Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19780396)

I was ok with him his first term but not his second nor the first after I learned of the nsa abuse.
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But there is no NSA abuse. There was no spying on US citizens. When they finally released the documents, it was revealed that there was no intentional spying on US citizens. Opps, they made a mistake, left out a single digit, and tracked phone calls from Washington DC instead of Egypt.

Don't read the headlines.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19780656)

But there is no NSA abuse. There was no spying on US citizens. When they finally released the documents, it was revealed that there was no intentional spying on US citizens. Opps, they made a mistake, left out a single digit, and tracked phone calls from Washington DC instead of Egypt.

Don't read the headlines.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19781009)

NSA surveillance program violates the constitution, ACLU says
In a detailed court motion filed Monday as part of an ongoing lawsuit against the NSA, ACLU says program has 'chilling effect'
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...l-aclu-lawsuit

The three opinions include one from October 2011 by U.S. District Judge John Bates, who scolded government lawyers that the NSA had, for the third time in less than three years, belatedly acknowledged it was collecting more data than it was legally allowed to.
"NSA acquires valuable information through its upstream collection, but not without substantial intrusions on Fourth Amendment protected interests," Bates wrote.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/politics/nsa-fisa-court

NSA illegally collected thousands of emails before Fisa court halted program
Declassified court ruling from 2011 found government 'disclosed substantial misrepresentation' of data collection program
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...s-emails-court

In an 85-page ruling handed down by Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (commonly known as the FISA court) judge John D. Bates, the NSA was called out ?for repeatedly misleading the court that oversees its surveillance on domestic soil, including a program that is collecting tens of thousands of domestic e-mails and other Internet communications of Americans each year,? the New York Times reported on Thursday.
http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com.../#.UiIE-hvry2c



there are about 18 million more sources on this i could c&p.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19781009)

NSA surveillance program violates the constitution, ACLU says
In a detailed court motion filed Monday as part of an ongoing lawsuit against the NSA, ACLU says program has 'chilling effect'
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...l-aclu-lawsuit

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19781066)

It's early in the morning and I'm about to head out for a bike ride, so I'm going only to tackle the first one... Did you read it?

Because it says the ACLU claims the constitution was violated, yet the government states it was approved by the Fisa Court and was based on a Supreme Court ruling. The ACLU can complain all it wants, but when it's approved by a court of law and based on Supreme Court rulling, well, what the fuck?

The documents released by the Washington Post revealed nothing. An accident by dropping a single digit pulled data from Washington DC phones instead of foreign country, and a few other such issues. There is no mass sharing and pulling of data; Everything gathered was done so with a warrant and usually by local police departments looking into local crimes.

I mean, here on GFY... When the documents were released there wasn't even a single post about them because they were so fucking boring.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19780346)

"Barry" as you call him, has overseen more military successes than W. ever dreamed about. Mostly because "Barry" has been smart enough to pick real targets. Bin Laden... who Bush forgot about, was killed on Obama's watch. Libya was successfully and quickly handled by Obama, Yemen based terrorists are effectively droned by "Barry and Co", Pakistani insurgents have been attacked across the border by "Barry" which is something W said he couldn't do. On "Barry's" watch our troops have left Iraq (where they never should have been) and the 'mission accomplished' banner W idiotically hung on a carrier is closer to being true today than it ever was during Bush's fiasco.

Obama has done plenty wrong. He has failed to restore habeas corpus, he kept Gitmo open, expanded the prism program to spy on US citizens, failed to conclude our engagement in Afghanistan, used drones to attack an American citizen without any oversight - the list of his fuck-ups is long and wide.... but compared to the asshats who bungled their way into Iraq and wrecked our economy for at least a generation under Bush... "Barry" is a military genius by comparison.

If you want to hate Obama, great... I think he has been a very poor President overall... but at least hate him for the many things he actually did wrong, not the handful of things he has done far better than the other idiot he replaced. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19781057)

Don't try, I've shown him about the 2,776 mistakes they made and admitted to, knowing damn well there are more.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19781082)

btw, i don't mean it's finger-pointing funny watching peeps try to convince rochard, i just mean how big some of these arguments with him involved have turned into around here.

that's been funny to watch.:winkwink:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19780707)

Romney was much worse than that. He was a fucking lying piece of shit job exporting flip-flopping disconnected elitist spineless puppet. America would be dead by now if that pussy had been elected. That fucking fool would have turned to dizzy fucking Michelle Bachman for advice. Canadians were shitting our pants for you guys on election night. It amazes me that anyone here would have voted for that low life.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19781098)

I don't think Richard believes a lot of what he says, he's just trying to stir things up