pretty much a promise wouldn't be surprised if a couple pressure cookers go off soon

Perhaps because a few weeks/months ago (not sure of the date), his school security found women's jewelry and a screwdriver in his backpack that he claimed 'a friend gave to him'. I think phoning the police would kind of be like reporting on himself, wouldn't it.


Here's another point; if he was staying at his dad's girlfriend's house for some time, wouldn't he have known that the community has a watch group, so that the 'creepy ass cracker' following him was very likely community vigilance? Just throwing it out there...


For those that say 'a kid got shot for just walking home with skittles', all those people should be sent to space to live on the moon together in idiocy.

George Zimmerman had intention and malice to shoot the 'kid' but he decided to call the police first?


It's just absurd arguing with morons.

sorry for the double post... that little detail there.

Are you fucking serious? C'mom Roch your head isn't that fucking hard is it????

You obviously get your news from underneath a fucking rock. Know what you're posting about in the future cuz you are looking really fucking stupid on this one.

Are you not paying attention?

Zimmerman told the 911 operator that Martin was running away from him.

Not at all. Seventeen year old kids don't pay any kind of attention to things like that.

We've had a string of broken windshields in my hometown for the past month, but I am guessing my kid knows nothing about it. It's just not something that ends up on their radar.

No one is saying that Zimmerman set out that night to shoot someone. He went out with the best of intentions.

Instead, Zimmerman pursued the kid for seventeen minutes, scaring the kid to the point where Martin ran away from Zimmerman. Martin ran away from him, and Zimmerman continued to pursue him. A confrontation took place - who punched who first is irrelevant because both sides can claim self defense - and Zimmerman shot and killed the kid because he was on the loosing end of a fist fight.

well the protest has spilled onto the freeway in california no shots fired yet

Yet another fabrication and gross distortion of the facts on your part.... and a matter where the law is quite clear disagrees with your overly emotional and irrational opinion you insist on representing as fact.

call the police?

the people who didn't think a dead teenager was worth investigating?

Any negro that calls for a race war isn't very good at math.

that's funny, i remember the last race war going in their favour

guess that wasn't covered in your history books.. probably got cut along with 'evolution'

Fixed it for you.

He was running from an armed man who was chasing him....

yea you guys do that a lot.

makes for a pretty world, yes?

Quit playing dumb. The facts of the case then, and they were investigated, were insufficient evidence to press charges under Florida law.

Just as the court/jury found him not-guilty for the exact same reasons. Quit making shit up.


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Not to mention that after extensive investigation, by local police and the state prosecutors office, the governor got directly involved in preventing them from calling a grand jury to determine if there was enough evidence to charge Zimmerman... which would be standard procedure.

It's called "reality." You should try a dose.

You are distorting the facts. Whether or not he briefly ducked between houses - causing Zimmerman to jump out of his car briefly to look to see where he went as he was directing police to Martins location, who were basically less than a few minutes away, does not mean that Martin "was running for his life" as you would like people to believe.

Furthermore, there is absolutely ZERO evidence to suggest that Martin knew Zimmerman was armed until he was on top of him, kicking his ass... so no, he was not "running from an armed man". Another gross distortion of the facts on your part.

we need a gfy independent adjudicator to resolver y'alls differences. i can handle that, lemme know. we can get this cleared up and off the front page asap and y'all can get back to pron. or 9/11, either way.

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along with the millions who agree with me.

do you think there is millions who think zimmermans innocent? i think maybe a million. maybe.

I think the FBI, the state prosecutors office, the district attorneys office, the investigating officers, eye witnesses, expert witnesses, the defense, the prosecution and the facts/evidence along with a 6 person jury made it extremely clear what the facts where and who is right or wrong.

but thanks :)

i figured so too, yet you're still here arguing about it all. it's pretty funny to watch from the sidelines, especially when considering this case means absolutelty nothing to anyone outside the parties involved. no lives have changed here as a result of this but the arguing is like this is life or death.

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is that accurate tho?

I think this has the possibility of becoming a cataclysmic event for areas still in the grip of racism

History in the age of the internet is not written by the victors. History is written by irrational, emotional and reactive people who simply keep saying their version over and over until it becomes increasingly accepted as you see with this case.

I think that people should be reminding others of the facts in such an emotionally and racially charged incident, rather than allowing others to continually change, edit, and misrepresent the facts and create an alternate, fabricated version of events causing others, like some on this very forum to prepare for and cheer on race riots.

Anyone who expects "Justice" from a court case like this is very naive.

Courthouses aren't built to disperse justice they are built to disperse the law.

Under Florida Law Zimmerman was found not guilty.

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it's my observation, but i'll pose the question here,

has anyone arguing in this thread, or the mega thread even, been personally impacted by this case?

You are correct in your view..which is why the administrators of this board gave us the IGNORE feature. Debating with some of these people is like herding cats.

Throwing facts at them is very much like throwing water at cats.

oh, i hear ya. i come here to do the same, or did up till recently. it's fun but futile, right? take this thred, rochard is arguing his side more vehemently than ever. regardless that every point in this thread was argued ad naseum in the mega thread.

moreover, it's brought out more rochards to sort out too, it seems.

either way, i know there's no point to gfy, i was actually being my smart aleck self suggesting an independent whatever. i loled when i typed it. thought it was funny.

I watched a lot of the trial from the local website who had a live blog everyday. They would put up polls and it was a pretty solid 75 - 80% who felt Zimmerman was not guilty of anything. Personally, I feel it was pretty clear that he was way way out of line but I wasn't on the jury or in the court room.

Detectives said based on GZ's accounts of TM's actions, they would not have even bothered to stop and question him. They also didn't understand why he followed and made several corrections to him to let him know they knew he WAS following. They also didn't understand why he NEVER once said who he was or said he was neighborhood watch or anything else at all. It's quite impossible that he didn't know the name of one of the three streets in the complex he called home for 4 years and was neighborhood watch captain of. The very idea of "smothering" which GZ initially put a lot of emphasis on fell apart when he heard of the audio recording where you can hear him yelling for help until he fires his weapon. There was also no blood on TM's hands. Hmm.. I think I could go on for a long time on the inconsistent stories of GZ, but hey, according to the defense, if a story doesn't change a little with each re-telling, it's probably a lie. Clear as mud.

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Is this a contest between you and Rochard or something?

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By that exact same token, everyone knows GZ is a wanker who started the whole sequence of events that led to someone's death, but while everyone knows exactly what happened a few minutes prior, that moment the shot was fired, he was in fear of his life. Or to put it more accurately, it cannot be proved he was not in fear of his life.

Seems you're all for prior events having nothing to do with the event in hand (in this case the moment the shot was fired), and all for the law applying (in this case whether he, rightly or wrongly, genuinely *believed* his life to be in danger) regardless, except when it doesn't suit your personal feelings on the matter.

Reminds me of the case a few years back when a teacher was found guilty after hitting some gang twat - yes the guy deserved it, but you just can't do that under the eyes of the law. Yes, GZ is a dick and his actions cost someone their life that night, but in the eyes of the law the only correct outcome was not guilty. It sucks, but then so does the law most of the time, so no surprises there.

You'd have far better luck getting agreement asking if you think GZ's actions led to a man dying, rather than whether he is guilty of murder. There's a distinction between the two.

I was born and raised in central Fla.

When I was in High School in Bartow, Fla black teens would wait in the hallway and bully you if you were a white kid. And if you even looked at them in the eye, they would jump you and beat the crap out of you.

I walked home from school every day. And over half the time there would be a gang of black teenage boys jumping white teen boys.

The reason? Because we were white. No other reason. I'm not making this up. And anyone else who was in high school in Fla. during that time would back up what I'm saying.

THAT was pure racism. I was just a kid without a racist bone in my body. But those young blacks were full of hate and loved to fight (as a group of course, none of them had the balls to fight by themselves).

Richard, when you have your ass beat by a dozen black guys...it can change your perspective on racism.

Much to my pleasant surprise...once I was out of high school I found that the same black guys who were such asshole racists in school had changed and were cool people as grownups.

I lived as an adult in Florida from 1979 to 1988. Played in bands with black musicians (lived with them, traveled on the road). Fucked a lot of black girls. Tag teamed a lot of white women with my black friends.

In 1988 I moved to South Carolina. I thought that it would be THE most racist place ever...I was wrong. If anything it was less than it was in Miami (where I had been living for the past couple of years before moving to SC)

Then in 1990 I moved to Atlanta, Ga.
I don't know the population percentages there. But I felt like a minority. Everywhere I went...clubs, restaurants, movies, etc. was mostly black folks. No problems.

Moved back up into S.C. in 1993 and some of my best friends were black guys. And in interactions between folks in everyday life you just didn't see or hear of any racist type things happening. People just get along there.

Then I went up into New York City in 1997 for a couple of weeks shooting content.
Holy fucking shit.
I've never seen such racism in my life! Every racial and ethnic group in NYC seems to hate each other.

I was shooting some stuff out on the streets and the guy who lived there that was showing me around wouldn't let me walk down certain neighborhoods because he flat told me that the blacks living there would kill me just for being white.

My point in this long-winded story is: You think you know what you're talking about. You read stuff and think it's true. "Oh the South is racist"
Try going to the Northern cities in the U.S. if you want racism. NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit...THOSE are some racist cities where racially profiled crime happens every day.

But since it's mostly blacks committing those crimes, our society doesn't label it as "racist"
Nope. It HAS to be a "white" guy (and now it's obvious that a hispanic will do if no white guy is available) "profiling" a black guy and then we have a worldwide sensationalized case.

Meanwhile, as we sit here debating this, several young black men are slaughtering several other black men in Chicago.

And if you want to see some "racism", then just be a white person and TRY to walk down one of those streets. No, not at night. Not with a hoodie on. Not walking up on people's property...Just TRY to walk down one of those streets in Chicago in broad daylight on the sidewalk.

You won't make it one city block.
THAT my friend is racism.

i grew up in vancouver as a poor white kid

i know exactly what racism, and more importantly, discrimination, is.

Yeah, we've all heard how horrible Canada is.

Thanks for sharing your pain as a middle class white guy raised in the beautiful city of Vancouver.

pain? id call it growth

for all parties.

Came up on the mean streets of Vancouver, eh? Did those Asian kids kick your ass at math?

Stop your fucking lying; I thought the Marines trained you better than that. :2 cents:

One glance at Google can convince anyone of that.

He is pretty fucking ignorant, that is for sure.

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I was extremely poor as a kid. I didn't have a job or any money at all.

Thank God my parents did though! :1orglaugh