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seeandsee 08-03-2013 05:40 AM

gravure babes are so hot!

signupdamnit 08-03-2013 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19744194)

Brilliant!

PornDiscounts-V 08-03-2013 07:58 AM

Sign-up page no worky worky

candyflip 08-03-2013 11:13 AM

Dieter is busy with a nice fat cock in his ass.

ReggieDurango 08-03-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Diomed (Post 19744080)
Funny how Nathan is so quick to respond to any number of Mike's threads.. but never shows his face in threads like these.

Obviously, Nathan is a busy guy, but it would be very very interesting to see what he has to say about this thread. Nathan?

Nathan 08-03-2013 01:03 PM

Sure...

We have a licensing deal with a major japanese adult company, and we will be handling all their english speaking targeted websites. Erito.com is going to be the main site. TokyoDollars.com is the affiliate program.

Both are not launched, which is why they were taken fully off the public web when we noticed that they were publicly accessible.

The sites are in design and alpha testing phase, without any content being ready, so the designer used placeholder thumbnails and content. He should not have, especially on a site that is publicly open. I apologize for that, it was clearly not done on purpose, as people have said billing did not work or was even setup yet, it is simply design phase testing.

Otaku, sorry, it was not our intention to cause any issue. Our designer simply likes your content.

Nathan 08-03-2013 01:06 PM

I was informed on xbiz that some people are still getting the site, I doubt its a caching issue, maybe its not blocked on one of our servers by mistake, but I would appreciate getting to things from whoever still gets the site:

IP they get for www.erito.com
IP they have while checking

Thx.

Captain Kawaii 08-03-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 19744289)
damn guys, you asians are straight like the gay ones, no mercy! :thumbsup

Mercy is for beeyotches and pirates. Not for samurai! :thumbsup

I have forwarded the info on to my Japanese contacts as well.

Its too bad Manwin did not have the cash to buy the real domain name. Its only $28k.

Captain Kawaii 08-03-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19744697)
Sure...

We have a licensing deal with a major japanese adult company, and we will be handling all their english speaking targeted websites. Erito.com is going to be the main site. TokyoDollars.com is the affiliate program.

Both are not launched, which is why they were taken fully off the public web when we noticed that they were publicly accessible.

The sites are in design and alpha testing phase, without any content being ready, so the designer used placeholder thumbnails and content. He should not have, especially on a site that is publicly open. I apologize for that, it was clearly not done on purpose, as people have said billing did not work or was even setup yet, it is simply design phase testing.

Otaku, sorry, it was not our intention to cause any issue. Our designer simply likes your content.

If you have a real agreement, one the other party/ies know/s about, why not get images from them? Its a really easy task when you are working with Japanese on the level. :2 cents:

Nathan 08-03-2013 01:22 PM

Really? You think?

I get this is hard to believe, but I did not design the site, I do not sit next to all 200 designers we have, and I do not control every change on every website that goes up.

There is procedures for everything we do, but they get stumbled and broken now and then, and when they do, we correct it as soon as we are made aware, as happened here, on a weekend on top of it.

I apologized for the mistake. It was a DESIGN alpha and it was being design tested only, the content is placeholders and thats it.

Once the site launches, it will have the correct content on it. I am not sure what content was on it, I did not see the site myself, so I can not comment if some of it was our own/licensed or not.

RubyGoodnight 08-03-2013 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19744700)
I was informed on xbiz that some people are still getting the site, I doubt its a caching issue, maybe its not blocked on one of our servers by mistake, but I would appreciate getting to things from whoever still gets the site:

IP they get for www.erito.com
IP they have while checking

Thx.

Still up for me. IP address for the site is 208.99.90.244

I can't get into the signup, but http://www.erito.com/home/ is still 'live'.

Nathan 08-03-2013 01:41 PM

Thx, I told them to really block it, not just half assed.. Will see if that helps...

L-Pink 08-03-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19744697)
Sure...

We have a licensing deal with a major japanese adult company, and we will be handling all their english speaking targeted websites. Erito.com is going to be the main site. TokyoDollars.com is the affiliate program.

Both are not launched, which is why they were taken fully off the public web when we noticed that they were publicly accessible.

The sites are in design and alpha testing phase, without any content being ready, so the designer used placeholder thumbnails and content. He should not have, especially on a site that is publicly open. I apologize for that, it was clearly not done on purpose, as people have said billing did not work or was even setup yet, it is simply design phase testing.

Otaku, sorry, it was not our intention to cause any issue. Our designer simply likes your content.

Translated; our lying thieving asses got caught once again.


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L-Pink 08-03-2013 01:56 PM

If you were muslim your thieving torso wouldn't have an appendage left to hack off.

otaku 08-03-2013 01:59 PM

I can view the site again and it no longer goes to 403. Please ask your designer to remove my content from your web server, placeholder or otherwise, and not simply apply a block that may or may not work. Surely he can find something else amongst your own library to use as placeholders.

Nathan 08-03-2013 02:40 PM

Otaku, I agree, considering I doubt our designer knows what's your content, and it bring the weekend, blocking the whole site is safer which is what we are (or should be) doing.

2MuchMark 08-03-2013 02:42 PM

Interesting way of removing stolen content : Post it on GFY!

Nice stuff.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-03-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19744794)

Otaku, I agree, considering I doubt our designer knows what's your content, and it bring the weekend, blocking the whole site is safer which is what we are (or should be) doing.

Perhaps if Manwin as a corporation had a Code of Ethics...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/2940373140.jpg

But then again, look at the figurehead at the top (arrested and jailed for tax evasion, and still under investigation), so what kind of ethics do you think would flow down to workers below. :disgust :2 cents:

:stoned

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Captain Kawaii 08-03-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 19744309)
gravure babes are so hot!

How can you see them with all that cock in your mouth? :1orglaugh

Captain Kawaii 08-03-2013 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19744794)
Otaku, I agree, considering I doubt our designer knows what's your content, and it bring the weekend, blocking the whole site is safer which is what we are (or should be) doing.

It would make sense except its a real pain for designers to replace graphics with new graphics on things like banners and slide shows. It would not make sense to do the job unless you had the correct images. if your content is coming from someone who does not provide huge, un-watermarked images you are using stolen content or their content is illegal.

I know some producers in Japan, living in the US who supply a couple of websites in the US and NL with nothing but illegal or otherwise stolen content. Good luck with your project.

SplatterMaster 08-03-2013 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19744717)
There is procedures for everything we do

Perhaps you should add a procedure to supply your designers content instead of having them search for their own? I'm sure with the massive amount of content you have you could create a depository with enough different content to satisfy all designers needs.

Nathan 08-03-2013 10:13 PM

CK, we have a direct j/v deal with one of the biggest adult companies in Japan. But thx for the tip.

SM, we actually have that. But shocking enough, people break the rules. I know, hard to believe... I am definitely not happy with what happened here, but we fixed the problem as fast as we could...

Captain Kawaii 08-03-2013 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19745175)
CK, we have a direct j/v deal with one of the biggest adult companies in Japan. But thx for the tip.

SM, we actually have that. But shocking enough, people break the rules. I know, hard to believe... I am definitely not happy with what happened here, but we fixed the problem as fast as we could...

Lemme guess, DTI?

Nathan 08-03-2013 11:14 PM

CK, no. Dti has their own affiliate program, why would we partner with them?!

RycEric 08-03-2013 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19745066)
I know some producers in Japan, living in the US who supply a couple of websites in the US and NL with nothing but illegal or otherwise stolen content. Good luck with your project.

:1orglaugh There are a lot of those "producers" in Tokyo. Are any one of these people Allen Ma or Roger Kurobe by chance? The only thing they seem to produce are forged documents from what I have seen. We got out long ago.. didn't know who was who after awhile, it was so bad. Some pretty big players here stateside as well, same game too.:2 cents:

Captain Kawaii 08-04-2013 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19745206)
CK, no. Dti has their own affiliate program, why would we partner with them?!

I was looking at the text promoting camshows on your tour. Is that part true? I'll have to check the screenshots I guess. Something about tons of webcam shows. I mentioned DTI cause they are the only real player I know of in the webcam biz in jp. On a real level that is.

Seth Manson 08-04-2013 12:40 AM

All I ever hear is negative stuff about this manwich guy

Nathan 08-04-2013 12:41 AM

Just wait until it actually is released...

Captain Kawaii 08-04-2013 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RycEric (Post 19745209)
:1orglaugh There are a lot of those "producers" in Tokyo. Are any one of these people Allen Ma or Roger Kurobe by chance? The only thing they seem to produce are forged documents from what I have seen. We got out long ago.. didn't know who was who after awhile, it was so bad. Some pretty big players here stateside as well, same game too.:2 cents:

Naw, these are Japanese or Korean-Japanese and one American guy. They actually tell people here that a model showing her ID to a producer in Japan is against the Japanese constitution. But they have the 2257 covered. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I am out of trying to help people connect for content unless I shoot it. Its not worth dealing with scum or the hassles.

For the DVD stuff we work with Taiwan where the dvds are made. Those guys and the people they connect to in Japan and here, i.e. DTI are the only legit people I know of.

otaku 08-04-2013 12:44 AM

Japan: The Final Frontier

(ADG, insert cool graphic please)

Captain Kawaii 08-04-2013 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by otaku (Post 19745263)
Japan: The Final Frontier

(ADG, insert cool graphic please)

Hai, please please. I need a good chuckle.

Pineapplez 08-04-2013 02:34 AM

http://i.imgur.com/M6eQrn2.jpg

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-04-2013 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by otaku (Post 19745263)

Japan: The Final Frontier

(ADG, insert cool graphic please)

http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads...n-in-japan.jpg

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19745267)

Hai, please please. I need a good chuckle.

http://assets.japanisweird.com/hashe...com-f809da.jpg

I'm sure Fabian will blend right in... :upsidedow

http://www.la-pierre-et-le-sabre-iai...uza%201259.jpg

:stoned

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Phoenix 08-04-2013 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19744717)
Really? You think?

I get this is hard to believe, but I did not design the site, I do not sit next to all 200 designers we have, and I do not control every change on every website that goes up.

There is procedures for everything we do, but they get stumbled and broken now and then, and when they do, we correct it as soon as we are made aware, as happened here, on a weekend on top of it.

I apologized for the mistake. It was a DESIGN alpha and it was being design tested only, the content is placeholders and thats it.

Once the site launches, it will have the correct content on it. I am not sure what content was on it, I did not see the site myself, so I can not comment if some of it was our own/licensed or not.




let me get this straight...because...i have some experience with top adult companies.

you have 200 designers...yet you have no content of your own to let them work with?

is that your official statement?

waiting for your response where you say something to try and insult me...

Nathan 08-04-2013 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 19745353)
let me get this straight...because...i have some experience with top adult companies.

you have 200 designers...yet you have no content of your own to let them work with?

is that your official statement?

waiting for your response where you say something to try and insult me...

Hi,

no, I actually said we have content they should be using (I said that a couple of posts after the one you quoted). But sadly, people break the rules. And then shit like this happens.

Drives me insane, but it does happen. Sadly. When it does, I get upset, I post on GFY, I apologize and what else do you expect me to do?

otaku 08-04-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19745206)
CK, no. Dti has their own affiliate program, why would we partner with them?!

The partner must be DMM (Japan's 800 lb. AV gorilla). They don't have an English affiliate program, tried doing an English version site before giving up within about a year, and started sending out DMCA letters thru Degban about a year ago.

L-Pink 08-04-2013 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19745428)
Hi,

no, I actually said we have content they should be using (I said that a couple of posts after the one you quoted). But sadly, people break the rules. And then shit like this happens.

Drives me insane, but it does happen. Sadly. When it does, I get upset, I post on GFY, I apologize and what else do you expect me to do?

Sure ??..

Due 08-04-2013 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19745536)
Sure ??..

I'm not trying to defend manwin on this one but I do see it as something that could happen.

last week I saw one of my designers ripped a design from someone else, I had him fired on the spot which he was. he was sent home with his final paycheck less than an hour later.

I had another designer a few months ago saying that in school they where actually teaching him to surf the web and take what they like when they see it. that was a government credited California based design school.

Mutt 08-04-2013 08:24 AM

dunno how anybody can make money in JAV - the videos are everywhere for free, torrents and tubes, then there's the countless programs that have thousands of unlicensed JAV DVD's. worse situation than US porn companies have.

isn't DMM just a retailer? they don't produce content as far as I know of.

So if this new program is for the English market does that mean this company is turning over the original content without the mosaic blocking the genitals?

I've never understood that part of the JAV industry, it's illegal to show genitals in Japan but there's a huge market for JAV in the rest of the world - why don't they have deals with distributors in other countries to sell the uncensored versions? It wouldn't be them selling the uncensored versions so they wouldn't be breaking Japanese law.

otaku 08-04-2013 09:01 AM

DMM is a huge conglomerate that besides distribution includes many of the major studios that produce AV, basically all the stuff you mentioned that gets pirated. It's also rumored they are related to the big video rental chain Tsutaya, Japan's equivalent to Blockbusters except that they're not bankrupt.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokuto_Corporation

They won't sell uncensored versions of their titles because it would just be a matter of time before they ended up on the interwebs, and Japanese customers would wonder why should they buy a censored DVD when they can find the uncensored version online.

DMM and other Japanese producers have basically had their head in the sand regarding piracy of their content overseas, since they are only focused on the domestic market -- a kind of AV Galapagos syndrome. Language barrier doesn't help. If DMM or SOD (DMM's next biggest rival) were to partner with Manwin, maybe Manwin could educate them on the ills of rampant piracy overseas, so that they would take it more seriously.

Nathan 08-04-2013 12:46 PM

Re censorship the Japanese law does not say that uncensored porn is illegal in Japan, it says that content produced in Japan has to be censored, regardless where viewed!

MaDalton 08-04-2013 12:51 PM

i will be selling uncensored japanese content soon - just saying

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-04-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19745813)

Re censorship the Japanese law does not say that uncensored porn is illegal in Japan, it says that content produced in Japan has to be censored, regardless where viewed!

http://ep00.epimg.net/elpais/imagene...cia_normal.jpg

So the company that you are licensing products from is producing uncensored porn in Japan, which you acknowledge is illegal...no wonder you and Manwin constantly find yourself in trouble and on the wrong side of the law. :1orglaugh

:stoned

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Nathan 08-04-2013 01:04 PM

Uhm, no? It is censored Japanese porn, real jav. Who said our sites are all uncensored? Only content not shot originally in Japan will be uncensored.

L-Pink 08-04-2013 01:08 PM

......... Xxxx


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otaku 08-04-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19745813)
Re censorship the Japanese law does not say that uncensored porn is illegal in Japan, it says that content produced in Japan has to be censored, regardless where viewed!

I'm gonna have to correct you on this. Uncensored porn IS illegal in Japan, i.e. any content DISTRIBUTED in Japan has to be censored regardless where it is produced. You cannot sell uncensored Brazzers DVDs in Japan because they were produced in America or Canada. Otherwise Japanese producers would produce all their content in Guam and then sell them uncensored in Japan, which doesn't happen. American porn mags in Japan? They all get the black magic marker treatment. Conversely you can produce content in Japan that is uncensored for distribution overseas like DTI, Red Hot, Sky Angel, etc, as the censorship happens in post anyway.

Captain Kawaii 08-04-2013 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otaku (Post 19745532)
The partner must be DMM (Japan's 800 lb. AV gorilla). They don't have an English affiliate program, tried doing an English version site before giving up within about a year, and started sending out DMCA letters thru Degban about a year ago.

Thats what I thought, actually. In with DMM or ya Fabian? LOL. This will end well.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Captain Kawaii 08-04-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by otaku (Post 19745847)
I'm gonna have to correct you on this. Uncensored porn IS illegal in Japan, i.e. any content DISTRIBUTED in Japan has to be censored regardless where it is produced. You cannot sell uncensored Brazzers DVDs in Japan because they were produced in America or Canada. Otherwise Japanese producers would produce all their content in Guam and then sell them uncensored in Japan, which doesn't happen. American porn mags in Japan? They all get the black magic marker treatment. Conversely you can produce content in Japan that is uncensored for distribution overseas like DTI, Red Hot, Sky Angel, etc, as the censorship happens in post anyway.

QFT. Telling it like it is. But, Otaku, please do not correct his lordship anymore. Let him "step in it", himself.

Nathan 08-04-2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otaku (Post 19745847)
I'm gonna have to correct you on this. Uncensored porn IS illegal in Japan, i.e. any content DISTRIBUTED in Japan has to be censored regardless where it is produced. You cannot sell uncensored Brazzers DVDs in Japan because they were produced in America or Canada. Otherwise Japanese producers would produce all their content in Guam and then sell them uncensored in Japan, which doesn't happen. American porn mags in Japan? They all get the black magic marker treatment. Conversely you can produce content in Japan that is uncensored for distribution overseas like DTI, Red Hot, Sky Angel, etc, as the censorship happens in post anyway.

You are correct, as soon as published in Japan anything needs to be censored, but I have been told by multiple lawyers that Japanese companies can not distribute outside Japan uncensored either, it has to stay censored.

It would obviously be awesome if proven otherwise, so I will have to look into this again.

MaDalton 08-04-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19745893)
You are correct, as soon as published in Japan anything needs to be censored, but I have been told by multiple lawyers that Japanese companies can not distribute outside Japan uncensored either, it has to stay censored.

It would obviously be awesome if proven otherwise, so I will have to look into this again.

i am pretty sure he's correct - otherwise DTI for example would be operating illegally all these years


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