Feds Leave Marijuanna Laws and Enforcement Up to Each State

[Relentless]

Looks like we may finally be headed toward less incarcerations and a much lower tax bill for the prison industrial complex

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/t/sto...eat-sheet.html

[v4 media]

Makes sense.
World seems to adjusting it's stance on weed.
Morocco is considering legalizing growing, and taxing it. 10% jump in GDP if they do.
You've got private 'coffee shops' in Barcelona now.
Most of Europe you can buy the equipment and seeds for growing.

[Evil Chris]

Related... this VICE documentary called The Kings of Cannibis was quite interesting.

[Relentless]

It may start the gold rush for growers and distributors, especially if other states adopt recreational use.

[SuckOnThis]

Whoa there cowboy, don't get all excited quite yet. Its nothing different than Holder said 5 years ago about medical marijuana. The fact is they are still leaving it as a schedule I drug which is in the category as Heroin and Meth. Nothings changed.

[TheSquealer]

Less incarcerations happen when fewer idiots break the law.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Less incarcerations happen when fewer idiots break the law.

Got that right. The largest percentage of busts are basically the offender turning himself in.

Driving with a brake light out, only car on the road at 2 am, constant flow of traffic to a residence, etc.

[dyna mo]

less incarcerations happen when fewer idiotic laws are on the books.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

less incarcerations happen when fewer idiotic laws are on the books.

and less money is spent enforcing it all

[Rochard]

I don't smoke pot, could care less. Make it legal and tax it already.

[Why]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Related... this VICE documentary called The Kings of Cannibis was quite interesting.

haha, ive met arjan in amsterdam before!

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't smoke pot, could care less. Make it legal and tax it already.

I'm the same way. I've never heard of anyone smoking pot and going on a crime spree. If they want to smoke up and eat three boxes of Oreos every night... Good for them. I'd much rather see it be a source of tax revenue than a source of tax spending on policing it and imprisoning people idiotically.

[globofun]

Originally Posted by Relentless

I'm the same way. I've never heard of anyone smoking pot and going on a crime spree. If they want to smoke up and eat three boxes of Oreos every night... Good for them. I'd much rather see it be a source of tax revenue than a source of tax spending on policing it and imprisoning people idiotically.

Off I go buying Nabisco stocks!

[seeric]

So, because they verbally state that they won't pursue people, it's cause to party? Shit. The federal laws are on the books still. Put your party hats down for now. California will legalize very soon, so will many other states. Federally, those laws will always be there. Enforced or not, they keep them in their arsenal.

[adultmobile]

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by seeric

So, because they verbally state that they won't pursue people, it's cause to party? Shit. The federal laws are on the books still. Put your party hats down for now. California will legalize very soon, so will many other states. Federally, those laws will always be there. Enforced or not, they keep them in their arsenal.

It will be much harder for the Federal government to act against the laws of the state when the justice department is already on record saying they will not, if the person in question is behaving in ways that are consistent with the laws of the state. If Alaska suddenly made it legal to smoke pot while driving, the Feds might react to something like that, but the chances of the Justice Department acting against its own directive and against the laws of Washington state to arrest a guy for smoking pot in his yard are pretty much nil.... and making those charges stick against claims of selective enforcement at the appellate level would likely be futile even if they wanted to do it. Blowjobs are still technically illegal in plenty of jurisdictions because there are arcane laws on the books saying you can't commit sodomy... they aren't about to try enforcing any of those laws either.

This isn't a casual comment made by a lone FBI agent or some rookie Police officer at a seminar, it's a formal policy statement by the entire agency of the Federal government charged with enforcing federal law.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Relentless

It will be much harder for the Federal government to act against the laws of the state when the justice department is already on record saying they will not, if the person in question is behaving in ways that are consistent with the laws of the state. If Alaska suddenly made it legal to smoke pot while driving, the Feds might react to something like that, but the chances of the Justice Department acting against its own directive and against the laws of Washington state to arrest a guy for smoking pot in his yard are pretty much nil.... and making those charges stick against claims of selective enforcement at the appellate level would likely be futile even if they wanted to do it. Blowjobs are still technically illegal in plenty of jurisdictions because there are arcane laws on the books saying you can't commit sodomy... they aren't about to try enforcing any of those laws either.

This isn't a casual comment made by a lone FBI agent or some rookie Police officer at a seminar, it's a formal policy statement by the entire agency of the Federal government charged with enforcing federal law.

And this statement wasnt from some rookie cop either:

This was in 2009

WASHINGTON ? Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Wednesday outlined a shift in the enforcement of federal drug laws, saying the administration would effectively end the Bush administration?s frequent raids on distributors of medical marijuana.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/us/19holder.html?_r=0


Yet the raids continued.


Then in 2012 Rolling Stone questioned him about it, he said:

"What I specifically said was that we were not going to prioritize prosecutions of persons who are using medical marijuana. I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana ? and the reason is, because it's against federal law. I can't nullify congressional law," Obama said.

"I can't ask the Justice Department to say, 'Ignore completely a federal law that's on the books.' What I can say is, 'Use your prosecutorial discretion and properly prioritize your resources to go after things that are really doing folks damage.' As a consequence, there haven't been prosecutions of users of marijuana for medical purposes," Obama said.

Obama also said in a late night TV appearance Tuesday on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon, that he didn't expect Congress to change that law: "We're not going to be legalizating weed ? anytime soon."

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...na-121598.html

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

less incarcerations happen when fewer idiotic laws are on the books.

I agree, however I don't agree that people should get to pick and choose which laws they agree with and which laws they will follow. There is a process to rescind or repeal laws.

[Relentless]

Suckonthis,

I'm not sure I'd invest heavily in a commercial operation, but I'd be very confident that smoking in your living room with a few adult friends is not about to result in a DEA arrest, based on this official policy statement.

Keep in mind, the states that allow it still put a lot of restrictions on it, and other laws still apply to it. You can't smoke and drive, can't smoke underage or with minors, can't light up in the middle of a shopping mall, etc... In seattle you can't possess more than 16 ounces iirc... It's headed the same way alcohol went. Personal consumption, with restrictions and taxes.... which is a big step in the right direction, even for those of us who don't smoke it.

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Related... this VICE documentary called The Kings of Cannibis was quite interesting.

Saw the video as well - They're good at marketing. It's all BS - I mean, they filmed themselves in a Colombian grow house with their fertilizer products.

Had some Punto Rojo this week - very hard to get in Bogota. Corinto is the best-grade strain that's available locally.

[dyna mo]

medical marijuana for children will throw a wrench into all of this:::::::::

New Jersey's has just relaxed its medical marijuana law, making it easier for chronically ill children to use it as part of their treatment. Gov. Chris Christie accepted the reform, but critics say the program is still too restrictive and demand will outpace supply.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...-ill-children/



this is utterly retarded.

https://www.google.com/search?q=medi...hrome&ie=UTF-8

[purecane]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Blowjobs are still technically illegal in plenty of jurisdictions because there are arcane laws on the books saying you can't commit sodomy... they aren't about to try enforcing any of those laws either.

huh?????

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

medical marijuana for children will throw a wrench into all of this:::::::::

New Jersey's has just relaxed its medical marijuana law, making it easier for chronically ill children to use it as part of their treatment. Gov. Chris Christie accepted the reform, but critics say the program is still too restrictive and demand will outpace supply.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...-ill-children/



this is utterly retarded.

https://www.google.com/search?q=medi...hrome&ie=UTF-8

What is going to throw a wrench in all this is the exploding popularity of BHO.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by escorpio

What is going to throw a wrench in all this is the exploding popularity of BHO.

doubtful. no medical marijuana laws cover bho's. every dispensary selling them is risking their license in california.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

doubtful. no medical marijuana laws cover bho's. every dispensary selling them is risking their license in california.

Concentrates are legal and openly sold in WA dispensaries and gaining popularity everywhere, legal or not. I have nothing against it, in fact I love it, but the negative publicity (torches! explosions! , etc.) is going to be huge as the trend grows.

[dyna mo]

here's a bit more on what's happening in my neighborbood re: bho and dispensaries that sell it.

this precedent was set in 2008:
The People v. Bergen. prosecutors charged butane hash oil producers — or "blasters" in industry slang — with operating a "drug lab" under section 11379.6 of the California Health and Safety Code.
since 2008, qualified medical cannabis blasters have been going to state prison for up to seven years per charge for making hash with butane.

now, what the law did in downtown los angeles ~6 months ago was sweep the entire area's medical marijuana dispensaries, the ones that sold bhos were given 30 days to close- period, you're done. the only ones that were not hassled were the ones that did not offer any concentrates.

most dispensaries have their own grow ops and manufacturing, so they knew if they were going to try to buck this takedown, they would be investigagated and found to be manufacturing concentrated thc.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

doubtful. no medical marijuana laws cover bho's. every dispensary selling them is risking their license in california.

Yeah, I'll believe the feds are going to stop when they stop

Barry promised this 5 years ago, nice if they are actually going to do it now.

I saw them raid a local pot shop just a couple months ago.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Concentrates are legal and openly sold in WA dispensaries and gaining popularity everywhere, legal or not. I have nothing against it, in fact I love it, but the negative publicity (torches! explosions! , etc.) is going to be huge as the trend grows.

i love it too. and you very well could be righht that it will be the wrench in it all, i do feel that the children angle will be played up a lot by anti-weed crowd, and to have it actually have bills introduced and such like the one christie is doing, is going to give that angle a lot of publicity and it seems to me a lot of people are going to be upset about it.

i know i am upset about it. honestly, smoking your kids out for adhd? jtfc.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yeah, I'll believe the feds are going to stop when they stop

Barry promised this 5 years ago, nice if they are actually going to do it now.

I saw them raid a local pot shop just a couple months ago.

i've been hassled 3x going into dispensaries and coming out. once, they got me coming out with my dog, i was holding him without a leash and put him down on the ground to get my keys,,,,,,boom, cops swoop up and write me a ticket for no leash. obviously they were staking out the dispensary.

i put my 1 full fucking ounce of prime weed on the hood of that mother fucker's squad car so i could sign the ticket.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i love it too. and you very well could be righht that it will be the wrench in it all, i do feel that the children angle will be played up a lot by anti-weed crowd, and to have it actually have bills introduced and such like the one christie is doing, is going to give that angle a lot of publicity and it seems to me a lot of people are going to be upset about it.

i know i am upset about it. honestly, smoking your kids out for adhd? jtfc.

The only way medicating children will be accepted is by having CBD isolated and consumed in capsule form. And for real problems like severe seizures, not bullshit like ADHD. No one will accept a kid smoking weed, getting ripped and having someone say "oh, look! weed cured his hyperactivity."

[Badmaash]

Guys

Now that weed is more tolerated, you need to put your legal supplies up at Pot Commerce

Thank

V

[escorpio]

In Arizona I had a dispensary owner freak out on me for just asking about concentrates. Guess it is illegal there too. After he got comfortable with me he busted it out though.

[SuckOnThis]

Christie: U.S. Attorney General Holder wrong for not challenging pot law in Colorado, Washington

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by escorpio

In Arizona I had a dispensary owner freak out on me for just asking about concentrates. Guess it is illegal there too. After he got comfortable with me he busted it out though.

sounds about right. you know, the more i think about it, the more i can see bho becoming a big deal problem. apparently it's becoming more popular than i was aware, i've been dabbin for quite awhile now, no biggie, but we now dab bars here, 3 dabs for $10 kinda stuff.

i bet that's gonna be a problem. neighbor businesses are not going to like stoners dabbin out next door etc not to mention peeps dabbin at the dispensary and stumbling out to their car to drive home. that's gonna be an issue if bho gets really popular right?

[escorpio]

I gave a lifelong chronic bud smoker friend a big dab and the first thing he said was "Holy shit! I'm so high I don't think I could drive right now!" This guy has been driving high on weed his entire life and that's the first thing he says when he dabs? Yeah, I think the dab bar/driving thing could be a bit of a problem.

[SuckOnThis]

Here in Colorado concentrates are covered under the law. Funny thing is just a state over in Oklahoma its life in prison for making any amount of hash.

[escorpio]

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by escorpio

i like the ones on the left. the thing about waxes for me too is i pretty obsessedwith only getting lab tested and graded wax. i mean let's face it, we don't get accurate infos from the budtender.

this was lab tested at above 95%
(some old close-ups i shots)

[escorpio]

OMFG I can SMELL it!

Hitting the Girl Scout Cookie errl now.
Going to the disp in an hour $30 a gram Labor Day weekend sale. fuck yeah

[JFK]

Originally Posted by escorpio

In Arizona I had a dispensary owner freak out on me for just asking about concentrates. Guess it is illegal there too. After he got comfortable with me he busted it out though.

[bronco67]

It's progress. Look what can happen when conservatives don't have control of the country. Even the stock market is doing well without trickle down economics.

[Vendzilla]

I have to drive up to the Emerald Triangle and visit friends in November, may have to bring back some Koosh