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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818
    #1

    Pic of a Tesla drive line

    This is the complete driveline of a Tesla s model. It's no wonder the other car manufacturers are trying to kill it. They stand to lose millions when people don't have lots of mechanical problems for over priced auto repairs.



    Any shade tree mechanic could simply unbolt one of the electric motors and replace it in a hour or two.
    Last edited by crockett; 08-19-2013, 04:30 AM.
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    • bronco67
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      • Dec 2006
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      #2
      They tried to kill the electric car a decade ago, and partially succeeded. But they won't be able to stop the technology shift this time. It's coming, and people will driving electric cars whether they ever thought they would or not.

      When the price to manufacture and sell gets low enough, the proposition of not paying for overpriced gas will be too attractive.

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        • L-Pink
          working on my tan
          • Mar 2005
          • 39151
          #3
          Originally posted by bronco67
          They tried to kill the electric car a decade ago, and partially succeeded. But they won't be able to stop the technology shift this time. It's coming, and people will driving electric cars whether they ever thought they would or not.

          When the price to manufacture and sell gets low enough, the proposition of not paying for overpriced gas will be too attractive.
          Chevy Volt with a 40 mile cruising range? Just a novelty car. 250-300 mile like the Tesla? Game changer for everyone.

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            • PR_Glen
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              • Oct 2006
              • 9058
              #4
              Originally posted by bronco67
              They tried to kill the electric car a decade ago, and partially succeeded. But they won't be able to stop the technology shift this time. It's coming, and people will driving electric cars whether they ever thought they would or not.

              When the price to manufacture and sell gets low enough, the proposition of not paying for overpriced gas will be too attractive.
              they killed it for a reason, it didn't make money. The demand wasn't high enough to get the costs down to make it both affordable and profitable, simple as that.
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                • slapass
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                  #5
                  The crazy thing is people rarely drive over 100 miles a day. The ideal is a cheaper electric car and we rent big gas guzzlers to go on trips.

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                    • NJMotorhead
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                      • Jun 2013
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                      #6
                      Originally posted by PR_Glen
                      they killed it for a reason, it didn't make money. The demand wasn't high enough to get the costs down to make it both affordable and profitable, simple as that.
                      You ever watch Who Killed the Electric Car? Will really change your perspective on what you just said
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                        • dyna mo
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                          • Dec 2008
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by crockett

                          Any shade tree mechanic could simply unbolt one of the electric motors and replace it in a hour or two.


                          tesla charges over $8000 just for labor to put in new batteries, which cost $30k.

                          an electric motor swap in a couple hours by a layperson with a sears toolkit?

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                            • NewNick
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                              #8
                              Thats great - but where will all the electricity come from ?
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                                • Paul&John
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                                  #9
                                  The only issue with model s could be the 'battery' life.. and how expensive will it be to replace..
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                                    • crockett
                                      in a van by the river
                                      • May 2003
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by NewNick
                                      Thats great - but where will all the electricity come from ?
                                      That is a short term issue. Yes more electric cars will create a bigger need for electricity. It's still cheaper to produce more power than to make more gas.

                                      Producing electricity can also be done in a green and renewable way where producing more gas can't.
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                                        • crockett
                                          in a van by the river
                                          • May 2003
                                          • 76818
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by dyna mo


                                          tesla charges over $8000 just for labor to put in new batteries, which cost $30k.

                                          an electric motor swap in a couple hours by a layperson with a sears toolkit?

                                          That's because on a Tesla the batteries are part of the frame. Replacement is very involved hence that's a major expense.

                                          The cost of the batteries will go down as more of these cars are produced. Its just like solar. Prices for solar panels are now way under $1 watt where they were several dollars per watt just a few years ago.
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                                            • L-Pink
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                                              • Mar 2005
                                              • 39151
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                              That's because on a Tesla the batteries are part of the frame. Replacement is very involved hence that's a major expense.

                                              The cost of the batteries will go down as more of these cars are produced. Its just like solar. Prices for solar panels are now way under $1 watt where they were several dollars per watt just a few years ago.
                                              I thought I read about a quick change program under development for their batteries?

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                                                • crockett
                                                  in a van by the river
                                                  • May 2003
                                                  • 76818
                                                  #13
                                                  Not sure, I just know in the article I read that the batteries were supposedly built into the frame on the type S at least.

                                                  Basically that floor pan that you see in the pic is the batteries.
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                                                    • bronco67
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                                                      • Dec 2006
                                                      • 29032
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by NJMotorhead
                                                      You ever watch Who Killed the Electric Car? Will really change your perspective on what you just said
                                                      I saw that movie too. There was really devious shit going on there.

                                                      I wouldn't be surprised if the oil companies don't start a hit list for this round.

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                                                        • TheSquealer
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                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                          • 26174
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by NJMotorhead
                                                          You ever watch Who Killed the Electric Car? Will really change your perspective on what you just said
                                                          Yeah..... Except it won't change his perspective to watch a retarded propaganda piece. It soooooooooo obviously took decades longer for electric cars and battery/charging technology to even become feasible.
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                                                            • dyna mo
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                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                              • 68184
                                                              #16
                                                              tesla is introducing a battery swap program that swaps the batteries in the same time as filling a tank with petrol, and they do have a *warranty* program were you can pre-buy a replacement battery system for $12k.

                                                              nevertheless, it's all across the net that if you brick your tesla battery, a replacement is $32k + $8k labor, etc.

                                                              not saying i understand that, but my original point is backed-up by it, i don't yet see this car as a shade-tree wrench car. there might not be as many moving parts as an internal combustion engine, but this car is very sophisticated.

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                                                                • L-Pink
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                                                                  • Mar 2005
                                                                  • 39151
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                  tesla is introducing a battery swap program that swaps the batteries in the same time as filling a tank with petrol, and they do have a *warranty* program were you can pre-buy a replacement battery system for $12k.

                                                                  nevertheless, it's all across the net that if you brick your tesla battery, a replacement is $32k + $8k labor, etc.

                                                                  not saying i understand that, but my original point is backed-up by it, i don't yet see this car as a shade-tree wrench car. there might not be as many moving parts as an internal combustion engine, but this car is very sophisticated.
                                                                  With a "swap" program as an option for charging how will you be responsible for batteries if you had multiple swaps done on a trip?


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                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                      • 68184
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                      With a "swap" program as an option for charging how will you be responsible for batteries if you had multiple swaps done on a trip?


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                                                                      i think what happens at the station is the swapped battery gets recharged,.... and the next guy gets the next one fully charged. i haven't come across anything about how it will be managed/logged. fucking elon musk is a brainiac for sure and prolly sorted that,lolz. a lot of the press coverage for the rollout of the quickswap program was overshadowed by musk's releasing info about his hyperloop program @ ~ the same time so not much is out there yet.
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                                                                        • baddog
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                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                          • 107089
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I watched a friend on Facebook over the weekend that had to recharge his car three times on the way home from 100 miles. I guess they last longer in the daylight.

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                                                                            • Creatine
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by bronco67
                                                                              They tried to kill the electric car a decade ago, and partially succeeded. But they won't be able to stop the technology shift this time. It's coming, and people will driving electric cars whether they ever thought they would or not.

                                                                              When the price to manufacture and sell gets low enough, the proposition of not paying for overpriced gas will be too attractive.
                                                                              You know even if we switch to electric cars. Electricity prices will fly up. We'll be paying more for our regular home electric bills.

                                                                              The government will find a way to monetize/regulate electricity.

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                                                                                • Scott McD
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                                                                                  • Nov 2002
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  The government, oil companies, electricity companies will always win.

                                                                                  People will always get fucked over, no matter what route they choose to go down...


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                                                                                    • blackmonsters
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by NewNick
                                                                                      Thats great - but where will all the electricity come from ?
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                                                                                        • crockett
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                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                          • 76818
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Scott McD
                                                                                          The government, oil companies, electricity companies will always win.

                                                                                          People will always get fucked over, no matter what route they choose to go down...
                                                                                          Well far as electric for homes you can power your home and be off grid if you choose to do so. It's just like anything else you have to be willing to make sacrifices.
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                                                                                            • Nathan
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                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                              • 3108
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Tesla batteries are bolted in, not fused, so they can easily be removed from the bottom of the car.

                                                                                              80 seconds it takes, less than $100 is the cost. And it is fully automated. They are adding it to their supercharging stations.

                                                                                              The battery issue is solved. Check the link on the bottom of teslamotors.con
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                                                                                                • _Richard_
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                                                                                                  • Oct 2006
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by NJMotorhead
                                                                                                  You ever watch Who Killed the Electric Car? Will really change your perspective on what you just said


                                                                                                  doubt it

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                                                                                                    • 2MuchMark
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                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                      • 50971
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                                      Chevy Volt with a 40 mile cruising range? Just a novelty car. 250-300 mile like the Tesla? Game changer for everyone.
                                                                                                      I agree. The Volt is a nice car but the electic range is too short. Tesla Fucking Rocks.



                                                                                                      Originally posted by PR_Glen
                                                                                                      they killed it for a reason, it didn't make money. The demand wasn't high enough to get the costs down to make it both affordable and profitable, simple as that.
                                                                                                      Not true. There was a demand. Watch "Who killed the electric car".



                                                                                                      Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                                      The crazy thing is people rarely drive over 100 miles a day. The ideal is a cheaper electric car and we rent big gas guzzlers to go on trips.
                                                                                                      Thats right. And here's the thing. I *LOVE* the idea of an electric car. I really really really want one. Gasoline is expensive and stinks and pollutes and no matter how snazzy the car, I think that gas engines are ANCIENT Technology. With all of that though I still found myself with "Range Anxiety" when test-driving the Chevy Volt. I just could not take my eyes off of the quickly diminishing battery charge.

                                                                                                      Driving Tesla's though should be different. I am really close to buyone one but I find myself constantly looking for new charging stations in my area (there are now 2 - phew!), and trying to decide on buying the car with the larger battery, etc etc...

                                                                                                      Range anxiety by the potential buyer has to be the hardest part for any electric car salesman to overcome. I KNOW how much I drive (little) and I KNOW I can charge up anywhere here in Montreal now, but STILL... argh.


                                                                                                      Originally posted by NewNick
                                                                                                      Thats great - but where will all the electricity come from ?
                                                                                                      Your house! You can plug your car in at home. If you are in Canada you can pay $3.50 a charge at any electric charging station. If you are in the US you can use Tesla's super chargers to charge your car for free. (Yes, free electricity)


                                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul&John
                                                                                                      The only issue with model s could be the 'battery' life.. and how expensive will it be to replace..
                                                                                                      Tesla offers 8 year replacement warranty on their batteries. Batteries are expensive today ($10k buys you an upgrade from 65kw to 80kw or something like that). Batteries are coming down in price though, just like all other technology.

                                                                                                      Btw Tesla swaps the batteries for free as long as they are under warranty.


                                                                                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                      I watched a friend on Facebook over the weekend that had to recharge his car three times on the way home from 100 miles. I guess they last longer in the daylight.
                                                                                                      What kind of car?


                                                                                                      Originally posted by Creatine
                                                                                                      You know even if we switch to electric cars. Electricity prices will fly up. We'll be paying more for our regular home electric bills.

                                                                                                      The government will find a way to monetize/regulate electricity.
                                                                                                      Maybe but the government is also helping people and businesses go electric. The government pays you $8000 to buy an all electric card. They also lend money to you to buy a charger, and lend money to businesses to add charging stations. They also partnered with big local companies such as Rona Hardware, St. Hubert, Metro, AMT and Hydro Quebec to roll out electric charging station. There are already 10 stations in Montreal alone.

                                                                                                      Originally posted by _Richard_


                                                                                                      doubt it
                                                                                                      Too bad - you should really watch it.

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                                                                                                        • SuckOnThis
                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                                                          • 6844
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Ironic that the main concern is battery life and electricity when Tesla (the man) invented and patented a way to transmit electricity wirelessly but couldnt get the funds to continue the project because there was no way to meter the usage.






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                                                                                                            • baddog
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                                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                                              • 107089
                                                                                                              #28


                                                                                                              You tell me.

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                                                                                                                • _Richard_
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                                                                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                  • 30991
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MarkPrince



                                                                                                                  Too bad - you should really watch it.
                                                                                                                  you should probably read what i was laughing at, one more time.

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                                                                                                                        • DraX
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Creatine
                                                                                                                          You know even if we switch to electric cars. Electricity prices will fly up. We'll be paying more for our regular home electric bills.

                                                                                                                          The government will find a way to monetize/regulate electricity.
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                                                                                                                          Whatever the gov will do any solarpanels will balance it out, hopefully.
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                                                                                                                            • SilentKnight
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by NewNick
                                                                                                                              Thats great - but where will all the electricity come from ?
                                                                                                                              We're seeing no shortages locally.

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                                                                                                                                • BFT3K
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                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2005
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                                                                  Chevy Volt with a 40 mile cruising range? Just a novelty car. 250-300 mile like the Tesla? Game changer for everyone.
                                                                                                                                  I could be wrong, but doesn't the Volt also accept gasoline to run a generator that powers the battery? If so, you should theoretically be able to travel far more than 40 miles without the need to recharge by plug, no?
                                                                                                                                  Last edited by BFT3K; 08-19-2013, 05:30 PM.

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                                                                                                                                    • BFT3K
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                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2005
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SuckOnThis
                                                                                                                                      Ironic that the main concern is battery life and electricity when Tesla (the man) invented and patented a way to transmit electricity wirelessly but couldnt get the funds to continue the project because there was no way to meter the usage.





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                                                                                                                                          You people and your fancy electric and fossil fuel cars...



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                                                                                                                                            • Barry-xlovecam
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              What is the usage cycle until battery replacement?

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                                                                                                                                                • winter_
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                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2013
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  tesla would have to be production only, do they have dealers?

                                                                                                                                                  i need to see more than just the base, i need to see exterior, interior, i look all over a car if i'm buying.

                                                                                                                                                  mitsubishi has the i-meav by the way, but a pricey sixty grand! i could buy an entire fleet of used mazda 2's for that money! :D
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                                                                                                                                                    • Dvae
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                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by MarkPrince

                                                                                                                                                      Maybe but the government is also helping people and businesses go electric. The government pays you $8000 to buy an all electric card. They also lend money to you to buy a charger, and lend money to businesses to add charging stations. They also partnered with big local companies such as Rona Hardware, St. Hubert, Metro, AMT and Hydro Quebec to roll out electric charging station. There are already 10 stations in Montreal alone.
                                                                                                                                                      Oh now I get it, the government ie. taxpayers will pay me to buy the car, pay for all maintainence, I demand that the government also pay for the electricity to charge the batteries.

                                                                                                                                                      Please explain how anybody will be able to afford the electricity prices when "your boy" gets through with this racket. As of 2009 according to Wikipedia Coal generates 45% and Natural Gas 25%. Tell me how this will be replaced. Solar, not a chance. Nuclear I don't think so.


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                                                                                                                                                        • winter_
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          i have seen a diagram of the mitsubishi i-meav and the car has a giant battery underneath it like a mobile armoury.

                                                                                                                                                          so if the tesla has a generator on each axel the japanese have gone a different route with a battery underneath the car.

                                                                                                                                                          the problem in this country is too much money is spent on expressways when like half or a quarter guaranteed could be spent on public transportation to move many more people at one time more efficiently. here in the hood and outside of it, the bus company doesn't pay for itself here running huge losses.

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                                                                                                                                                            • BFT3K
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                                                                                                                                                              Don't be afraid of the future...

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                                                                                                                                                                • signupdamnit
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                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by winter_
                                                                                                                                                                  the problem in this country is too much money is spent on expressways when like half or a quarter guaranteed could be spent on public transportation to move many more people at one time more efficiently. here in the hood and outside of it, the bus company doesn't pay for itself here running huge losses.
                                                                                                                                                                  United States? Good point. Consider all the money which is spent on buying cars, interest, gas, repairs, registration fees, and things like insurance. It's huge. And consider the impact on the average middle class person. There are many entities profiting handsomely from the expectation that most people must have a personal vehicle and that people should pay hundreds or thousands a month to various companies in order to keep it.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Dvae
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                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by winter_
                                                                                                                                                                      i have seen a diagram of the mitsubishi i-meav and the car has a giant battery underneath it like a mobile armoury.

                                                                                                                                                                      so if the tesla has a generator on each axel the japanese have gone a different route with a battery underneath the car.

                                                                                                                                                                      the problem in this country is too much money is spent on expressways when like half or a quarter guaranteed could be spent on public transportation to move many more people at one time more efficiently. here in the hood and outside of it, the bus company doesn't pay for itself here running huge losses.
                                                                                                                                                                      You have apparently never traveled by Public Transportation.
                                                                                                                                                                      In my local area we have Transit busses which I thought I would utilize while I had some work done on my vehicle. Was I in for a shock.

                                                                                                                                                                      The route I needed to travel required about a 1/4 mile walk from the repair shop to the Bus stop. No problem, then on the other end at my house about a block. Now this route I can drive in about 20 mins with my vehicle but the Transit Bus over 2 hrs according to the estimate given online when I checked the route and where to catch the right bus.
                                                                                                                                                                      I ended up renting a vehicle across the street from the repair shop.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
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                                                                                                                                                                          I get a little over 40 mpg on my harley
                                                                                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                          think about that

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