Trayvon be held up as the innocent? He would be the kid who beat up the neighborhood watch guy. I just noticed if you take the gun out, and police break it up in progress, isn't he, Trayvon in jail?
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I doubt a physical confrontation have happened if Zimmerman didn't have a gun. Firstly I doubt Zimmerman would have followed him in the way he did. Second, I suspect the physical confrontation started or escalated the moment when it became clear Zimmerman had a weapon. There is no witness either way to testify against this other than Zimmerman.
If you think about it Zimmerman carrying the gun was probably what made the confrontation escalate into something serious in the first place. Zimmerman's injuries did not require hospitalization. Multiple people were already on the phone with the police before he fired the gun. Zimmerman had called them earlier in fact and they were on their way. I think they arrived less than a minute or two after the gun was fired.
I'm not a big anti-gun activist but it seems clear that untrained people with guns = more lethal confrontations. Now a bar fight or a street pushing match can turn into a case where someone shoots the other person dead whereas before it would have been a relatively minor fight.
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Something kind of scary to consider if you dare is that initially there was no case as the police decided it didn't warrant one... I'd bet you dollars that if he hadn't died that he would have been charged with assault and battery of the heroic neighborhood watch captain in a heartbeat though.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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Well if you believe GZ when Trayvon saw his gun supposedly Trayvon said to him "You are going to die tonight!" before even taking his weapon from him. Somehow GZ got the gun first and blew him away. And I guess Trayvon never even touched the gun because from what I understand his prints aren't on it and GZ never claimed that.
So Trayvon, an unarmed 17 year old kid, got in a fight with George Zimmerman, tried to kill him by bashing his head into the concrete and then upon seeing his weapon threatened to kill him before even securing George's weapon. Yeah. But the jury has spoken...
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Exactly.
I know 17 year old kids from the burbs, and they would all have said, "sorry sir. I will leave right away, sir", etc. Conflict resolution versus escalation. I know we are all keyboard warriors so that is out of the question but in the real world violent behavior is met by force. Totally sucks for both of them.Comment
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Maybe. But also if you get in a dispute with someone and there are no witnesses around maybe in Florida it's better to be the one to blow them away first before they have a chance to blow you away and claim self defense. It's a scary precedent. I think the law needs some further work.
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George Zimmerman said that Trayvon saw his gun and then threatened to kill him BEFORE even securing his weapon. You would think the kid would have been high on something other than pot to be that crazy.
Who sees an armed person and threatens to kill them while the other person still has control of the weapon? But oh well....
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Well, George also said on video which was shown at trial that when Trayvon REACHED for the gun (holstered on the back of his hip under his pants) that George clamped Trayvon's arm between his own arm and chest, and THEN drew and fired the weapon. He's really an amazing man to be able to achieve so many things.
George also told his best friend that night that Trayvon had HOLD of his gun.. but that story just washed away in the rain or whatever.Last edited by Tom_PM; 07-15-2013, 12:33 PM.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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I am an anti-gun activist, however I agree that without the presence of the gun there would not have been a fatal encounter, and that quite possibly Zimmerman would have never gotten out of his car, and there would not have even been a fist fight.
Unfortunately, the jury decision in the Trayvon Martin case muddies up self-defense issues even more, and will possibly cause some people to become more trigger happy, or to invent excuses for homicide, like "he said I was going to die", to justify the murder of another person, even an unarmed person.
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What a strange thing to say to an armed person when you have yet to secure the weapon.
Imagine someone trying to mug me. I am unarmed. They are about 10 feet away and they pull out a hangun and yell "Give me your money fast or I'll shoot". Now I just smile at them and say with a Dirty Harry voice "You are going to die tonight."
Make sense? Of course not. It's like something out of the movies.
If it happened the way GZ says it did then that Trayvon Martin had a huge set of balls. Imagine being an unarmed 17 year old, sucker punching a guy, mounting him and pummeling him, getting interrupted by others who say to "STOP!" and reveal that they are calling the police, and THEN to see the guy below you has a weapon and before securing the weapon from him you tell him "You are going to die tonight!" That's a set of balls right there, no?
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