensive .357 for home defense.
Revolvers are far more rugged & dependable, pretty fucken hard to break a good revolver, where as must semi have @ least 50% plastic, 10 times the parts dont have to worry about springs in the clips wearing out, & no jams.

This sig comes with a gernade launcher
http://securityarms.com/20010315/gal.../2400/2468.htm

Nope, none of those although I am seriously considering an Aug.

The man speaks the truth.

anything steyr seems to be incredibly high. that tmp is pretty cool too, but only if you have a suppressor on it ;P. i missed out, i was going to go to a local class on the mp5. they had several variations, i *think* of which included the sd. you paid a fairly small price, and bought like 1000 rds, and you were good to go. i shoulda gone.

think they'll make us little folks a g36? might be a major redesign with the collapsable stock, tho. i doubt an aug would be a bad choice by any means, but i always just thought of it like more expensive "sportster".

Okay, the majority opinion is either a shotgun or a SIG?
I would be more inclined to get the SIG....The question is, which SIG should I get?

Thats almost liek mine cept i have a custome but stock & grip, & a S.S. 1" Comp. Target barrel. Its so easy to shoot its almost boring.
Have a 4x50 red dot scope hanging off to the left side of the gun for rought spotting, & then a 9-20 x50 leipould on top. the hand rest is simular,but has bipod attached. took the lazer off because it sucked @ was never accurate @ the distances I shoot @.

The .38 is a great entry level if you're a 96 pound woman.

probably the HK .40 s&w compact.

Get the SIG229 - it shoots multiple calibers and SIGs are extremely reliable. I would first suggest, however, a revolver for ultimate reliability - read: subnosed .38 SW. lightweight versions.

Dont get a gun just because you think it looks cool, handle the fucker, go to a range & rent one. shoot the fucker. if youve never shot before, youll soon realize how fucken hard it is to hit something with a handgun. If your serious about home defense go with the gauge. another thing to concider is are you jsut gonna look @ teh thing or are you gonan target shoot with it?
bigger teh .cal the more $, ammo isnt cheap.
Wher are you located, if your in CA your fucked you bought you gun 3 years too late, & certainly 3 months too late for a handgun. goto a gunshow. Pick up a gun that wont be registered in your name. If you think your gonna keep this thing in your car & your in a state like CA, your asking for trouble there too

it sucks, there's no concealed carry, not even a permit in my state :(

they're trying to get that handled tho, and possibly allow everyone to cc. yay!

well, I'm in utah now, but will be moving to CA soon (prolly within 6-12 months)

I know CA is way liberal, but I always thought it was a gun friendly state?

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- assneck

you americans are fucking crazy :D

hahahaha, chuick chuick

http://www.velocity.net/~digital/weapons/girl.gif

:Graucho

P229

are you a moron?
CA is the most un gun freindly state there is!

i'd have to say texas. yeah, aren't they the most friendly?


oh yeah, i forgot. there is no concealed carry laws in my state, but there is absolutely NOTHING banning me from walking around with a fully visible piece in a holster. 'cept in a bank, of course :)

UN, with note teh UN, as in NON friendly. CA is the model for all gun control laws, some of you people are confused Liberal is defined as: NO GUNS, & it sucks they should all be shot!

no, I am not a mormon

assneck, you speak persian bro??

Really, California sucks for guns. Take the advice and buy something at a gunshow in another state that cannot be traced to you, and bring it in with you.

I know people will argue that law abiding citizens have nothing to fear, but really.. do you want to be in posession of a firearm that could be traced straight back to your address with a quick run of the serial# or a ballistics check?

Fuck that.

Call me paranoid, but the less paperwork a bunch of State law enforcement agencies have on your ass the better.

ya some, im white i just learned some.

I see a slightly differnt writing on the wall. Its just a matter of time before guns are licenced like cars! & cost $ to renew each year, thats where the next gun control is gonna be, those anti gun fuckers are gonna hit us in the wallets, I have a beautiful collection that was started in my family three generations ago. & fuck if im gonna pay $ every year just to maintain the right to own them, BUt sadly its gonna happen to licenced guns.

Just get a mossberg or winchester 12 guage pump with a pistol grip, and be happy with it. you dont need a handgun, its not that great for home defense and you'll probably kill somebody with it, not always the person you mean to harm. You dont really want to shoot someone, no matter what the situation. Hopefully when they hear the pump action, you wont have to actualy shoot them.

It true that if someone breaks in, they are NOT coming for a social visit... but do you really want the legal hassle that goes with killing someone, even in self defense? Get the 12 guage.

if they break into your house and you shoot them, tough luck for them. as long as you don't shoot them while they're trying to get away you should be fine.