If you think Manwin is untouchable think of Mr. Dotcom (read this)

[nickey1952]

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/10/ff-kim-dotcom/

[ReggieDurango]

Do you still shoot for brazzers and Manwin? If not, why did you stop?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Ask Nathan (Fabian Thylmann) how untouchable he felt when government authorities served warrants at his offices and home, and the police threw him in jail on tax evasion charges?



Manwin is far from untouchable, and remains under investigation, and in the crosshairs of a number of people and organizations which are going to ensure that Fabian and the crooks at Manwin will always be looking over their shoulders wondering if today is the day that their house of cards falls and they go to jail.



ADG

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by nickey1952

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/10/ff-kim-dotcom/

awesome, at the top of the vid he blames the government for him stealing shit... 90% of GFY will cosign that

[Captain Kawaii]

Fabian admitted this past week to answering questions recently asked of him by the FBI. I think Fabe's new nick should be Custer.

[Nathan]

I'm sorry, I did what?

[Captain Kawaii]

On XBIZ you said you told them you run a "clean company." That is correct yes? You were in a discussion with Mike, your pal.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Fabian admitted this past week to answering questions recently asked of him by the FBI. I think Fabe's new nick should be Custer.

As in?:

Originally Posted by Nathan

I'm sorry, I did what?

Fabian's sorry. He did what?!?



You aren't suggesting that Fabian has been ratting people out to the FBI are you?



ADG

[Nathan]

CK, no. I did not say that. Someone else claimed I said that. The FBI did not ask me anything.

[ReggieDurango]

Originally Posted by Nathan

CK, no. I did not say that. Someone else claimed I said that. The FBI did not ask me anything.

Did you get the $ back from the US .gov that they seized from Mansef?

[Nathan]

Wtf does Mansef have to do with me?! They did not seize money from Manwin.

[ReggieDurango]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Wtf does Mansef have to do with me?! They did not seize money from Manwin.

DUDE! What the fuck? I'm just asking cause I'm curious! Why you being defensive? I KNOW and anyone with half a brain KNOWS that Mansef has nohting to do with you...
I'm honestly just curious how that situation resolved and you are here now posting and you are probably the only one in here that can even begin to talk intelligently about that situation.
Not that you will.
But don't get offended just because I asked

[Nathan]

Asking me something about a different company is unlikely to result in any answer considering you have to assume that most likely I have an NDA and can not talk about it.

What I can tell you is seizures by the us happen more often than you think and more often than not are unfounded. Also, the law used to seize the funds should give you a hint towards what happened. It was regarding a license for a money-transmitting business because they setup a company in the US to cut checks from to affiliates. There is no major conspiracy, no money laundering that happened, nothing else.

In a situation like this, companies often settle with the us government regardless of if their claims are true or not, because sitting around in court for 4 years to get the money back vs. settling for a percentage of the money is usually better business sense. Capital is expensive, law suits are too, so likely their costs to fight and win would have been higher than just settling. The US knows this very well and uses it to their advantage. And I guess nobody can blame them. It is simply business.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Wtf does Mansef have to do with me?! They did not seize money from Manwin.

I wouldn't say there is no connection between Mansef and Manwin. Although the name changed, many of the key players at Mansef remain involved in running Manwin.

When Nathan (Fabian Thylmann) was in jail back in December on Tax Evasion charges, Feras Antoon, grabbed the spotlight, and proclaimed himself in charge during Fabian's incarceration:

According to Feras Antoon, CEO of the Canadian Manwin branch, the sites will run without interference. He is in command of most of the Manwin Group?s 1000 employees. The investigation dealt only with Fabian Thylmann?s personal tax returns, that?s why he was arrested, said Antoon.

This is the same Feras Antoon that was President of Mansef when they had to forfeit millions of dollars in a money laundering investigation.

If that is not a connection, I don't know what is.



More recently, there have been reports that Antoon and others want Thylmann out, so a coup d'etat may not be far off (from MS's blog):

Feras Antoon Wants Fabian Thylmann Out At Manwin

The more I post about Manwin the more info that comes in about Manwin. It is no secret to anyone watching Manwin that they are re-structuring, but this re-structuring even has a name, internally it is being called the 100 day plan and the goal is to trim expenditures across the board. The result, lots of layoffs.

One interesting tidbit to come out of this is that Feras Antoon, CEO at Manwin in Canada and David Tassillo COO at Manwin in Canada are meeting with lots of outside investors. Word on the street has it that Antoon and Tassillo see Fabian Thylmann as a liability and want him out. The meetings with investors are primarily to buy up Fabians stock and shove him out the door. I?m told the offer would be one ?Fabian couldn?t refuse.?

The recent merger with Redtube may provide them with that cash. Redtube is very profitable and the Manwin merger involved no cash, just a transfer of Manwin stock. I can see a scenario where Antoon and Tassillo could replace Fabian with a front man from Redtube while using Redtubes cash to rid themselves of Fabian Thylmann. This whole scenario makes sense and flows perfectly with the new strategy of placing tubesites and advertising as top priority within all aspects of the company.

The merger hasn?t yet been approved by the government but there are no signs that it wont be, yet anyway.

Another thing that has come to my attention is how Manwin obscures the power structure, one such example is Manwin moving Scott Justice to Playboy, everyone at Digital Playground says he still has fingers deep in DP there even though George Krassakopoulos is supposedly in charge there, George is listed at Manwin as the Hiring manager. When you need something done at Digital Playground and you try to contact George he may disappear for weeks leaving whatever problems you have hanging. This may also be a way of pushing Justice out the door, Manwin, I am told got wise to his payoffs and the Playboy Broadcasting deal is on shakier ground every day.

This way of obscuring the real power structure is straight out of the 1980′s Chinese political system. One thing that is becoming increasingly apparent is that Feras Antoon is one of the big shot callers if not the big one, unlike Thylmann, Antoon keeps a very low profile.

ADG

[Nathan]

ADG, just some info you will not accept/understand/believe:

1) if a company is sold, employees are transferred usually since they are an important asset, why would I not keep the people that ran the assets well before?!
2) the owners of Mansef are not involved in Manwin
3) as ceo of Manwin Canada, Feras is in charge of most of the employees of the group, so he is the obvious pr choice if the owner is not available for an announcement. Does not change who is the shareholder
4) Feras Antoon was not president or ceo of Mansef when the us seized funds. I am not sure if he ever was president in corp records, I actually do not think so, but I am not sure right now.
The ceo of Mansef was fired when the funds were seized and Feras was his replacement. Press did not pickup on the seizure for quite some time, so that is why you likely have the wrong timing.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Nathan

ADG, just some info you will not accept/understand/believe:

1) if a company is sold, employees are transferred usually since they are an important asset, why would I not keep the people that ran the assets well before?!
2) the owners of Mansef are not involved in Manwin
3) as ceo of Manwin Canada, Feras is in charge of most of the employees of the group, so he is the obvious pr choice if the owner is not available for an announcement. Does not change who is the shareholder
4) Feras Antoon was not president or ceo of Mansef when the us seized funds. I am not sure if he ever was president in corp records, I actually do not think so, but I am not sure right now.
The ceo of Mansef was fired when the funds were seized and Feras was his replacement. Press did not pickup on the seizure for quite some time, so that is why you likely have the wrong timing.

I believe you about as much as the judge that threw you in jail.

So you went from no Mansef-Manwin connection, to spinning again.

In one post you write that Mansef did no wrong when their funds were seized, and then you also wrote, "The ceo of Mansef was fired when the funds were seized". <---- That is called spinning.

Who was the one fired? Stephane MANos (Feras Antoon's brother-in-law), or hahahahahahaha (O-u-i-s-s-a-m) YouSEFf.

NOTE: Theo, why is Youseff's first name still a banned word if he is no longer a player at Mansef-Win?

No matter how you try to spin it, Feras Antoon was a part of the Mansef organization before becoming CEO, and he was a part of the same management group that denied they were behind some of the worst offending content piracy tube sites until they were caught:

http://takedownpiracy.com/2010/01/co...nd-tube-sites/

People like you only admit to what they do after they get caught, and then they still try to spin a web of lies to justify their misdeeds.

You keep acting like an innocent victim in everything whether it is taxes, piracy, money laundering, etc, and yet you never wonder why your name always comes up alongside shady partners such as Bob Rice, Daniel Sundin, the Mansef crew, et al?



ADG

[Nathan]

ADG, we can go back and forth and you can keep claiming things. It will not change facts.

The ceo if Mansef was someone else at the time, I never saw his name mentioned. Who made mistakes, who knows. The ceo was fired, you judge who likely was the one that made a mistake.

Shit happens when you do business. That's just how business is.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Nathan

ADG, we can go back and forth and you can keep claiming things. It will not change facts.

The ceo if Mansef was someone else at the time, I never saw his name mentioned. Who made mistakes, who knows. The ceo was fired, you judge who likely was the one that made a mistake.

Shit happens when you do business. That's just how business is.

Well, we can all agree that shit certainly happens when you do business.

Apparently taxes aren't the only thing that you evade.



I asked you a simple question:

Who was the (CEO) fired? Stephane MANos (Feras Antoon's brother-in-law), or hahahahahahaha (O-u-i-s-s-a-m) YouSEFf?

Your (non) answer?

The ceo if Mansef was someone else at the time, I never saw his name mentioned. Who made mistakes, who knows. The ceo was fired, you judge who likely was the one that made a mistake.

You don't know the name of the CEO of Mansef that was fired right before you supposedly bought Mansef, and no one knows who made the mistakes that led to millions getting seized/forfeited as a result of a money laundering investigation?

No wonder so much shit happens at Manwin under your (mis)management.



ADG

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

awesome, at the top of the vid he blames the government for him stealing shit... 90% of GFY will cosign that

typical thief logic...someone else made him steal this.

200 rogue designers made him steal it i bet

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by Nathan

What I can tell you is seizures by the us happen more often than you think and more often than not are unfounded. It was regarding a license for a money-transmitting business because they setup a company in the US to cut checks from to affiliates.

I agree seizure happens too easily, and that having funds seize not necessarily means you deserved it. Example: I used webmastercheck years ago to issue checks to affiliates, and due to some (gambling? I am not sure) guy having an account with them too, whole webmasterchecks funds was seized for nearly a year... I suppose a few million... including some $80,000 of mine - it was boring, but this is part of being in "high risk, not very supported by banks" adult business. I think webmasterchecks was fully innocent really. Like when police seize a whole server used for 100 sites of different customers, because one surfer posted a bad link in a blog comments field, that some other viewer reported (this happened! In Europe too). I am not stating here that Mansef/Manwin was all ok, I don't know details. Just saying that being seized funds can be bad luck, and real criminals are laundering billions (like Mexico drug cartel on HSBC - this we know as busted, but think at those not busted ever, and going on). I think the real secref of Manwin it is that the investors money come from the pension fund of the Christian Teachers and the Club of the Charitable Republican Senators.

[ReggieDurango]

Bump dis shiznizzle!

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Anyone who has ever made an fuck flick will tell you, there are some big bucks being made on international deals and if your company does something to to fuck that up, it can cost your company, well everything or in the case of Manwin, millions upon millions of dollars.

I have a friend who works at Manwin and he secretly tells me that Fabian is out and it is because his arrest has cost the company millions in international deals because several companies have pulled out of lucrative deals out of fear of being associated with them. I should mention though, by ?out? I mean he?s only out of the public eye. He?s no longer the face or front man for the Manwin investment group.

The reason is, there are some companies, rightfully so, that know that just by doing business with Manwin they are more likely to be scrutinize by various governmental agencies and that is the last thing they need so they opt instead to back off instead.

While my source can?t put an exact dollar figure on it, he did say that he knows of at least 7 different deals gone south as a result of the Fabian arrest. He also confirmed, what we?ve all known all along that Fabian is being treated as the fall guy despite the fact that the authorities are actually looking into the whole company and their business doings, not just his personal affairs as Manwin is publicly saying.

Back in the United States, Manwin, like quite a few others in our business operates under the delusion that just because they aren?t a US based company the US laws don?t apply to them. Funny thing is though, the United States government isn?t quite as stupid as some people tend to think they are and they have laws on the book about those companies, who while a foreign entity, still operate in some capacity in the US. And that is what apparently is going to nail quite a few people at Manwin and no not just Fabian Thylmann.

Furthermore I am told Fabian will be stepping back from the public eye, taking less of a ?managing partner? role and will now act as a more of a behind the scenes kind of guy.

However keep in mind he is a part owner in the company so he is not out, as others are suggesting. He as a vested financial interest in Manwin so it?s not like you can just fire the guy and get rid of him. Plus even if they did, who cares. Manwin would just put the next puppet in his place and its business as usual.

Who will take over the public role of ?boss? is uncertain at this time but two different people have taken on the role in the interim.

Fabian should have had time by now to find someone at Manwin who knows who the fired CEO at Mansef was, and the reason for his firing, since according to Nathan, no wrong was done, and millions were forfeited simply due to a misunderstanding about money-laundering.



ADG

[bronco67]

I choose option B