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born4porn 08-17-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficTitan (Post 19762849)
I don't remember is saying anything about being in geostationary orbit. Looked more like low earth orbit. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to see details of it from Earth if it was that high up.

Atmosphere doesn't escape because of the artificial gravity created by the wheel spinning. Also the walls are high and curved slightly inwards.

The sunlight I think is artificially created. That's not that the sun at all.

The Med Pod technology is deliberately withheld from the general population. Only Elysium citizens can use it. Yes they are evil.

When it is rebooted it made everyone a citizen of Elysium. Most of the system is automated so now everyone gets Med Pods. Max's brain implant was not designed to hold that much data. They said it was 50Xbits. Also it could not be fully downloaded to anywhere but the Elysium core as the code was protected. They are not dressed like robots, they are robots.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

2MuchMark 08-17-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 19762457)
Do you bring a calculator to every movie you see? What are your calculations on the millenium falcon doing the kessel run in under 12 parsecs? If you tell me the math isn't right on that I am going to go burn my dvds right now.

Actually, a Parsec is a measurement of distance, not time. A parsec is equal to 3.08567758 × 1016 meters or about 3.25 light years. When Han said this quote, he technically got it wrong.

Star Wars nerds will say that he was talking about his piloting skills, suggesting that the "Kessel run" is a kind of obstacle course with more than one path to take to get to the end. A good pilot, maybe, could do that path in a shorter distance.

However Han clearly says its a "Fast Ship", and brags about doing the Kessel run in less than 12 Parsecs. In that case, he is either an idiot, or George Lucas made a GLARING TECHNICAL ERROR that still keeps me up at night. Doesn't it keep you up at night?

Arrghh..

Mickey_ 08-17-2013 05:41 PM

Mark, I think it's fair to assume that you belong to the very small minority of physics/space geeks that went to see that movie. It's a very mainstream movie, while you were yelling "FALSE", 99% of the moviegoers went "WOW".

I am certain, however, that there will be lots of technical errors to discuss at an upcoming Trekkie convention. :winkwink:

2MuchMark 08-17-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19762408)
Luckily only 5% of the population can spot these errors :)

We know.


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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19762409)
It's a movie dude, chill
:1orglaugh

Arrghhh!


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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19762461)
Please give us a detailed breakdown on the technical errors of Star Wars while you're at it.

The Death Star was a globe, not a spinning wheel. It could be argued that its gravity was from its own mass. However if this was true it would have been detectable from much further way. It would have required an enormous amount of energy to get from point A to point B. During deceleration it would have had to have converted all of that momentum into light and heat also making it detachable. It's proximity to the planets it attacks would have destroyed those planets without the need of an energy weapon, and -


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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC (Post 19762469)
Yeah, your a rare breed, Prometheus had more holes and the worst storey line I ever saw, yet people loved it, glad i'm the 1% above the rest when it comes to common sense. To like the movie you would have to ignore obviously garbage .

You sir, are awesome and correct.

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Originally Posted by waxman (Post 19762485)
Or you know you could enjoy the movie for what it is SCIENCE "FICTION".
Fiction is the form of any work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not real, but rather, imaginary and theoretical—that is, invented by the author.

I hear you, but sometimes I want a little more SCIENCE in my Science Fiction. Salads once in a while instead of big macs are a good thing.

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Originally Posted by boziffous (Post 19762527)
According to the numbers you stated wouldn't the transport ships have to be traveling at a little over 444,000 miles per hour to make the trip in 3 minutes?

Yes you are right.

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Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 19762556)
Spoiler alert...
It is actually 19 minutes to get to the station, as clearly stated by Jodi Foster's character. .

Sorry I must have missed that. In movie-time it takes them only a few minutes but ok lets say its 19 minutes. To travel 22,236 miles in 19 minutes you would have to go 70,218 miles per hour. To do it in 3 minutes and using Boziffous corrected math the ship would have to go 444,720 miles per hour.



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Originally Posted by SocialAssassin (Post 19762560)
I did not like the fact that Kruger did not die when his head was half blown off but that is about the only problem I had with it all.

Right. They can fix his face and yet can't fix the main character's brain. Yes they addressed when another character said it at one point but it was an over-dub and sounded like a weak attempt to fix a glaring pot hole to me.

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Originally Posted by PiracyPitbull (Post 19762610)
Suspension of disbelief - most cinema goer's aren't going to be concerning themselves with the math behind space travel etc.
It's entertainment, not a physics test.

I agree. I loved Man of Steel and comic book movies and all kinds of other flicks especially TREK flicks. Elysium just sucked thats all.

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19762622)
A really smart person is someone who knows stuff, but knows when to forget that stuff for 2 hours and enjoy some entertainment.

d'oh, snap.

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 19762784)
Sorry about your Autism :(

Thank you.


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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19762842)
I can only imagine the shit you gave the poor concession kid who improperly buttered your popcorn.

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Originally Posted by Mickey_ (Post 19762923)
Mark, I think it's fair to assume that you belong to the very small minority of physics/space geeks that went to see that movie. It's a very mainstream movie, while you were yelling "FALSE", 99% of the moviegoers went "WOW".

I am certain, however, that there will be lots of technical errors to discuss at an upcoming Trekkie convention. :winkwink:

Nah... don't get me wrong I love sci-fi movies... maybe I'm just tired of the "action" flicks and want something that stimulates my noggin. I have been hoping that Europa Report would come to threaters near here but haven't see it yet.

One movie I am REALLY looking forward to is 2014's INTERSTELLAR. Written by Chris Nolan (Inception) and KIP THORNE (GASP!). Finally, some brain candy.

adultmobile 08-17-2013 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19762919)
Actually, a Parsec is a measurement of distance, not time. A parsec is equal to 3.08567758 × 1016 meters or about 3.25 light years. When Han said this quote, he technically got it wrong.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/8aec76213...co6_r2_250.gif


wehateporn 08-17-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19762243)
So many.... [Warning : Spoilers]

- Elysium is a giant spinning space station in geostationary orbit which is 22,236 miles straight up, but it takes spaceships that take off from the ground only about 3 minutes to get there.

- This would also mean that those little transport ships would have to travel a little more than 7,400 miles per hour. Even if they could do it they would have to accelerate at over 82 miles per second per second (about 3.74 g's) until they got half-way there and then decelerate at -82 miles per second per second to land. While the rebels could handle it the passengers couldn't. Yes of course this is just a sci-fi movie but I guess I was expecting 2001 a space odyssey.

- Elysium has an atmosphere yet nothing to contain it. This shown not once but twice as space ships "crash land" onto its "surface". Without a seal for its "sky" the atmosphere would escape.

- Elysium is always show "flat" or just about parallel to the earth. As the residents live on the inside-edge of a spinning wheel, sunlight would be coming in front the far edge of the wheel but instead it is always "overhead". The sun also never appears to change directions despite the spin of the wheel.

- Though not in the movie it is established that the residents of Elysium have "Med Pods" to cure all disease in every home (Because of increased exposure to radiation from space maybe?). If they are cheap enough to have in homes why aren't they on earth? They are cheap enough to make after all and even if they weren't it would still be much cheaper to pay to use it on earth than to fly to space to use it.

- "Re-Boot Elysium?" "To make all earthlings civilians"? "So everyone can be cured?" And the "code" is in someone's brain? That can be copied? That kills the host after it is copied? And that eventually just looks like random characters? Oh and they dress-up like Robots too. STUPID!

Elysium is a nice-looking movie for sure but check your brain at the door if you want to enjoy it.


Almost as bad as Kubrick's work :2 cents:


icymelon 08-17-2013 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19762243)
So many.... [Warning : Spoilers]

- Elysium is a giant spinning space station in geostationary orbit which is 22,236 miles straight up, but it takes spaceships that take off from the ground only about 3 minutes to get there.

- This would also mean that those little transport ships would have to travel a little more than 7,400 miles per hour. Even if they could do it they would have to accelerate at over 82 miles per second per second (about 3.74 g's) until they got half-way there and then decelerate at -82 miles per second per second to land. While the rebels could handle it the passengers couldn't. Yes of course this is just a sci-fi movie but I guess I was expecting 2001 a space odyssey.

- Elysium has an atmosphere yet nothing to contain it. This shown not once but twice as space ships "crash land" onto its "surface". Without a seal for its "sky" the atmosphere would escape.

- Elysium is always show "flat" or just about parallel to the earth. As the residents live on the inside-edge of a spinning wheel, sunlight would be coming in front the far edge of the wheel but instead it is always "overhead". The sun also never appears to change directions despite the spin of the wheel.

- Though not in the movie it is established that the residents of Elysium have "Med Pods" to cure all disease in every home (Because of increased exposure to radiation from space maybe?). If they are cheap enough to have in homes why aren't they on earth? They are cheap enough to make after all and even if they weren't it would still be much cheaper to pay to use it on earth than to fly to space to use it.

- "Re-Boot Elysium?" "To make all earthlings civilians"? "So everyone can be cured?" And the "code" is in someone's brain? That can be copied? That kills the host after it is copied? And that eventually just looks like random characters? Oh and they dress-up like Robots too. STUPID!

Elysium is a nice-looking movie for sure but check your brain at the door if you want to enjoy it.

I remember them saying it was a 16 minute flight

Grapesoda 08-17-2013 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19762790)
Matt Damon spilled a box of 200 matches, and the correct number of isosceles triangles were formed, which would be about 10. But two of them were technically trapezoids so the movie sucks.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

bronco67 08-17-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19762873)
spoiler alert



i didnt get why they didnt heal children. why didnt they have a healing machines on earth to heal workers? movie didnt have too many details on some things. if max had a label to get healed why didnt they heal him? :helpme

That was the point of the movie. Life sucked unless you were rich enough to live up there.

baddog 08-17-2013 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19762919)
Actually, a Parsec is a measurement of distance, not time. A parsec is equal to 3.08567758 × 1016 meters or about 3.25 light years. When Han said this quote, he technically got it wrong.

Star Wars nerds will say that he was talking about his piloting skills, suggesting that the "Kessel run" is a kind of obstacle course with more than one path to take to get to the end. A good pilot, maybe, could do that path in a shorter distance.

However Han clearly says its a "Fast Ship", and brags about doing the Kessel run in less than 12 Parsecs. In that case, he is either an idiot, or George Lucas made a GLARING TECHNICAL ERROR that still keeps me up at night. Doesn't it keep you up at night?

Arrghh..

I've read about kids like you; I just figured it was an urban legend.

baddog 08-17-2013 10:28 PM

http://inkspillsinc.files.wordpress....t-woman111.jpg

Obviously more than 50' tall

2MuchMark 08-17-2013 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficTitan (Post 19762849)
I don't remember is saying anything about being in geostationary orbit. Looked more like low earth orbit. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to see details of it from Earth if it was that high up.

They don't say it, but it would have to be. It is always in the same place in the sky. It has no rockets to to move it. Something that big in low earth orbit would be torn to pieces by debris ("space garbage") and by the drag of the earth, and require almost constant rocket thrusts to nudge it back into orbit. Something that big and heavy would have to either be in Geo Stationary orbit or, I guess it might be possible that it is at the Lagrangian point (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point) where almost no propulsion of any kind would be required to keep it where it needs to be.

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Originally Posted by TrafficTitan (Post 19762849)
Atmosphere doesn't escape because of the artificial gravity created by the wheel spinning.

The problem though is that the wheel could not spin fast enough to do this without squashing the people and buildings. It would also require much more energy to do this than it would to simply seal the wheel.

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Originally Posted by TrafficTitan (Post 19762849)
Also the walls are high and curved slightly inwards.

Doesn't matter. don't forget that they don't just need to keep the atmosphere in - they also have to maintain the atmospheric pressure. Without enough pressure, humans would pop out of their skin.

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Originally Posted by TrafficTitan (Post 19762849)
The sunlight I think is artificially created. That's not that the sun at all.

Nope! First you do see the sun in the movie while on Elysium and if they did use artificial light instead of the sun that would be yet another GLARING TECHNICAL ERROR. It would be hugely inefficient not to take advantage of the sun.

And in fact, one of the reasons why they have the med pods on Elysium is because there is so much radiation they people get alot of cancer. These handy-dandy med-pods fix them right up.

And to make my point, here is a picture from Elysium:

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/def...?itok=YVGyPtGZ

Notice the earth? The sun is to its right, yet the light on the leaves are coming from overhead.

They didn't always get it wrong though. This picture:

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/-RSDaRttpzk/maxresdefault.jpg

Is amazing. wow.

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Originally Posted by TrafficTitan (Post 19762849)
The Med Pod technology is deliberately withheld from the general population. Only Elysium citizens can use it. Yes they are evil.

Ok they are evil, but they are also money-grubbers. Why didn't anything come up with the idea to install Med-pod stations on the ground and charge for their use? FUCK Elysium sucks.

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Originally Posted by TrafficTitan (Post 19762849)
When it is rebooted it made everyone a citizen of Elysium. Most of the system is automated so now everyone gets Med Pods.

I know, but didn't this just kill you? The way to make a giant spaceship computer give free meds to everyone is to just reboot it? Don't you just want to choke the idiot who OK'ed the writing team here?

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Originally Posted by TrafficTitan (Post 19762849)
Max's brain implant was not designed to hold that much data. They said it was 50Xbits. Also it could not be fully downloaded to anywhere but the Elysium core as the code was protected.

Weak plot point. Ok I guess as it explains the WHY, but still...

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrafficTitan (Post 19762849)
They are not dressed like robots, they are robots.

Don't get me started on them thar robots.... I really couldn't tell if they were supposed to be robots or dudes in heavy armour.

This movie is sooooo insulting.

2MuchMark 08-17-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19763046)

Obviously more than 50' tall

It's ok. I know you're happy being fed pablum.

2MuchMark 08-17-2013 11:24 PM

Oops I was wrong. Elysium would NOT need a "roof" to keep the atmosphere in Sorry TrafficTitan, you were right about the atmosphere.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...cket-of-water/

baddog 08-17-2013 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19763063)
It's ok. I know you're happy being fed pablum.

That was a Canadian thing. :2 cents:

MPGdevil 08-18-2013 04:22 AM

An unrealistic Sci-Fi movie.. how rude.

SilentKnight 08-18-2013 05:39 AM

It's good to know that even in the hi-tech distant future of floating space stations and med pods that instantly cure leukemia and re-construct someone's head that's been blown to smithereens in a matter of seconds...they still fight with swords.

Matt Damon's character has all that exo-skeleton hardware attached to his body and he recovers from the backalley procedure in what...a few hours? No rejection or infection...and he's fully mobile and able to fight with it right away.

And in the future a dude in a burlap sack costume standing on Earth can shoot down spaceships with a shoulder-mounted RPG?!

I can turn my brain off and enjoy almost any sci-fi flick for what it's worth...but Elysium was mind-numbingly stupid with a shallow and transparent plot.

dyna mo 08-18-2013 06:18 AM

so where are we on this? seems like this list of errors has been debunked in this thread eh, but the movie still sucks?


Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19762243)
So many.... [Warning : Spoilers]

- Elysium is a giant spinning space station in geostationary orbit which is 22,236 miles straight up, but it takes spaceships that take off from the ground only about 3 minutes to get there.

- This would also mean that those little transport ships would have to travel a little more than 7,400 miles per hour. Even if they could do it they would have to accelerate at over 82 miles per second per second (about 3.74 g's) until they got half-way there and then decelerate at -82 miles per second per second to land. While the rebels could handle it the passengers couldn't. Yes of course this is just a sci-fi movie but I guess I was expecting 2001 a space odyssey.

- Elysium has an atmosphere yet nothing to contain it. This shown not once but twice as space ships "crash land" onto its "surface". Without a seal for its "sky" the atmosphere would escape.

- Elysium is always show "flat" or just about parallel to the earth. As the residents live on the inside-edge of a spinning wheel, sunlight would be coming in front the far edge of the wheel but instead it is always "overhead". The sun also never appears to change directions despite the spin of the wheel.

- Though not in the movie it is established that the residents of Elysium have "Med Pods" to cure all disease in every home (Because of increased exposure to radiation from space maybe?). If they are cheap enough to have in homes why aren't they on earth? They are cheap enough to make after all and even if they weren't it would still be much cheaper to pay to use it on earth than to fly to space to use it.

- "Re-Boot Elysium?" "To make all earthlings civilians"? "So everyone can be cured?" And the "code" is in someone's brain? That can be copied? That kills the host after it is copied? And that eventually just looks like random characters? Oh and they dress-up like Robots too. STUPID!

Elysium is a nice-looking movie for sure but check your brain at the door if you want to enjoy it.


adultmobile 08-18-2013 06:19 AM

http://www.thecitywire.com/userfiles/image/asperger.jpg

bronco67 08-18-2013 08:07 AM

Either we've all been subjected to one the most epic trollings ever, or Mark Prince is one of those guys that everyone wants to punch at the party.

bronco67 08-18-2013 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19763221)
so where are we on this? seems like this list of errors has been debunked in this thread eh, but the movie still sucks?

Whether or not technical details are correct in a movie is number 500 in a list of what makes a movie good.

Sly 08-18-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19763275)
Whether or not technical details are correct in a movie is number 500 in a list of what makes a movie good.

300 was my favorite movie until I counted the men in his squad. It was only 297! Blasphemy!

2MuchMark 08-18-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19763270)
Either we've all been subjected to one the most epic trollings ever, or Mark Prince is one of those guys that everyone wants to punch at the party.

Oh come on now...

The whole point of the thread was to express my general dissatisfaction with the movie and how many movies (not just sci-fi) treat the audience like they are idiots.

Think about it : How many movies have you seen where the "Computer Nerd" is brought in and types "OVERRIDE SECURITY SYSTEM" to take it down? Or how many dial-tones have you heard on Cell Phones? Or just general nonsense on a computer screen? Some of today's movie makers seem to forget that the world is just a little more tech savvy than we were in the 50's.

Trolling? Sure, but at least some of the people in this thread got what I was trying to talk about.

peace.

dyna mo 08-18-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19763275)
Whether or not technical details are correct in a movie is number 500 in a list of what makes a movie good.

thanks??

SilentKnight 08-18-2013 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19763276)
300 was my favorite movie until I counted the men in his squad. It was only 297! Blasphemy!

They short-changed us a few Spartans?!!

Bastards!!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The Porn Nerd 08-18-2013 01:35 PM

I just wish movies weren't so fucking LONG these days!

pornmasta 08-18-2013 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19763046)

Where is the porn version ?

pornmasta 08-18-2013 02:01 PM

(never mind)

Si 08-20-2013 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19762929)
Nah... don't get me wrong I love sci-fi movies... maybe I'm just tired of the "action" flicks and want something that stimulates my noggin. I have been hoping that Europa Report would come to threaters near here but haven't see it yet.

One movie I am REALLY looking forward to is 2014's INTERSTELLAR. Written by Chris Nolan (Inception) and KIP THORNE (GASP!). Finally, some brain candy.

I watched Europa Report, it wasn't bad. I wouldn't worry yourself if you never watch it. It's a bit slow, and not that "stimulating" to be honest.

It was kind of like the first 30 minutes of a regular movie stretched out.

Jman 08-20-2013 11:58 AM

To me it looks like a "Smoke a Bowl" type of movie and I'll surely watch it ;)

2MuchMark 08-20-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19766107)
I watched Europa Report, it wasn't bad. I wouldn't worry yourself if you never watch it. It's a bit slow, and not that "stimulating" to be honest.

It was kind of like the first 30 minutes of a regular movie stretched out.


Cool thanks for letting me know.


Some of the smartest sci-fi movies I've seen are:

- 2001
- 2010
- Brainscan
- Primer
- Forbidden Planet

I have high hopes for the upcoming "Gravity" too.

J. Falcon 08-20-2013 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19763002)
I've read about kids like you; I just figured it was an urban legend.

http://americanhumanist.org/system/s...ng_Theory.jpeg

PR_Glen 08-20-2013 12:52 PM

yeah and the technology in lord of the rings was SO unbelievable.. elves that live 1500-3000 years SUUURE tolkein... how am i supposed to enjoy your shit with that stuff in it?

amaright?


chewbacca was real

Si 08-20-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19766138)
Cool thanks for letting me know.


Some of the smartest sci-fi movies I've seen are:

- 2001
- 2010
- Brainscan
- Primer
- Forbidden Planet

I have high hopes for the upcoming "Gravity" too.

No worries! :thumbsup

I'd give it a 6/10 at a push. It was like Apollo 18, but more "realistic", and not the kind of movie you could watch more than once.

A sequel could work and be made better, it was "Europa 1" so maybe they're planning on another movie (with the Europa 2 mission perhaps). It just felt like it was lacking something.

I'll have to check Gravity out!

bigluv 08-20-2013 04:01 PM

I feel your pain **********.

The "suspension of disbelief" guys miss the point - a good story is where you agree on the rules beforehand, allowing certain things to exist or happen, but then the rest of the story needs to hang together and make sense in context.

It's the same thing when movies or (more often) tv shows with lazy writing force their characters to do or say certain things to backstop certain other plot milestones they want to get to. But the character in character would never in a million years do or say such a thing.

My sense is, this is happening more and more, but maybe I'm just getting old.


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