Yeah obviously I don't think everyone out there makes a sale at 1:2000. It depends. Also you can make the link text "Click here to pay $30 a month to subscribe to SexStarvedMilfs now!" and probably do 1:100 at the expense of your CTR. But on average whether many players will like to admit it or not I think the average webmaster is right around 1:2000 for paysites if not worse at this time.

Now I know someone is going to take a potshot and say "only the ones who don't know what they are doing" or some other thing. This happens all the time here and is typical GFY rep or bullshit speak. But common sense and reality tells a different story. Affiliates would not be leaving the industry if they were able to convert most sponsors at 1:500 nor would the sponsors be closing down sometimes dozens per week.

I think the bottom line here is that if you don't like the minimum payments then avoid the sponsor. If they change them for the worse, blacklist the sponsor, blacklist the owner, pull all links, and find another sponsor. If OldJeff doesn't like it then tell him to go fuck himself just like he pretty much told you when you complained of the minimums.

Nobody can force you to use a given sponsor. Nobody can force you to listen to some guy's egotistical bullshit on Go Fuck Yourself. It's up to you to run your own business and decide for yourself.

When I launched the program for tubecamgirl I had set minimum to $10, and since I also pay nearly daily on demand... I soon had to change minimum to $20, since lots of people was simply asking me a $10 transfer every single damn day on paxum, payoneer, webmoney's :)
Then they made with $20's... so with some I dealt they should wait for it to be at least $100, but I can see they (especially filipino and third world) really care to get even a $20 a single day sooner. I even think they choice my program because of mid-week payouts as they may probably not want to wait mondays...

I think a reasonable compromise is for a sponsor to send you a check if you've been sitting at the minimum payment level for some time. Maybe also make it configurable so that affiliates who pay fees for foreign checks won't be mailed something that will cost them more to cash than its face value.

NOW THIS IS A POST I CAN STAND BEHIND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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However I made a general post about complaining did not single anyone out :)

I stand corrected. You are not a Player. Congratulations! :thumbsup

Exactly!

If you have made $195 of your minimum $200 and you have moved out of the niche or you just don't want to support the sponsor for some reason. You should be paid that $195 at request, not be told "no, you didn't meet your damn minimum".

OldJeff. you sound like a bit of a pratt to be honest.

Its all good as long as program pays out what is owed (bellow minimum) when you decide that that sponsors is not good for you.

Standard business practices are to close out accounts owed at the end of the fiscal year and to pay any amount outstanding. Many porn companies used to do this once. But as we all know there is more than our fair share of scumbags in this industry and eventually it became acceptable to not do this and to use the minimum as a way to steal money from low volume affiliates or affiliates who have otherwise moved on.

The new trend now is to also refuse to payout to affiliates below the minimum who request it along with a closing of their account.

If I got my accounts paid out once every 6 months or a year, you would never hear a peep from me about minimum payouts. But as a review site owner in this dismal climate, it's a serious problem.

The truth is that it isn't a problem of paying people too often for small amounts, it's that program owners have gotten fat eating from their (our) float, and rely on it to pay their own bills.

Maybe we can get a Barefootsies clap to that? Doubt it. Pissing on your business partners is something to be proud of, after all.

And what about affiliates who send more than $1000+ worth of traffic, but does not tell where to pay, and even seems unreachable if you try to contact them, even they continue to send traffic and signups, but you can't find how to pay them? :)
I have a few.

:thumbsup This is a really important point.

For me, for example, if a program has an update with an alt girl in it, if they are CCBill, I will toss them some promo and probably make a few joins. If they do not regularly have those types of updates, I don't feel like giving an $80 zero interest loan to a lot of programs.

Given the structure of what niches I promote, I simply do not promote programs which are NATS standalone, if I do not think I will be likely to make their minimums at least once a month.

I think one of the secrets of PimpRoll's success is not having minimum payouts like that. PimpRoll comes across more baller for looking like it can afford to pay its affiliates.

The one place where I view the payout threshold as a real issue is where programs change from say $50 to $250. Affiliates have made their decisions on what strategy to use in promotion, based on many factors, including payout threshold.

I understand why small outfits may wish to do accounting more infrequently, but I see no good reason for any large company to be lazy about paying what they owe. How long does it really take to get the system to autogenerate another check?

Bold added for emphasis. This is a really important point. I am super glad I'm not trying to just sell general interest adult now. Focusing on specific niches does create specific patterns and needs, from an affiliate perspective.

To be fair, I can't go back to 2001 and change my business model. ;) And I wouldn't anyway, I made a killing some years.

Too late to adapt, there's much easier fish to fry than adult these days. I've written up like $75k in proposals this weekend. I just have no energy to focus on diminishing returns. It's too depressing.

Bumping this thread because OldJeff says everything I think but never bothered to post... :thumbsup

17 milion joins in 15 years of your industry career means at least 1 milion joins a year, means at least 2.5k joins a day and yet still posting on GFY, of course sir :error