I had to read it a few times to figure out what you were doing but this is actually a pretty good trick for the ones lacking good moderation or social ratings.

99.9% of the time a surfer will click on a link before manually putting in a url.

A lot of memories in this thread, haha. I also did lots of TGP and link list reviewing back in the day. The trick was to get on the content sellers early release list, but then everyone got on that so it was still a rat race to submit first. Even so, you would wind up listing several galleries and free sites using the same content daily.

Those content licenses would usually allow only a few images to be used in banners or logos too. I don't recall the watermarking limitations if there were any.

I think Nicky made a great offer in the thread though; offering to let affiliates watermark and redirect. I would take advantage of it if I were using content to promote. It almost makes me want to do it just for the hell of it. If you have places to submit or distribute watermarked content, and a license to do so, then do it! Use content that represents a paysite REALLY well and send them directly there. If they typed it in, they are interested. Hard to get a better qualified "click" than that.

no no, he is actually successful with conversions CURRENTLY. I'm pretty sure he didn't get there from excessive complaining and blaming others though.

so shots at his intelligence? come on..

*scratches head*

Maybe for some affiliates, but there is a ton of money out there still. Was it easier to get before? You bet it was. But is it still there? Most of it is, you just have to find new and improved ways of getting it.

Was waiting for this LOL I live off of watermarks for years, since I do 99% tube marketing, a lot more than 1% typein lol, and 99% of sponsors that know you will have no problem with you rebranding if you know how to do it and bring them sales. It's no conspiracy lol if they didnt watermark they would be idiots almost all serious buyers typein.

Where did everyone who was in the industry before go then, DWB? Where are they? This forum used to be three or four times as active five years ago. Did they all make so much money that they decided to retire? Of course not. They left and went after money elsewhere. I know I've found quite a few old posters on black hat and mainstream forums.

There is still money, sure. There always will be something. I still have a few paysites which convert decent. But it's like the difference between mining 20,000 feet in the ground to find a few old pennies versus mining 100 feet down to find ounces of gold.

It's not just affiliates leaving either.

That's what is surprising. The watermark wasn't an exact match for the content and still saw about 1% type ins. On top of that it was a two word domain. To get 1% typeins from it was shocking.

"almost all serious buyers typein"

That's EXACTLY what I am saying. In the same way that you say they would be idiots to not watermark with their urls likewise affiliates are idiots not to try to benefit from it ourselves. It's giving away money to the sponsor. I get that this will make some sponsors hem and haw about why the affiliate should be grateful and not care about it for this reason or that reason but the bottom line is that the affiliate is losing money by not trying to take advantage of it.

If GFY is your measuring stick, I'm pretty sure it's the proliferation of new useless posters that have completely taken over the forum with nonsense that drove away the oldschool guys that actually know how to make money.

Could be but then I see a lot of paysites closing too and some of them used to be heavy into the Content Partner game with the tubes. But hey if you and DWB get the chance maybe you can help Nicole out with explaining why she lost 2/3rds of her CCBill customers over the last two years: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1117900 I bet she would appreciate the help. :)

I'm starting (well I always made some money from the legal kind since 2009) to make good money from tubes. Just not by selling paysites and not all adult. I would take paysites converting again any day though. There was more money in it and more possibilities.

Speaking the truth isn't crying. It's just speaking the truth. Statistically speaking you'll probably be gone in two years.

Gfy isn't the only forum that has slowed down over the years. Nearly every forum I frequent has gotten much less active. It's called Facebook.

If you want to believe that the industry and especially paysites are going strong then that is fine with me. Unlike some it isn't important to me that you believe the same thing I do. I think you are wrong but I'm not going to follow you around the board, stalk you like some ass, post cute little insulting pictures, call you names, engage in ridiculous debates about it and otherwise act like some 10 year old. It's your right to believe differently.

Where did they go?

1) I don't care.

2) They quit, moved on, or were defeated.

People who find it too hard or can't grasp the new landscape leave. It's that simple. Sure, a lot of people are making less, but they are still making a lot of money. Most car companies are making less money too, as are many other industries and companies. The world changed, markets changed, economies changed and shifted, as did technology. It happens. But the money is still out there, it's just moving in different places now.

Money was EASY to make before. Too easy. Now it's not. Now that people actually have to think about what they are doing and work for it, most people can't hack it or figure out what is going on. However, tubes have without a doubt pushed most affiliates out, so on that front I feel ya, but tubes are not the end of business even if they cheapened some, but they are now the affiliates with insane amounts of traffic. Funny how that all worked out, but it is what it is.

Change is painful for those who are unable or unwilling to change. The same will happen in mainstream or wherever everyone goes. Change is unavoidable. So Bruce Lee said... be water.

I don't understand why you expect everyone to be equal in business. No idea what happened to Nicole, and no offense to her, but I'm not going to worry about what happened to Nicole. Sites closing due to whatever reason are also not my concern any more than it was my concern when Blockbuster and Fashion Bug closed. The reasons behind business failures are too many to list. Businesses close all around the world, and for a myriad of reasons.

And just because you put content on tubes doesn't mean you're going to make sales. Shit in = shit out. Toss up a bunch of random crap and you'll get crap in return. Craft it, spend time seeing what works and what doesn't, and you see results. Don't know how to convert what you get, you lose. Business is business. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it (like they used to do). But people are quitting because it's not easy anymore and they can't figure out what has changed around them. The easy money days are over. Now the herd is thinning. Some say it is a welcome thinning and the entry bar was set too low. Whatever the case, things are different now and it's never going back to the way it was before no matter how much we all want it to.

This realization is hard to take for someone in his forties but it's something I've struggled with for almost 20 years now. LOL Think about how different the world was only ten years ago......so accepting this, especially as we age, is imperative to living a fulfilling life and not blaming others for the change all around us.

Amen broham

This still works?? Hit me up. I can help you with this :-) gay will sell bro

The updates page does show that she still adds new content, but other than that the site looks like it was designed 10 years ago. Today's surfer won't have any interest if they stumble on that site... Which they probably won't, as I can't find any evidence of her site being linked from just about anywhere on the internet. Given the lack of inlinks and no Alexa, I wouldn't be surprised if her "2/3 of ccbill members" was a drop from 30 to 10... which isn't enough volume to draw any conclusions at all.

This is just online marketing and monetization of traffic. If the user doesn't want to buy the product, he isn't going to.

Weren't we talking about content producers watermarking their products? How did I get sucked into this stupid thread :1orglaugh

For what it's worth I'm launching a network of new paysites next month. Shot 50 scenes so far and am shooting 100 more over the next 2 months. Don't plan on having any affiliates because I don't really need them. I'll let you know how it goes.

What niche(s)? :)

Profitable ones that convert :)

I have worked with programs to watermark their content with my own url's and it works wonders. It is amazing how many surfers type them in. Then I thought about it. When I was a surfer I typed in the url to the site I bought from 99% of the time. So yeah, the 1% if the time I actually paid for something I did so via a type in.

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Forties are just about to end for me MPB, Change is constant and the business changes every day, all we can do is evaluate, adapt and move forward.

I am frequently harsh, crude, pretty much a right prick on the boards, especially when people blame everything they cannot adapt to for the failure of their business.

I am making more money than I ever have in this business, paysites work for ME, middlemen help me make money, and I am happy to pay them a % because I realize the service they provide.

Affiliates are my partners, I can only make money if they do, if they do not make money they send their traffic somewhere else.

If someone is not making money it is not "The Business that is failing" It is the business model of the person that is failing

You should go tell her this then instead of telling me. I just thought I'd link you two up since she was asking why she lost 2/3 of her CCBill customers over the last two years and you seemed very optimistic about paysites.

The way you got "sucked" into this stupid thread was because you couldn't resist jumping into it to personally insult me (you contributed nothing else other than that in your first message). Here's your first post in the thread again.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19752607&postcount=74

That is one of the the problems with the affiliate model I think. There is no sure way to track things adequately enough to ensure that the affiliate gets credit for the lead. Cookies used to help with this but they are of decreased effectiveness more so every year.

I've always been the same way. I hardly ever did an impulse buy but rather made a calculated decision and usually typed in the url after already visiting the site before many times previously. I don't think your average surfer does an impulse buy to a new site anymore. At the very least they research the site a little to make sure it is legitimate first. There are too many scam sites out there not to do that. Especially in adult.

Oh they do them. I know this because they buy through my pop-up campaigns which I track extensively. But they do type ins way more often. I know this because I created my own url's and tracked those with only water marks as a source of promotion. No link to the site. No seo traffic. All direct. Make up your own tours and url and brand. You will see that type ins are golden. The surfer instantly gives you more trust.

:1orglaugh thanks for the reminder. I'm still well aware of how I feel about your usual GFY posting.

This has been my philosophy for over 5 years now (how long I've been in this crazy biz). I started VERY late, in terms of age and Internet time (having missed the 'Golden Era' of the early 2000's). I knew from Day One I would never be able to generate either the sales volume or traffic volume of ten years ago, the competition is now too fierce. But so what? I had ZERO when I started so fucking $20 was a profit to me!

Now I continue to adapt and change, and yes it's scary but is it as scary as someone who's worked for a company for 14 years, goes into work one day as usual and gets fired on the spot, no compensation, no nothing just get OUT? At least I am steering my own ship so can only blame myself if I don't navigate the iceberg-filled waters. LOL

(I wish I could afford $400 a day and that rebills lasted longer than 2 months because I'd hit you up for Joins. LOL Great to hear your paysites etc are doing well!!)

The best kind :thumbsup

If you don't want to engage in debate then why are you posting your opinions on a public forum? Tell them to your mom or someone else who can provide you some sympathy. There now I have slightly insulted you.

It's not that I don't want to engage in a debate on occasion. It's more that some people here act as if they are in a cult. If anyone believes differently than them about the outlook of the industry then they go crazy, follow the person around in multiple threads and act like children. I have no use for that. It's stupid and IMO it only shows their own insecurity.

If I don't believe as you do, what's it to you? Why does it matter to you? It only does if you feel you have something to prove. To yourself maybe or others. Insecurity. Agree to disagree and move on.

I think the thread is pretty clear though when it comes down to it: watermark your freaking content. If you don't own the domain that the paysite is hosted on, then redirect there. Represent the content they're going to buy well with your samples and don't even present any other links out or you're just screwing yourself. The person typing it in is not shopping around, they've already found what they want.

I am in the Making Money Cult. Guilty as charged.

is 100,000 scenes enough? Just get whatever matches your niche.
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