88 year old WW2 vet beat to death by teens - GoFuckYourself.com

Rochard · 08-23-2013, 08:12 AM

An 88 year old world war two vet who served in Okinawa was attacked and killed by two teens.... Seems the police arrested one of the two suspects. He was killed outside of his hang out, a pool hall. Very sad.

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(CNN) -- A juvenile has been arrested by Spokane police in connection with the beating death of an 88-year-old World War II veteran this week, police said Friday.

The male suspect has been charged with first-degree robbery and first-degree murder.
The man -- Delbert Belton -- was brutally beaten and left for dead by two teens outside a lounge in Spokane, Washington, where he loved to go play pool.
The motive? Police don't have one. The teens appeared to have picked him at random, authorities say.

A retired aluminum company worker who served in the Pacific, Belton, friends say, took a bullet in the leg during the Battle of Okinawa. He survived that attack.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/us/wor...beating-death/

Struggle4Bucks · 08-23-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

An 88 year old world war two vet who served in Okinawa was attacked and killed by two teens.... Seems the police arrested one of the two suspects. He was killed outside of his hang out, a pool hall. Very sad.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/us/wor...beating-death/

What has the "veteran" part to do with it? To give the old man even more sympathy? And make the teens look even more evil? like they knew the old man was a veteran... Like the old man was a veteran and nothing more then a veteran... Would it be less worse if it was not a veteran? Was he killed because he was a veteran? Media... hummm

Sly · 08-23-2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

What has the "veteran" part to do with it? To give the old man even more sympathy? And make the teens look even more evil? like they knew the old man was a veteran... Like the old man was a veteran and nothing more then a veteran...

If he was a post man, they would have said post man.

Happy?

dehash · 08-23-2013, 08:23 AM

Why would people keep re-posting all news from around the world here?

Struggle4Bucks · 08-23-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

If he was a post man, they would have said post man.

Happy?

Maybe he was a post man after the war for many years... nobody wants to hear that?
I guess the veteran part makes the old man very morally good and the teens very morally bad...
Which makes the contrast between good and evil bigger so there is more drama for the news channels...

Best-In-BC · 08-23-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

An 88 year old world war two vet who served in Okinawa was attacked and killed by two teens.... Seems the police arrested one of the two suspects. He was killed outside of his hang out, a pool hall. Very sad.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/us/wor...beating-death/

Its fitting, this generation has giving everything away everything they had died and/or fought for . The 50+ generation is the major problem in the world though .

Minte · 08-23-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dehash

Why would people keep re-posting all news from around the world here?

From the same article.

Police are looking for two suspects. Witnesses described them as "young African American males of average build," according to a police statement.

It's stuff like this that undoes all the good in race relations that had started in the 70's.

The cable news stations will run with this for weeks.

Vendzilla · 08-23-2013, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

What has the "veteran" part to do with it? To give the old man even more sympathy? And make the teens look even more evil? like they knew the old man was a veteran... Like the old man was a veteran and nothing more then a veteran... Would it be less worse if it was not a veteran? Was he killed because he was a veteran? Media... hummm

The man served his country, those kids should get life and put in open population and gang raped on a daily basis.

GO FUCK YOURSELF

Struggle4Bucks · 08-23-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The man served his country, those kids should get life and put in open population and gang raped on a daily basis.

GO FUCK YOURSELF

Go try to suck yourself! It doesn't make anything worse... the only thing that is annoying is how the media wants to add more drama!

Struggle4Bucks · 08-23-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

those kids should get life and put in open population and gang raped on a daily basis.

Yes... but not because he was a veteran...

pornmasta · 08-23-2013, 08:31 AM

teen = 10 to 19 ?

pimpmaster9000 · 08-23-2013, 08:33 AM

so were 50million russians but you don't see them milk it for every fake "veteran" tear...

oh an okinawa was hell :D...he got a bullet to the leg...shit my friend shot himself in the ass is he special too?

Minte · 08-23-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

so were 50million russians but you don't see them milk it for every fake "veteran" tear...

oh an okinawa was hell :D...he got a bullet to the leg...shit my friend shot himself in the ass is he special too?

The veteran isn't milking anything, he's dead.

pornguy · 08-23-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

teen = 10 to 19 ?

Hrmm I always thought teen would be the ages that ended with teen. So. 13 14

Not 10teen and 11teen etc.

CurrentlySober · 08-23-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

...and put in open population

GENERAL population AKA 'GP'...

Lets at least get the terminology right...

After all, I have been there...

v4 media · 08-23-2013, 08:41 AM

Damn, reporting gets worse.

A retired aluminum company worker who served in the Pacific, Belton, friends say, took a bullet in the leg during the Battle of Okinawa. He survived that attack.

Err obviously

baddog · 08-23-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

teen = 10 to 19 ?

ummm, seriously?

pornguy · 08-23-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

The veteran isn't milking anything, he's dead.

Sad but true.

This guy posting this is also probably the kind that is ok labeling someone a Republican or Democrat when talking about buying milk. But god forbid someone that died has their past mentioned.

Struggle4Bucks · 08-23-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by v4 media

Damn, reporting gets worse.

A retired aluminum company worker who served in the Pacific, Belton, friends say, took a bullet in the leg during the Battle of Okinawa. He survived that attack.

Err obviously

baddog · 08-23-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Sad but true.

This guy posting this is also probably the kind that is ok labeling someone a Republican or Democrat when talking about buying milk. But god forbid someone that died has their past mentioned.

He's a dick, that has been obvious for a while.

pornmasta · 08-23-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

ummm, seriously?

10 is not the same thing as 19

Due · 08-23-2013, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

He's a dick, that has been obvious for a while.

He is extreme for sure

dragas · 08-23-2013, 08:58 AM

I believe in karma now.

Rochard · 08-23-2013, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

What has the "veteran" part to do with it? To give the old man even more sympathy? And make the teens look even more evil? like they knew the old man was a veteran... Like the old man was a veteran and nothing more then a veteran... Would it be less worse if it was not a veteran? Was he killed because he was a veteran? Media... hummm

A man goes to war to protect his country and is willing to put his life on the line, has more balls than you and I combined, only to have his life snuffed out in his golden years by two punk ass teens who will never amount to anything in life.

VikingMan · 08-23-2013, 09:03 AM

WWII Veteran = a person from a time when Americans were self sufficient, had higher morals, joined up to actually fight for the country not some GI Bill or because they had no job prospects (Yes there are still people who do this today but less of them). When people hear about Veterans who have bravely fought and risked their lives in a war zone come home and become victims of some thug they tend to get enraged but is it shows how savage people are becoming. Veterans deserve a little extra consideration when they come home from a war zone due to the fact they have physical, psychological, and financial hardships the rest of us cannot fully grasp.

88 years old= Crimes against the elderly are considered by most people to be the most vile right after crimes against children. If you attack old people you are complete filth and have no place in our society.

I imagine his guy is going to have a really big funeral. And he is going to be remembered for a long time for being yet another victim of racist/thuggish/hatemongers.

xNetworx · 08-23-2013, 09:07 AM

Just apes being apes

woj · 08-23-2013, 09:07 AM

I don't think Struggle4Bucks meant to disrespect veterans... he probably meant to point out how lame news media has become...

They basically operate like this:
1. find a tragedy
2. find some twist to it, something unique about it, etc
3. run it 24/7 for a week
4. find a new tragedy... rinse and repeat...

Vendzilla · 08-23-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Go try to suck yourself! It doesn't make anything worse... the only thing that is annoying is how the media wants to add more drama!

My grandfather received a bronze star, the family didn't even know that till he died and they put it on his grave stone at a veteran cemetery. Reason I say this is because in the news article, he should be given honor for what he did in life as any person should.

So if you have a problem with him being a Veteran, go fuck yourself

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

GENERAL population AKA 'GP'...

Lets at least get the terminology right...

After all, I have been there...

I stand corrected.

Struggle4Bucks · 08-23-2013, 09:11 AM

[QUOTE=Vendzilla;19770659]My grandfather received a bronze star, the family didn't even know that till he died and they put it on his grave stone at a veteran cemetery. Reason I say this is because in the news article, he should be given honor for what he did in life as any person should.

So if you have a problem with him being a Veteran, go fuck yourself

QUOTE]

I absolutely don't have a problem with him being a veteran. That's not my point... my point is how manipulative media operates...

Struggle4Bucks · 08-23-2013, 09:13 AM

People should ask themselfs why this guy was presented as a veteran that was killed. Like he was nothing more then a veteran. Like he didn't do anything between the war and his death. Media want society to go mad and hysterical about this... they want to widen contrast between the good and the bad to sell a more dramatic story. They want people to talk about this shit for weeks so that people don't think about other issues... for example... why government tells veterans to go fuck themself and let them rot in poverty! And why there is no more money for veterans:

The Great Default: Why Taxpayers Cannot Grow Their Way Out of the Government's Problem
Gary North - August 17, 2013

In assessing whether or not the United States government will be able to maintain Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid payments to all of the people who have been promised such payments, we must assess the ability of the federal government to collect sufficient revenues to make these payments.A standard suggestion by liberals, who deeply believe in these programs, is to say that what needs to be estimated is the Gross Domestic Product of the entire nation. Then, once this is estimated, it becomes possible to determine whether or not the federal government will be able to make the payments. Here is a recent example.

A fundamental problem with this approach is this: it assumes that the United States government has a legal claim on 100% of the productivity of the residents of the United States. This is politically naïve. We know from experience that the limit of the federal government's ability to collect revenues is somewhere in the range of 20% of GDP. It never exceeds this by much. It has not exceeded it since World War II, and it has never reached 21%. So, while it is instructive to look at what GDP is likely to be, there has to be a limit on the possibility of the federal government's extracting sufficient revenues to maintain its payments.

The next step is to assess what percentage of the federal budget can be allocated to maintaining these payments. One thing is certain: it is not 100%. The federal government has other responsibilities, and any attempt to cut back on any expenditures will be fought tooth and nail by organized groups that have a stake in the subsidies. Furthermore, there will be infighting within the federal bureaucracy as a matter of turf protection. Any attempt by the Social Security Administration to extract wealth, meaning budgetary allocations, from any of these rival federal bureaucracies will lead to a political standoff.

So, from the beginning, we must assume the following. First, it is unlikely that the federal government will be able to collect more than 20% of GDP from the public. Second, it is unlikely that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid will ever exceed 60% of the federal budget. It is around 50% today. There is too much political power lodged in other special-interest groups, which are represented by the bureaucracies within the federal government. These people will not give up without a series of political fights.

It is now highly unlikely that the economy of the United States in real terms will exceed an annual increase as high as 3% per annum. The GDP of the United States is around $17 trillion today. Multiply this by about 20%, or .2. That is about $3.5 trillion. At present, the government pulls in only about $2.5 trillion. It borrows the rest. Multiply this by .6: 60% of the budget. That is about $1.5 trillion. That is about the maximum that the government can expect to spend on the major items of the unfunded liabilities.

There is no way that an increase of 3% per annum to this figure of $1.5 trillion will enable the United States government to pay its obligations for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Kotlikoff estimated the present value of the unfunded liabilities in 2012 as $222 trillion. I know of no estimate that places this lower than about $70 trillion. Note: these are unfunded liabilities, not total expenditures on the programs.

There is no way statistically that this can be paid off. Liberals can dance around the figures, and pretend that "we" are going to grow our way out of this. We are not going to grow our way out of this. The government is going to default its way out of this.

It is indicative of the complete bankruptcy of the present political order that no national leader will face up publicly to these facts. This is true throughout the Western world. Back in 1999, Peter G. Peterson wrote in his book, Gray Dawn, that he had discussed this matter with political leaders around the world. He said that not one of them was unfamiliar with it, and he also said that not one of them had spoken publicly about it. Peterson was the chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations. He had access to these leaders. He was in a position to know what they believed. He was also in a position to know what they had done. What they believed had nothing to do with what they had done.

There is going to be a Great Default. There is no escape from this. People can prepare for it, or they can ignore it, but statistical games will not enable the United States government to do anything except default.

Struggle4Bucks · 08-23-2013, 09:14 AM

I'm really about to throw my television out of the window... or send it to africa...
I don't want to hear anymore of these fucking dramatizing fuckface media...

Rochard · 08-23-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

I don't think Struggle4Bucks meant to disrespect veterans... he probably meant to point out how lame news media has become...

They basically operate like this:
1. find a tragedy
2. find some twist to it, something unique about it, etc
3. run it 24/7 for a week
4. find a new tragedy... rinse and repeat...

That's all the news media has done since... The beginning of time.

Captain Kawaii · 08-23-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Its fitting, this generation has giving everything away everything they had died and/or fought for . The 50+ generation is the major problem in the world though .

And the under 30 generation is incapable of fixing it. Beyond incompetent.

Rochard · 08-23-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

People should ask themselfs why this guy was presented as a veteran that was killed. Like he was nothing more then a veteran. Like he didn't do anything between the war and his death. Media want society to go mad and hysterical about this... they want to widen contrast between the good and the bad to sell a more dramatic story. They want people to talk about this shit for weeks so that people don't think about other issues... for example... why government tells veterans to go fuck themself and let them rot in poverty! And why there is no more money for veterans:

Saying that he "accomplished nothing" between being a vet and his death is a horrible statement of society. He most likely worked all of his life, was productive, raised a family, and was a contributing member of society. Most importantly, he didn't commit murder.

Him being a vet is just the icing on the cake. Another older man was killed a year or two ago and it was also front page news. It's the senseless beating of an old man.

Captain Kawaii · 08-23-2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

I don't think Struggle4Bucks meant to disrespect veterans... he probably meant to point out how lame news media has become...

They basically operate like this:
1. find a tragedy
2. find some twist to it, something unique about it, etc
3. run it 24/7 for a week
4. find a new tragedy... rinse and repeat...

Saw them do this yesterday with a bus crash here. Bunch of old chinese people. Media kept saying "we tried to get a comment at the tour office but no one speaks english." The next channel had interviews with several people from the office who spoke perfect english.

Media loves hysteria. They can sell tampons at the break.

Vendzilla · 08-23-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Saying that he "accomplished nothing" between being a vet and his death is a horrible statement of society. He most likely worked all of his life, was productive, raised a family, and was a contributing member of society. Most importantly, he didn't commit murder.

Him being a vet is just the icing on the cake. Another older man was killed a year or two ago and it was also front page news. It's the senseless beating of an old man.

Exactly
Veterans should be treated well by the country they served.

Since he was shot, he probably had a purple heart.

This why we have Veteran Parades, Veteran Cemetery's and Veteran hospitals.
The news source gave credit where credit was deserved.

v4 media · 08-23-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

I don't think Struggle4Bucks meant to disrespect veterans... he probably meant to point out how lame news media has become...

They basically operate like this:
1. find a tragedy
2. find some twist to it, something unique about it, etc
3. run it 24/7 for a week
4. find a new tragedy... rinse and repeat...

Yep or insert info that has no bearing on the case.
Pretty 20 yearold dies in crash. (so if she´d been ugly it wouldn´t have been news)
Divorced Plumber mugged in Dallas (was he mugged cause he´s a plumber or divorced?)

However the UK media are worse they love to tell you how much people's houses are worth.

Simon's mother speaking today outside her 350K semi, said her son was a lovely child.

Sly · 08-23-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Maybe he was a post man after the war for many years... nobody wants to hear that?
I guess the veteran part makes the old man very morally good and the teens very morally bad...
Which makes the contrast between good and evil bigger so there is more drama for the news channels...

Well, the teens beat the guy to death. I don't think they will have any problem winning the "morally bad" award.

pinkz · 08-23-2013, 10:41 AM

52nd HD tilt their bonnets to this brave auld soul and condemn his killers to a life of misery and despair.

baddog · 08-23-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

10 is not the same thing as 19

I am glad we got that cleared up; perhaps we can move on to apples and oranges. Are they the same thing?

Robbie · 08-23-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

A man goes to war to protect his country and is willing to put his life on the line, has more balls than you and I combined, only to have his life snuffed out in his golden years by two punk ass teens who will never amount to anything in life.

But...weren't you all in those Zimmerman trial posts screaming that 17 year old Trayvon Martin was just a CHILD?

How can you be so angry at these two infants? They are younger than Trayvon Martin.

And you want to call them "punk ass teens" now?

Rochard, you have no sensitivity. These are practically toddlers.
Plus...this makes you a racist.

Calling young children "punk ass teens". You should be ashamed of yourself.
The poor little child that was arrested is only 16. Barely out of diapers.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 08-23-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I am glad we got that cleared up; perhaps we can move on to apples and oranges. Are they the same thing?

ADG

dyna mo · 08-23-2013, 11:39 AM

a valid reason for the newspaper to mention he was a ww2 vet is because they are dying off very quickly now due to natural reasons, it's worse when something like this happens.

i think it was appropriate to include that fact in the story and the title of the story

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Approximately every two minutes a memory of World War II – its sights and sounds, its terrors and triumphs – disappears. Yielding to the inalterable process of aging, the men and women who fought and won the great conflict are now in their 80s and 90s. They are dying quickly – at the rate of just over 600 a day, according to recent US Veterans Administration figures.

doing the basic math, all usa ww2 vets will be dead within ~5 years.

/

TheSquealer · 08-23-2013, 11:42 AM

Skittles = just a baby
No skittles = punk ass thug

Got it!

Just Alex · 08-23-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

From the same article.

Police are looking for two suspects. Witnesses described them as "young African American males of average build," according to a police statement.

Surely, Al and Jesse will take on this despicable racial profiling case?!

Barry-xlovecam · 08-23-2013, 12:36 PM

What low-life scumbags ** ...

8pt-buck · 08-23-2013, 12:38 PM

Heard of this tragedy listening the news today.

pornmasta · 08-23-2013, 12:42 PM

Rochard · 08-23-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

But...weren't you all in those Zimmerman trial posts screaming that 17 year old Trayvon Martin was just a CHILD?

How can you be so angry at these two infants? They are younger than Trayvon Martin.

And you want to call them "punk ass teens" now?

Rochard, you have no sensitivity. These are practically toddlers.
Plus...this makes you a racist.

Calling young children "punk ass teens". You should be ashamed of yourself.
The poor little child that was arrested is only 16. Barely out of diapers.

How does this make me a racist? Martin was black and I believe he was innocent; These two kids are being charged with murdering an older man without reason and without cause.

Rochard · 08-23-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Skittles = just a baby
No skittles = punk ass thug

Got it!

A seventeen year old kid who goes to the store to skittles is a kid who wants a snack.

Two sixteen year old boys who brutally murder an older man for kicks are in fact punk ass thugs.

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VikingMan Exploiting human weakness Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: next to a salmon stream Posts: 6,515	WWII Veteran = a person from a time when Americans were self sufficient, had higher morals, joined up to actually fight for the country not some GI Bill or because they had no job prospects (Yes there are still people who do this today but less of them). When people hear about Veterans who have bravely fought and risked their lives in a war zone come home and become victims of some thug they tend to get enraged but is it shows how savage people are becoming. Veterans deserve a little extra consideration when they come home from a war zone due to the fact they have physical, psychological, and financial hardships the rest of us cannot fully grasp. 88 years old= Crimes against the elderly are considered by most people to be the most vile right after crimes against children. If you attack old people you are complete filth and have no place in our society. I imagine his guy is going to have a really big funeral. And he is going to be remembered for a long time for being yet another victim of racist/thuggish/hatemongers. Last edited by VikingMan; 08-23-2013 at 09:04 AM..

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Struggle4Bucks Sieg Hi! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: Lissabon Posts: 3,615	[QUOTE=Vendzilla;19770659]My grandfather received a bronze star, the family didn't even know that till he died and they put it on his grave stone at a veteran cemetery. Reason I say this is because in the news article, he should be given honor for what he did in life as any person should. So if you have a problem with him being a Veteran, go fuck yourself QUOTE] I absolutely don't have a problem with him being a veteran. That's not my point... my point is how manipulative media operates... __________________ Half troll half amazing!

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Struggle4Bucks Sieg Hi! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: Lissabon Posts: 3,615	People should ask themselfs why this guy was presented as a veteran that was killed. Like he was nothing more then a veteran. Like he didn't do anything between the war and his death. Media want society to go mad and hysterical about this... they want to widen contrast between the good and the bad to sell a more dramatic story. They want people to talk about this shit for weeks so that people don't think about other issues... for example... why government tells veterans to go fuck themself and let them rot in poverty! And why there is no more money for veterans: The Great Default: Why Taxpayers Cannot Grow Their Way Out of the Government's Problem Gary North - August 17, 2013 In assessing whether or not the United States government will be able to maintain Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid payments to all of the people who have been promised such payments, we must assess the ability of the federal government to collect sufficient revenues to make these payments.A standard suggestion by liberals, who deeply believe in these programs, is to say that what needs to be estimated is the Gross Domestic Product of the entire nation. Then, once this is estimated, it becomes possible to determine whether or not the federal government will be able to make the payments. Here is a recent example. A fundamental problem with this approach is this: it assumes that the United States government has a legal claim on 100% of the productivity of the residents of the United States. This is politically naïve. We know from experience that the limit of the federal government's ability to collect revenues is somewhere in the range of 20% of GDP. It never exceeds this by much. It has not exceeded it since World War II, and it has never reached 21%. So, while it is instructive to look at what GDP is likely to be, there has to be a limit on the possibility of the federal government's extracting sufficient revenues to maintain its payments. The next step is to assess what percentage of the federal budget can be allocated to maintaining these payments. One thing is certain: it is not 100%. The federal government has other responsibilities, and any attempt to cut back on any expenditures will be fought tooth and nail by organized groups that have a stake in the subsidies. Furthermore, there will be infighting within the federal bureaucracy as a matter of turf protection. Any attempt by the Social Security Administration to extract wealth, meaning budgetary allocations, from any of these rival federal bureaucracies will lead to a political standoff. So, from the beginning, we must assume the following. First, it is unlikely that the federal government will be able to collect more than 20% of GDP from the public. Second, it is unlikely that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid will ever exceed 60% of the federal budget. It is around 50% today. There is too much political power lodged in other special-interest groups, which are represented by the bureaucracies within the federal government. These people will not give up without a series of political fights. It is now highly unlikely that the economy of the United States in real terms will exceed an annual increase as high as 3% per annum. The GDP of the United States is around $17 trillion today. Multiply this by about 20%, or .2. That is about $3.5 trillion. At present, the government pulls in only about $2.5 trillion. It borrows the rest. Multiply this by .6: 60% of the budget. That is about $1.5 trillion. That is about the maximum that the government can expect to spend on the major items of the unfunded liabilities. There is no way that an increase of 3% per annum to this figure of $1.5 trillion will enable the United States government to pay its obligations for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Kotlikoff estimated the present value of the unfunded liabilities in 2012 as $222 trillion. I know of no estimate that places this lower than about $70 trillion. Note: these are unfunded liabilities, not total expenditures on the programs. There is no way statistically that this can be paid off. Liberals can dance around the figures, and pretend that "we" are going to grow our way out of this. We are not going to grow our way out of this. The government is going to default its way out of this. It is indicative of the complete bankruptcy of the present political order that no national leader will face up publicly to these facts. This is true throughout the Western world. Back in 1999, Peter G. Peterson wrote in his book, Gray Dawn, that he had discussed this matter with political leaders around the world. He said that not one of them was unfamiliar with it, and he also said that not one of them had spoken publicly about it. Peterson was the chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations. He had access to these leaders. He was in a position to know what they believed. He was also in a position to know what they had done. What they believed had nothing to do with what they had done. There is going to be a Great Default. There is no escape from this. People can prepare for it, or they can ignore it, but statistical games will not enable the United States government to do anything except default. __________________ Half troll half amazing!

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