but how can you expect someone to pay a premium for your traffic with ratios like this?

Roald hit the nail on the head here. :2 cents:

He certainly did - however that is the value of most of the traffic out there now.

Most traffic out there is overvalued. However as other pointed out people are not always buying it for it's conversion possibilities.

For pop unders you mean right?

I'd ban popunders ... they are not worth even $0.5 per 1k ... Would you like it that when you check your favorite site, another window pops out of the sudden and it has sound and so on?

I find hard to believe that any normal surfer likes a popunder...

Yes, but between the popunder and paying $10 a month for access they will choose the popunder unless the popunder installs malware.

Popunders can be effective too but I think what hurts the most these days are all the popunder blockers which often get installed by default. It's a big difference a 90% success versus 30% success rate.

The scary thing is I bet those are your normal conversion rates and not just the rates on popunder traffic, right? Yes it really is that bad for most affiliates. A handful of programs still convert at an acceptable rate. The rest are garbage. 1:7000, 1:10000 and that kind of thing.

It's sad but most of us could make more by putting up ads for the Playstation 4 rather than to try to sell paysites. Crazy but what else can we expect when it's available for free with a couple clicks? I'm shocked that I still get any sales to be honest. I'm thinking these people would be prime targets for various scams too. I bet some of the more shady programs are using their email lists to market mainstream scams. These people would pay for anything if they would pay for porn in 2013! :disgust

Those are the the ratios he sees. It doesn't necessarily mean he is driving sales and revenue only at that rate. Shaving, shitty tracking, cookies disabled, surfers typing the url in instead..

Its not my traffic. Its the sponsors. Playboy was taking over my manwin and boom. I was doing 1k a month with sales just from them until manwin aquired playboy. MOST of my sponsors have been re sold over and over again. Has nothing to do with my traffic. I just showed you some of my bad sponsors. I have plenty of good ones.

Exactly. Its the popup blockers that are killing sales and value of popunders. For free sites, this is advertising income that they rely on. How other companies are allowed to make blockers and block my traffic which is MINE, should be illegal. They are robbing money from site owners.

anyone who has decent traffic and either doesn't utilise popunders, or sells them, is leaving money on the table.

popunders work, and surfers *will* buy paysites/cams from them.

Amen my friend. Nailed it. It seems people just have this assumption that all traffic these days is shit. Makes sense since allt he traffic that is being whored around places to buy traffic is feeder.

I have developed automated sites just for adding popups too and they make easy money simply from the popups. The usual banner ads make jack shit, it is the pops that make the money!

This is a terribly general statement. It's kinda like saying "land should be $20k per acre" without taking into consideration the location.

The value of popunder traffic is related to the source as well as the buyer. I have pops that value out everywhere between $0.10/k to $50/k. And I have affiliates that can make money on buying traffic and those that can't... promoting the same sites.

It's just not easy anymore like it was 10 years ago.

You mean, freeones, thehun, worldsex and other big clean sites are just leaving money on the table?

Roald ,quick, fill freeones with pop-unders! Your surfers will be happier and the return rate will be much higher!!

lol we get a few requests a month yes, but nah lets not. Hate them myself too ;)

yes, they are. And 'fill with popunders'? :1orglaugh

Please don't tell me you think surfers don't return to a site because they get a popunder once every 24 hours...

it was a joke, of course :) . By the way ,off topic, are the reviewers of freeones on holiday :P ?

Hey Jel, it was just a joke :) . Regarding pop-unders, it's my own personal opinion. I think that surfers are annoyed by them (otherwise there wouldn't be such a high demand for popunders block addons) and also I don't see how someone could buy something from a page that pop-ups unwanted when you try to click on something.

Personally I prefer more the side floating ads... I think they are less annoying.

BUT I'm not saying that popunders don't bring sales, I only think that it's takes a lot of clicks to make a sale...

It's cool :pimp

I hear ya on the personal opinion, and they are annoying, but not as annoying as you might think - it certainly doesn't stop tens of millions of surfers per day visiting the tubes, piratebay, and yeah it isn't targeted, but 1:4 - 6k is what I was getting when I had traffic - you'd be surprised, as would almost everyone who doesn't use them for either fear of 'upsetting' a surfer, or that they are useless.

When I started using them it made zero difference to my usual sales, and obviously brought in more money - I've yet to hear of someone introducing them, then deciding to remove them due to any detrimental effect.

Regarding the blockers - same thing with ad blockers, but nobody would remove ads in case the surfer found them 'annoying' :)

Funny enough, those floating ads I find annoying as hell lol, but I bet you wouldn't remove them because many surfers also do, and use ad blockers :)

consoles = extra revenue, and that's the bottom line :2 cents: If I piss off some guy because he has to take less than 2 seconds to close a popunder, and is irritated for 2 seconds (and maybe 0.000000001% of porn-seeking surfers who are now on your page looking at porn, and wanting to see more otherwise he wouldn't have clicked in the first place would actually close a site that popped 1 console), I'll still sleep pretty easy :thumbsup

When I used pop-unders I saw an increase in bounce rate. i've used them for about a month then dropped them. It was something like 1:10k with a cam site. With floating ad it' s more like 1:2-3k ... Of course I don't do the floating ad as big as the screen like some wm's do :)) . It's around 468x60 banner, I've seen that it works best for me. I guess it all depends on the traffic.
If I think about it, most big tubes have pop-unders and do pretty well with google, returning visits and so on...

Some are yes, kind of a back log atm ;)

:) It's good to know...the review time for my galleries is getting quite high and I thought something was wrong with my email :)))

Exactly. While clicked banners may be 1:20 or 1:50 at worst. This should explain the popunders cheap pricing. And why the sites try to sell that.

Our stance against Malware has forced malicious buyers out. This dramatically affects prices and other providers have done similar.

As a personal aside, I have always hated pops. We didn't offer them for a very very long time because I simply hate them and find them annoying. However, since then I believe that our Publishers have a choice.

You may earn more elsewhere, but we have one of the most strict anti-malware polices and procedures. We believe clean advertisers are more important than higher earnings.
:2 cents:

So the OP should find a malware-friendly ad network :)

:thumbsup

Makes sense and that was one of the things I listed in my first reply that I thought malware used to push up the rates. But is there any way to verify this -- that you have indeed reduced prices to buyers? For example plugrush has this page published which shows the general rates:

https://www.plugrush.com/advertisers/prices

Maybe they just haven't updated it but they still show they are selling US pops for $2.25/k.

I can confirm that malicious buyers indeed jack up rates on ad networks.

It cant be just malicious ad buyers that is causing this.

:rasta :firehair

We contact with our team daily a huge amount of websites to get the traffic, we offer, CPA, Revshare, CPM, CPC and even upfront deals but only 10% of the people reply to us. Seems that most of the webmasters are happy selling it to the networks...
Also the amount of siteowners that send the traffic directly to the program has dropped a lot. Most comes now from Mediabuyers and performance networks.

You can thanks big G for that :upsidedow