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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19760242)

Probably read that in the media ...

You probably read that in the media. :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19760268)

You probably read that in the media. :2 cents:

That wasn't an insult -- most of the Media coverage of what happened the last few days is simpleton drama.

It's for the most part little better than "newsspeak"

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19760242)

The USA, Canadian and European governments are totally hypocritical and playing to the masses with their condemnations of the current military installed interim government in Egypt. If armed demonstrators shot and/or killed 43 policemen in their countries they would act very similarly -- meet deadly force with deadly force.

The problem with that statement is that over here in Canada and the USA at least we don't generally see a lot of military regimes taking over the goverment and imposing arbitrary laws and penalties on the people like they do in Egypt. But if we did I'm sure that in time we'd have a lot of people out in the streets fighting back as well, either side-by-side with cops as allies or against them. But it just doesn't happen here. Perhaps in the past, but not lately.

Thus the accusation of hypocrisy is ridiculous. Typical rhetoric from that part of the world of course, but uttery ridiculous. To think you can cause or have that kind of crap going on in your country and NOT be criticised by the rest of the more civilised world is beyond mindless.

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19760288)

That wasn't an insult -- most of the Media coverage of what happened the last few days is simpleton drama.

It's for the most part little better than "newsspeak"

Sorry, I am insulted at the suggestion that I rely on western media or have just become aware over the last several days. I have been watching intently for over a year . . . without one minute wasted on any western media sources.

The Arab Spring has shown me one thing; those people need dictatorships. They are not ready for democracy.

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19760313)

The Arab Spring has shown me one thing; those people need dictatorships. They are not ready for democracy.

Sad that you did not see that before ... now the harm is done :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 19760414)

Sad that you did not see that before ... now the harm is done :2 cents:

I have only recently noticed how idiotic you can be; I guess that harm is done too.

those mellow Muslims at it again? no way

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19760422)

I have only recently noticed how idiotic you can be; I guess that harm is done too.

agreeing with you on a topic has that effect ....

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 19760291)

If the OWS demonstrators had armed themselves and killed 43 New York police -- just what do you think would have happened?

If when Zimmerman was found innocent, if there were hypothetical demonstrations with armed "black radicals" that killed 43 police officers -- just what do you think would have happened?

If the Neo-Nazis decided to have a big demonstration in a European city and were ordered to disperse then decided to stand and fight then killed 43 riot police -- just what do you think would happen?

They would all hold hands and sing Kum by ya?
Of course not, civil order would be restored like what happened during the Watts, Detroit, Newark and other race riots of the 60's and 70's -- 1,000 to 3,000 people died in American cities in the race riots of that era.

If all the Pakis in Toronto started demonstrating and were armed with knives and hockey sticks then attacked and killed 43 police or military dispersing an unlawful assembly that was warned to disperse peaceably -- what do you think would happen?

I can't expect world powers to acclaim the response in Cairo and the resulting carnage. The Russian and Chinese Foreign ministers haven't done so so far. Why, because they understand the nature of the problem having experienced similar situations. There are not 100,000 dead like in Syria and hopefully Egypt will not take that path.

There is more than one reality in the world.

Obama and John Kerry are either acting out a plan or are just behaving like childish politicians -- now the UN Security Council is convening sessions and will be entertaining resolutions.

Next thing you know there will be calls for the sending of peace keeping troops. The is no real likelihood of any reconciliation in Egypt and prolonging civil strife there seems pointless ...

In case you have any illusions of this situation's peaceful resolution ...

#OpEgypt

Muslim Brotherhood -- seems to define an oxymoron to me ...

You come across as a pretty informed guy; why do you accept as fact that 43 cops were killed?

Every account I have read in every media source quotes the same number but I wasn't there to actually count the bodies.

No one seems to be contesting the security forces count and there was funeral yesterday

http://www.enca.com/africa/egypt-pol...-repel-attacks

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...97F0G920130816
Interior Minister Mohamed Ibrahim has said 43 policemen were killed, a toll the Brotherhood dismissed as part of propaganda to demonize the group and justify an even tougher crackdown.

The burnt-out remains of police vehicles still lay abandoned on roads near where the main pro-Mursi sit-in was dispersed.

According to Reuters photos/eyewitnesses 4 policemen for sure and counting.

https://d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.ne...13/08/main.jpg
A police vehicle is pushed off of the 6th of October bridge by protesters close to the largest sit-in by supporters of ousted Islamist President Mohammed Morsi in the eastern Nasr City district of Cairo, Egypt, Wednesday, Aug. 14, 2013. Egyptian police in riot gear swept in with armored vehicles and bulldozers Wednesday to clear the sit-in camps set up by supporters of the country's ousted Islamist president in Cairo, showering protesters with tear gas as the sound of gunfire rang out. (AP Photo/Aly Hazzaa, El Shorouk Newspaper)

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A member of the security forces is dragged and stripped of his vest by protesters after his police vehicle was pushed off the 6th of October bridge by protesters. (AP Photo/Sabry Khaled)

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/liv...MLEgypt~p3.jpg

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Egyptian police officers participate in a funeral where coffins are seen covered with national flags for policemen who were killed during Wednesday's clashes in Cairo, Egypt, Thursday, Aug. 15, 2013. Egyptian authorities on Thursday significantly raised the death toll from clashes the previous day between police and supporters of the ousted Islamist presiden ... http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_23867533

None of this proves 43 police dead but then there is no proof now of the pro-Morsi / Muslim Broterhood's death counts either.

Like most violent political events there never is a full accounting of all the dead.

I am not trying to justify all that has happened the past few days in Egypt just to point out that if you try to attack riot police and soldiers in all likelihood if you are not shot you will be beaten badly.

And I have a horse in this race -- Maya wont be able to join me in Athens next month because she needs to renew her passport and get a visa to Greece -- so I am pissed off about this whole thing on a personal level.

I am getting a lot of background info from her point of view, feet on the ground so to speak, as she feels a deceived person by the whole revolution and counter revolution that has occurred in the past 2 years in Egypt. She lives in Alexandria, Egypt on the Mediterranean coast -- Egypt's second largest city.

Her Internet went off when they declared the state of emergency there yesterday at the time I was trying to ask her what she was hearing locally on the police death toll and if it was a true number.

News from Alexandria, Egypt -- Maya's internet is working:

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EST -4gmt
(12:08:42 PM) maya: hi
(12:08:46 PM) me: hi didn't see
(12:08:55 PM) me: u still there
(12:09:21 PM) maya: yes
(12:09:23 PM) maya: how ru
(12:09:36 PM) me: im OK and you?
(12:09:50 PM) me: quieter today?
(12:10:25 PM) maya: no more trouble
(12:10:27 PM) maya: very bad
(12:10:33 PM) maya: we r stuck at home
(12:10:58 PM) me: there are riots in alexandria ?
(12:11:11 PM) maya: yes
(12:11:23 PM) maya: and they tried to attack police offices
(12:11:27 PM) me: stay inside where it is safe
(12:11:31 PM) maya: but i didnt watch the news today
(12:11:35 PM) maya: very depressing
(12:11:49 PM) me: are there really 43 police dead?
(12:12:08 PM) maya: yes
(12:12:08 PM) me: that is what they are saying in the media
(12:12:24 PM) me: and the pro morsi deaths?
(12:12:50 PM) me: they say 628 official MB claims 3000
(12:15:00 PM) maya: there r dead but not that much
(12:15:37 PM) me: ok stay inside and away from the trouble
(12:16:37 PM) maya: i am
(12:17:15 PM) maya: but i was waiting for ramadan to end
(12:17:26 PM) maya: then we had the feast and holidays
(12:17:31 PM) me: do you have food in the house
(12:17:36 PM) maya: after the feast troubles started
(12:17:40 PM) me: ate it all?
(12:17:42 PM) maya: i cant do anything now
(12:17:47 PM) maya: yes my area is safe
(12:18:05 PM) maya: we have grocery shops and fruit and vegtable shops in my area
(12:18:12 PM) me: shoppes are open to buy food?
(12:18:38 PM) me: go early in the AM safer
(12:20:19 PM) maya: yes
(12:20:21 PM) me: the UN is meeting in Egypt's crisis now but I don't think anything will happen -- talk talk drama
(12:20:44 PM) me: a show for the world to watch
(12:21:56 PM) maya: yes

There is your answer ...