Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19767378)

Looks like I have to dump Serious-Cash as well for having their own channel on the Redtube.

Oh well.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19767883)

Well, if your point is I should not have tube sites as my affiliates I would say that realistically that's not going to happen AND if you can find me affiliates that could replace the numbers I do with tubes then I might consider it. As I've stated before, I try and treat affiliates as equals but when some take the stance that because my vids can be found on tubes they choose not to promote some PeabodyCash sites there's not much I can do to assuage them. Truth is, some of my sites will convert better than anything you're pushing now (I can say this for while I've not seen your specific numbers I've seen mine, from hundreds of affiliates, and conversion rates for some sites is circa 2003. Just sayin'). So, in the end, you ARE hurting yourself.

I see it this way:

1. if you could send me 10 sales a day but choose not to then you're out about $1,000 a week. Not a huge amount but 50k a year is some people's full-time salaries.
2. If all you could send me is 10 sales a month then you're (relatively) small time and therefore could really use the money.

So either way not promoting my shit is, um, less than optimal. :)

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker (Post 19767459)

Late sig spot reserved.

Originally Posted by Due (Post 19767515)

or maybe just block ad block users from your site. .. redirect them to cj sites so they get nothing.
It's not the surfers choice what they see on your site. . It's common knowledge to pau with time and annoying steps if you are not paying.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19744379)

Personally I hope Manwin DOES buy ALL of the LARGEST tubes out there, so when they go down (and they WILL go down) they take the biggest down with them.

Monopolize and consolidate the bullshit, and then blow it up! Nothing would be nicer.

Originally Posted by Creatine (Post 19768227)

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19767883)

Well, if your point is I should not have tube sites as my affiliates I would say that realistically that's not going to happen AND if you can find me affiliates that could replace the numbers I do with tubes then I might consider it. As I've stated before, I try and treat affiliates as equals but when some take the stance that because my vids can be found on tubes they choose not to promote some PeabodyCash sites there's not much I can do to assuage them. Truth is, some of my sites will convert better than anything you're pushing now (I can say this for while I've not seen your specific numbers I've seen mine, from hundreds of affiliates, and conversion rates for some sites is circa 2003. Just sayin'). So, in the end, you ARE hurting yourself.

I see it this way:

1. if you could send me 10 sales a day but choose not to then you're out about $1,000 a week. Not a huge amount but 50k a year is some people's full-time salaries.
2. If all you could send me is 10 sales a month then you're (relatively) small time and therefore could really use the money.

So either way not promoting my shit is, um, less than optimal. :)

Originally Posted by Lichen (Post 19744386)

There are those people, and there are people who genuinely think that Manwin and their Tubes is a legit evolvement of online porn.

They don't understand that most of the porn traffic is getting cornered and then sold off to total scams while tubes make millions parasitizing on the industry. They bring no benifit to the industry, they don't innovate anything, they don't produce anything, they don't evolve anything. They just DESTROY legit businesses.

Originally Posted by pauliexray (Post 19768027)

you are obviously waaaaaaay out of touch with the current porn market.
You are going to have to dump ALL your sponsors if having a channel on a tube site is a problem for you.

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 19768967)

Magnetron who are you? I mean you seem to be very involved, yet you've just registered.... ?

Just wondering.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19768980)

I've been doing this as a hobby since 2001.

I only became involved on a board here and a board there back in 2009.

Originally Posted by pauliexray (Post 19768027)

you are obviously waaaaaaay out of touch with the current porn market.
You are going to have to dump ALL your sponsors if having a channel on a tube site is a problem for you.

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 19768985)

Okay :) thanks for answering.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19769695)

Speaking of less than optimal promotions .....

Getting exposure on mega Tube sites like the ones owned by Manhole is counterproductive for certain sponsors who have content that is attractive to both male and female consumers. These sites are dominating the top 10 of SEs. Curious women are exploring them only to discover that these cater strictly to men. It is blatantly apparent that these are owned and operated by men who have absolutely no respect for women. The ads targeting males are highly offensive.

You might as well have a giant banner across the top saying, All you ugly women are welcome to buy porn from us that features women who are nowhere near as ugly as you are. Just be glad that we consider you worthy enough of a hookup with some of our desperate male audience members who are tired of jerking themselves off.

Seriously?

What percentage of women do you think are going to ignore these ads long enough to watch a video clip or two and then click their way into your sites? LOL. What percentage of these women are going to associate your site with this Tube site clearly owned by a misogynistic troglodyte [cough]Fabian[/cough] and steer clear of both in the future?

* shakes head *

Just another example of making X now instead of making X + Y down the road.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19769695)

Speaking of less than optimal promotions .....

Getting exposure on mega Tube sites like the ones owned by Manhole is counterproductive for certain sponsors who have content that is attractive to both male and female consumers. These sites are dominating the top 10 of SEs. Curious women are exploring them only to discover that these cater strictly to men. It is blatantly apparent that these are owned and operated by men who have absolutely no respect for women. The ads targeting males are highly offensive.

You might as well have a giant banner across the top saying, All you ugly women are welcome to buy porn from us that features women who are nowhere near as ugly as you are. Just be glad that we consider you worthy enough of a hookup with some of our desperate male audience members who are tired of jerking themselves off.

Seriously?

What percentage of women do you think are going to ignore these ads long enough to watch a video clip or two and then click their way into your sites? LOL. What percentage of these women are going to associate your site with this Tube site clearly owned by a misogynistic troglodyte [cough]Fabian[/cough] and steer clear of both in the future?

* shakes head *

Just another example of making X now instead of making X + Y down the road.

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 19769978)

I can only assume your are the nick Jack Sparrow who evaporated from gfy a couple years ago. Yes/no?

Originally Posted by dirtysouth (Post 19769966)

It takes everything my wife has not to click through those ads. She's a youporn girl. You may have been doing this as a "hobby" since 2001 but me thinks jerking off to preview vids doesn't count.

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 19769978)

I can only assume your are the nick Jack Sparrow who evaporated from gfy a couple years ago. Yes/no?

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19768955)

Let's try clarify things this time around so you get what my point really is so you don't have to justify what your point is.

You are involved with *user* uploaded tubes. I don't wish to be involved with anyone involved with them. Whatever motivation I had to push your sites is gone now that we have established your involvement. And for the record, I run a small potatoes operation. So, you probably won't even notice my non-involvement with you. Kapeesh so far? Good.

Just because I am small potatoes compared to others around here, this doesn't mean I could really use the money. I like money and I like making money, but first and foremost, this is a hobby for me. Therefore, I have the luxury of dropping sponsors that do things I do not wholeheartedly or even remotely agree with. Many others simply don't have that luxury because this has evolved into a 9 to 5 job for them, some of whom are convinced that pushing every available sponsor on as many domains as possible is in their best interest.

And when some Numbnut says that dropping a particular sponsor is my ( financial ) loss, the irony around here becomes thick enough to cut with a knife. Someone suggests that Everyone including Fabio and Manwing could be making greater financial gains if Fabio and Manwing did Y instead of X and people around here start behaving like howler monkeys with PMS.

I sincerely mean it when I say, Good luck with your 5 year plan, Peabody. And don't fret about my well being. I'm not hurting myself in the least.

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19745157)

Pretty much all evil in this industry traces back to the Tribe of Levi, if you believe the Bible they were God's special pets from which the priestly class came.

Manwin and this tribesman in league together are making tens of millions of dollars, probably over 100 mil by now.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19770613)

While I know this will be hard for you to swallow - oops, wrong choice of words, sorry - but I really don't give a fuck if you promote my shit or not, or WHAT the fuck you do (or don't do). In a way I'm glad you're independant enough to do this as a "hobby" (tho I suspect that's complete and utter bullshit, Mr. Registered in 2013....). I, too (in case you couldn't tell) am the Master of my own Destiny so rarely do what others do. This is why you were interested in promoting one of my sites in the first place, right?

Anyway, do what you want or don't do what you want, but making tube clips your excuse is fucking lame. Here's where people get traffic (in porn) on the Internet. Ready mr. Hobbyist? please take notes:

1. Search engines - a difficult game with Google updates etc. You rank well one day, next day you wake up and your shit is on page 50. FUN!

S2. Trades - either links or content. Either I give you a link to put on your site or I give you content to put on your site and voila! You send traffic back to me.

3. Advertising - let's spend THOUSANDS a month to get hit-or-miss-converting traffic that may not even pay back the ad bill. MORE FUN!!

4. Social media - tweet your ass off for.....well, for something, I don't know what.

5. Word of mouth - bookmarkers, people tell other people, Members post on forums saying your shit is great, etc. Hard to quantify.

Did I miss anything? I'm not dumping on you - as I said, promote or not, no prob - but you can see from the above list that #2 is the best option for a 'small potatoes' operation like mine. As I have stated over and over (and over): show me WHERE (or HOW) I can get 20k hits to my paysites WITHOUT submitting tube clips and I will gladly do it.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19770769)

I'm sorry your feathers were ruffled by my honesty.

A sponsor is attempting to school me on how to get the most porn traffic possible in a topic on how the current method of getting the most porn traffic is due in part to fucking over sponsors.

Really?

Me and my fucking lame excuse not to support said sponsor.

Feel free to drag this out with even more redundant justification concerning your reliance on *user* Tubes ...... neccessitated of course by your own self imposed deadline of 5 years and nothing else.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19770925)

No feathers ruffled, I'm a New Yorker and we fucking talk that way yo! LOL And I always appreciate honesty so kudos for yours. But wait a second here!!!

You didn't answer the (fucking) question, instead choosing to call the above 'redundant justification' so i apologize but I must assume you require education oh how to gain traffic. You did not answer the question of how I'm going to get 20k hits daily to my website WITHOUT your nemesis tubes.

Know what happens when I ask a direct question (here I go again) and get obfuscation in return? I immediately assume the "answerer" HAS no answer, has been schooled/owned/served/whatever kids say these days and move along, content in the knowledge that I have won this round and am, in general, have a highly superior intellect DOH! LOL

(Of course, neither of us are making money through your efforts so, ultimately, we both "lose" but it is fun to "win" an online battle with someone who uses big words like 'redundant justification'. Thanks! You were a worthy opponent - for awhile.)

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19771391)

Dear Santa Claus,
Please give me a day with no any Manwin threads in GFYs first page

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19769073)

Guess which one has always sold better and guess which one last I hear made over $1 million in sales in one year in a relatively small niche?

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19771406)

Interesting... want to share what that relatively small niche is?

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19771078)

You can't if you don't put forth the effort into getting that much exposure in a single day from a collective of domains with legitimate operations owned by ethical people who do not fuck over other paysite operators who are in the exact same boat as you are.

Was that not blatantly obvious enough to warrant not pointing it out to you?

Maybe if you stretched your 5 year plan out into let's say a 10 year plan, you could settle for 10K uvees per day from some lesser non *user* uploaded Tube sites.

Again, blatantly obvious enough in my answer to you to warrant not pointing it out.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19771472)

Awww you're no fun. :(

Seriously tho: asking me to make HALF the money over 10 years instead of what i do now in 5 years of effort is, well, blatantly obvious (nutso). BTW: My five year plan is coming to end sooner than you think, and the new ten year plan will be in place.....cryptic, I know......but will the next five years count or would I have to start all over with this new ten year plan? That would be a fifteen year plan, altogether....okay I'm confused.

Promote my sites please people. LOL See? Back on topic!

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 19768967)

Magnetron who are you? I mean you seem to be very involved, yet you've just registered.... ?

Just wondering.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19744606)

The Hun is great and I do advertise with them (and post galleries) but even they don't send (me) 20k hits to my paysite.

Originally Posted by 8pt-buck (Post 19771727)

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19771681)

I'm beginning to understand why it is you can't get enough affiliates in the first place.