I would still vote for him baddog. why would i not?:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:pimp

"Barry" as you call him, has overseen more military successes than W. ever dreamed about. Mostly because "Barry" has been smart enough to pick real targets. Bin Laden... who Bush forgot about, was killed on Obama's watch. Libya was successfully and quickly handled by Obama, Yemen based terrorists are effectively droned by "Barry and Co", Pakistani insurgents have been attacked across the border by "Barry" which is something W said he couldn't do. On "Barry's" watch our troops have left Iraq (where they never should have been) and the 'mission accomplished' banner W idiotically hung on a carrier is closer to being true today than it ever was during Bush's fiasco.

Obama has done plenty wrong. He has failed to restore habeas corpus, he kept Gitmo open, expanded the prism program to spy on US citizens, failed to conclude our engagement in Afghanistan, used drones to attack an American citizen without any oversight - the list of his fuck-ups is long and wide.... but compared to the asshats who bungled their way into Iraq and wrecked our economy for at least a generation under Bush... "Barry" is a military genius by comparison.

If you want to hate Obama, great... I think he has been a very poor President overall... but at least hate him for the many things he actually did wrong, not the handful of things he has done far better than the other idiot he replaced. :2 cents:

But people take sides (and we all know what side Vendzilla is on). One side will see the upside to the positive things and downplay the negative, while the other side will do just the opposite.

I was ok with him his first term but not his second nor the first after I learned of the nsa abuse.

He did what I voted for him to do. That was end the war in Iraq, refocus the war in Afghan and a bonus of getting bin ladden.

I'm not happy at all about the NSA or, the fact that no bankers have gone to jail.

Do I think Romney would have done better... Hell no.

Even with Obama's mistakes and short comings he was the best pick we had. Sadly he has done some of the same shit Bush was hated for.

Far as Syria.. Either way we go with that, it's damn'd if we do and damn'd if we don't. Should it be our problem, nope... But can we really stand by as chemical weapons are used?

Either way as I said we get screwed

wu wei ...

[QUOTE=crockett;19780396]I was ok with him his first term but not his second nor the first after I learned of the nsa abuse.
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But there is no NSA abuse. There was no spying on US citizens. When they finally released the documents, it was revealed that there was no intentional spying on US citizens. Opps, they made a mistake, left out a single digit, and tracked phone calls from Washington DC instead of Egypt.

Don't read the headlines.

I STILL got to pay my mortgage and my gas! Fuck him. :321GFY

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h8V-msxiYS...asupporter.jpg

Romney was much worse than that. He was a fucking lying piece of shit job exporting flip-flopping disconnected elitist spineless puppet. America would be dead by now if that pussy had been elected. That fucking fool would have turned to dizzy fucking Michelle Bachman for advice. Canadians were shitting our pants for you guys on election night. It amazes me that anyone here would have voted for that low life.

Sure. Any of the negatives would've been amplified with Romney

whoa!!! feel better now? did you get it all out?

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You must not read the same news sources I do.. There has been a lot of abuse, including agents spying on their lovers/enemies.

The guardian is the only legit source for info from Snowden. The guardian has showed that a whole shitload of abuse has taken place.

If you are trusting anything the govt has released then you are a fool as they have lied then lied again.

NSA surveillance program violates the constitution, ACLU says
In a detailed court motion filed Monday as part of an ongoing lawsuit against the NSA, ACLU says program has 'chilling effect'
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...l-aclu-lawsuit

The three opinions include one from October 2011 by U.S. District Judge John Bates, who scolded government lawyers that the NSA had, for the third time in less than three years, belatedly acknowledged it was collecting more data than it was legally allowed to.
"NSA acquires valuable information through its upstream collection, but not without substantial intrusions on Fourth Amendment protected interests," Bates wrote.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/politics/nsa-fisa-court

NSA illegally collected thousands of emails before Fisa court halted program
Declassified court ruling from 2011 found government 'disclosed substantial misrepresentation' of data collection program
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...s-emails-court

In an 85-page ruling handed down by Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (commonly known as the FISA court) judge John D. Bates, the NSA was called out ?for repeatedly misleading the court that oversees its surveillance on domestic soil, including a program that is collecting tens of thousands of domestic e-mails and other Internet communications of Americans each year,? the New York Times reported on Thursday.
http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com.../#.UiIE-hvry2c



there are about 18 million more sources on this i could c&p.

Don't try, I've shown him about the 2,776 mistakes they made and admitted to, knowing damn well there are more.

It's early in the morning and I'm about to head out for a bike ride, so I'm going only to tackle the first one... Did you read it?

Because it says the ACLU claims the constitution was violated, yet the government states it was approved by the Fisa Court and was based on a Supreme Court ruling. The ACLU can complain all it wants, but when it's approved by a court of law and based on Supreme Court rulling, well, what the fuck?

The documents released by the Washington Post revealed nothing. An accident by dropping a single digit pulled data from Washington DC phones instead of foreign country, and a few other such issues. There is no mass sharing and pulling of data; Everything gathered was done so with a warrant and usually by local police departments looking into local crimes.

I mean, here on GFY... When the documents were released there wasn't even a single post about them because they were so fucking boring.

actually, i wasn't trying to convince you, i know a lot of peeps around here are completely obsessed with getting you to agree with them and it's actually very funny to watch it all but i was using your comment as an intro to post the latest news on this which i think very telling overall,

especially the revelation that the fisa court discovered abuse (your term that i was going with) back in 2011 and was under court order to not reveal decisions .

The President called himself Barry on many occasions
http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/23...9-prom-photos/

As for the rest, you are telling me he's done all this good stuff and was better than W and better than those that ran against him. Maybe, we will never really know. Personally I think the middle east is worse now than it was when he took office.

As far wrecking our economy, have you ever heard of Operation Bernhard?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bernhard

It was a plan to flood the British economy with fake currency, making the money worthless, the Nazi's were in full swing to flood the british economy with millions. They had plans to do the US next.

Now, Barry's printing press is printing up 85 billion dollars a month to keep the stock market happy and growing

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ks-waning.html

btw, i don't mean it's finger-pointing funny watching peeps try to convince rochard, i just mean how big some of these arguments with him involved have turned into around here.

that's been funny to watch.:winkwink:

I don't think Richard believes a lot of what he says, he's just trying to stir things up

Simply amazing. Personally, I am going to find out who the Canadians are concerned with next time around and throw my full support behind them. I don't care who it is, if Canadians don't like him, he must be good for the US in general. You guys have sure blown it the last two times.

well, we should all thank him for taking one for the team ! either that or he's a glutton for punishment :1orglaugh:1orglaugh