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KRL 02-27-2003 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
I don't like to save money. Makes me feel lazy. It's not like I ever plan to do manual labor and I love working on new ideas. If I'm 80 years old and not working on at least 3 projects simultaneously I'd probably jump into a volcano... I have some older friends that are inventing and producing all kinds of cool shit in their 70's... Why save money when you can invest in new business... new products, designs, domains, software, property, hardware, content, etc. I've got books full of unfinished ideas just waiting for investment -- and same with my friends... I'm producing all kinds of shit -- software, furniture/product designs, rap artists, novels, gallery spaces, and someday architecture... always researching new shit and jotting down and looking for new ideas... it's more entertaining than watching TV. The only security I need is Plan B, Plan C, and Plan D, meanwhile I'm working on E, F, G and thinking about H, I and J down the line.
WORD! One of the best posts I've seen on here! :thumbsup

asuna 02-27-2003 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Do you have an investment/insurance broker?


Back in about the middle of 2000, my income from porn had really taken an upswing, from virtually nil in '99 to around $4k a month. ($4k a month US is a LOT here in Winnipeg, let me tell you). I got a cold-call from some guy wanting to talk about investing etc. Get this: his name..... "Webster Webb". How appropriate was that?

This guy has turned out to be a godsend.

He got me started by setting up what is called a "Challenger fund", a long-term investment that has a high rate of return and many great features for money management, features that come with it because there is a small life insurance policy attached to it. One of the perks is that, if you're ever sued by anyone including the government, this fund <i>CAN'T</i> be touched. It is exempt from a greedy spouse in a divorce situation as well. Not that those things worry me at this point, but they are well-received none the less.

He has set up funds for all the money accrued in a pension fund from my former hospital career, and has set me up with aggressive investments in addition to that.

Still I don't think I'm doing enough. But I'm wondering,.... how many of you have an "investment guy" that you're working with on your future? What is your long-term plan here? Since there is no "webmaster union" and no paid benefits or life insurance, no dental plan, no nothing.... are you still living paycheque to paycheque or are you investing in your future?

Go watch boiler room

CDSmith 02-27-2003 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Monk
Care to share what kind of investments they are? Sounds a little too good to be true.
Any good investment guy should be able to lay out a wide range of lower risk investment choices for you, and be able to supply you with rate-of-return performance quotes of each one. Many people will divide up their investment and put it into a mix of several areas rather than dumping all of it into say, the NYSE.

No, there are a few places to invest in that have done well for people in recent years. Although I will say this.... like hershie pointed out earlier, many people's RSP's and mutual funds have taken a bad hit over the past year, including some of my own. It is times like these that a lot of people wish they had gone more for a guaranteed term depost at a much lower interest rate, but I am thinking long-term, not next year or the year after. Over the course of 20 years there are bound to be a few years where cerain investments lose money. However, when I am 50 or 55 I want to have enough invested to live off of in a very good manner if I choose to do so, thus I will stick it out and keep moving forward.

CDSmith 02-27-2003 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by asuna
Go watch boiler room
I have no idea what that means.

SleazyDream 02-27-2003 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Sleazy, good post.

Sentinel has grown, they deal with many of the large players, one of which is TransAmerica Life. Huge.


Money in that Challenger fund doesn't have to be touched though. It is safe. The return is, well, I'm happy with it so far. I'm invested aggressively, but not TOO aggressively.

You're right about the period of time where the money isn't totally protected/sheltered, but that is in place for a reason. Some guys try to "hide" funds in such an account the second they are in jeapardy, and courts tend to frown on that. So yeah, you better off to have your money in there long-term. My fund has been in existance for over 2 years now, and my rep at Transamerica tells me that they would fight to protect my interests on my behalf. I'm told that 5 years is the generally accepted period.



Btw, if you built up a base of over $13 mil in client investments, why would you walk away from that? I told my investment guy the part about "My average client's income was over $100K/year." and he laughed. It was a big genuine belly laugh.

I didn't walk away from it, I SOLD it. I was on the road 3 out of four weeks a month and got sick of traveling. My client base was quite spread out in many different small northern towns. It's much easier to work from home in porn for more money. I can always buy another block of business at any time if I want back in - there are always agents wanting to retire and sell off chunks of their client base.
All I can say to that is that it's obvious that your agent doesn't travel in the same circles as real agents. I was court of the table MDRT (2nd level MDRT, not the first) - you can tell him that. I never bothered with it though and didn't even put it on my cards. I had a CFP too but the designations never really meant much to me. I also rarly went into clients homes - I rented office space in the towns I worked in.

my clients were mostly northern self employed business people. Farmers, construction workers, contractors, etc.
most had gross incomes of several million dollars and net incomes in the six figgure range.
I never pretended to be able to do their taxes - I worked with CAs and tax lawyers- not CGA's, - who knew what they were doing.

SleazyDream 02-27-2003 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks


nope, I'm spending money like a drunken sailor.

i do both - I save a cetain small percentage and BLOW every last penny of the rest living life to the fullest.

CDSmith 02-27-2003 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream


I didn't walk away from it, I SOLD it. I was on the road 3 out of four weeks a month and got sick of traveling. My client base was quite spread out in many different small northern towns. It's much easier to work from home in porn for more money. I can always buy another block of business at any time if I want back in - there are always agents wanting to retire and sell off chunks of their client base.
All I can say to that is that it's obvious that your agent doesn't travel in the same circles as real agents. I was court of the table MDRT (2nd level MDRT, not the first) - you can tell him that. I never bothered with it though and didn't even put it on my cards. I had a CFP too but the designations never really meant much to me. I also rarly went into clients homes - I rented office space in the towns I worked in.

my clients were mostly northern self employed business people. Farmers, construction workers, contractors, etc.
most had gross incomes of several million dollars and net incomes in the six figgure range.
I never pretended to be able to do their taxes - I worked with CAs and tax lawyers- not CGA's, - who knew what they were doing.

I like this guy's service though, and the fact that he does come to my home. And about cold calls, well maybe it's different in the country, I don't know, but even the hardiest agents and brokers sometimes feel the need to add to their client base.

And further to the tax thing.... Well, I'm not at the stage where I need a $200+ per hour certified accountant (I've had higher rates quoted to me), and my guy is very knowledgeable in this area as well, especially in the area of write-offs for small business. That is good enough for me, just what the doc ordered actually, and I can always hire an accountant in the future if needed.

WiredGuy 02-27-2003 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by PornkingsJen
she is swamped. i will tell her you say hello and extend your invitation to her to move in! :)
Same invitation goes for you, anytime you want to move in with me, your always welcome!

WG

CDSmith 02-27-2003 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
I didn't walk away from it, I SOLD it. I was on the road 3 out of four weeks a month and got sick of traveling. My client base was quite spread out in many different small northern towns. It's much easier to work from home in porn for more money.
That makes sense.

Further to: the part about visiting people's homes vs working out of an office.... your former situation would warrant the offices of course. No question. I am very happy with my investment guy though, especially because I don't have to interrupt my workday to go visit his office to sign a few papers, he comes to me. In the city you can get away with it, but I can see that working a client list out in the wilds you would want them to come to you.

Quoth the Raven 02-27-2003 04:16 PM

These bottom feeder investment counselors, bankers, advisers whaterver only think of filling up their pocket first. All of the capital ventures we were recommended by these cock suckers produced negative returns and on some we had to pay out more than our initial investments.

Better spend your money in things you enjoy than burning it away with these investment planners.

asuna 02-27-2003 04:18 PM

49, i mean 50

hahmike 02-27-2003 04:18 PM

nobody is interested in my <s><font size=1>bank scam</font></s> investment plan? :(

CDSmith 02-27-2003 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by Quoth the Raven
These bottom feeder investment counselors, bankers, advisers whaterver only think of filling up their pocket first. All of the capital ventures we were recommended by these cock suckers produced negative returns and on some we had to pay out more than our initial investments.

Better spend your money in things you enjoy than burning it away with these investment planners.

Again, I'm talking about putting money aside in something that pays better than a lousy savings account at a bank, which has squat for an interest rate. I am NOT talking about risking money playing the markets.

Put it this way.... to those that still have "jobs".... most companies offer their employees a retirement fund as part of their benefits package, right? Well, as a freelance webmaster you HAVE NO RETIREMENT FUND except for what you put together yourself. This is what I'm saying.... there is no way in hell that what I'm talking about is a BAD idea. If you're not thinking about your future well-being and you are a full-time webmaster, then you should start now. If you don't, well, you may be out of luck at some point.

dantheman 02-27-2003 04:29 PM

I'm planning on buying a sail boat and sailing away :glugglug

steffie 02-27-2003 06:15 PM

Real Estate

Aza 02-27-2003 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
I don't like to save money. Makes me feel lazy. It's not like I ever plan to do manual labor and I love working on new ideas. If I'm 80 years old and not working on at least 3 projects simultaneously I'd probably jump into a volcano... I have some older friends that are inventing and producing all kinds of cool shit in their 70's... Why save money when you can invest in new business... new products, designs, domains, software, property, hardware, content, etc. I've got books full of unfinished ideas just waiting for investment -- and same with my friends... I'm producing all kinds of shit -- software, furniture/product designs, rap artists, novels, gallery spaces, and someday architecture... always researching new shit and jotting down and looking for new ideas... it's more entertaining than watching TV. The only security I need is Plan B, Plan C, and Plan D, meanwhile I'm working on E, F, G and thinking about H, I and J down the line.
damn right man :thumbsup


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