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|  07-13-2013, 08:02 PM | #1 | 
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				So was Zimmerman innocent, Morally, after all?
			 Watching the press conference with Zimmerman's lawyers.. Were we all taken along for the "ZIMMERMAN is a racist killer, and a wanna be vigilante" smear campaign in the media started by some fringe element with alternate (alternate to justice that is) civil intentions-ride all along? What these guys are saying right now makes me suspect that the answer is maybe we were... DISCUSS! This seems like a good microcosm for a greater life lesson: Never judge a book by it's cover: aka, understand something fully and educate yourself about it BEFORE you freak out and form your opinion. | 
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|  07-13-2013, 08:21 PM | #2 | 
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|  07-13-2013, 08:38 PM | #3 | 
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				 |  It made for good TV, but the jury didn't fall for it. | 
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|  07-13-2013, 08:39 PM | #4 | 
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				 | oh look, a 17 year old acting like a 17 year old, fuck off door nob 
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|  07-13-2013, 08:44 PM | #5 | 
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|  07-13-2013, 08:49 PM | #6 | 
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|  07-16-2013, 12:56 AM | #7 | 
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				 | Bump for discussion! | 
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|  07-16-2013, 01:03 AM | #8 | |
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 I was in a pizzeria when this hit the news. I remember thinking how bad it looked & how bad the media was rushing to judgement. I couldn't help but lean towards Tm's side but something was telling me to wait for all the facts. As soon as the no limit nigga shit hit & he wasn't that little boy with the hollister shirt I said "now the facts are coming in" Ds 
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|  07-16-2013, 01:12 AM | #9 | 
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				 | We will never know. Was only able to get his side of the story for obvious reasons.  Was there enough evidence to disprove his self-defense claim beyond all reasonable doubt? No. Maybe a civil suit will find him 70% (or any % at fault) and award what they feel will be appropriate monetary compensation. The juror writing the book has already said through her agent that based on how he was charged and the instructions the jury was given, there was no choice but to find him innocent. Should make for an interesting book since her husband is an attorney and will coauthor it with her. | 
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|  07-16-2013, 01:16 AM | #10 | |
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 The night of his death he was wearing skinny jeans and a properly fitted hoodie. It's not like his pants were around his knees and he was wearing an XXL shirt. He was actually dressed quite decently for a nighttime walk for a snack and beverage. | |
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|  07-16-2013, 08:11 AM | #11 | |
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 Conventional Wisdom. In America, conventional wisdom that has mass acceptance is usually contrived: somebody paid for it or stands to profit from it.  | |
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|  07-16-2013, 08:14 AM | #12 | |
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 I guess in BC they do | |
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|  07-16-2013, 08:18 AM | #13 | 
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				 | Nobody ever said they were neighborhood watch. When presented with several opportunities to say "I'm neighborhood watch", he said nothing. Even the cops were dumbfounded by this. There was also no evidence that anyone but Zimmerman grabbed for a gun. If you're going to take only Zimmerman's word on what happened, then there are several versions to sort through. 
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|  07-16-2013, 08:24 AM | #14 | 
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				 | when does zimmerman get his gun back? | 
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|  07-16-2013, 08:27 AM | #15 | 
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				 | Under Florida law he was not guilty. Anything else is speculation or emotional opinion. . | 
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|  07-16-2013, 12:48 PM | #16 | 
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				 | Sometimes the best part of a book is it's cover.  There is a reason you wear a suit to a job interview, if you want to be profiled a certain way, dress as such.  | 
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|  07-16-2013, 02:21 PM | #17 | 
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				 | I don't know. | 
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|  07-16-2013, 02:28 PM | #18 | 
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				 | only in this country you can bullshit your way out    oj some say he did im not too sure kacey anthony zimmerman if i do something i get caught for im hoping for a good lawyer  
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|  07-16-2013, 08:16 PM | #19 | |
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|  07-16-2013, 08:57 PM | #20 | 
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|  07-16-2013, 09:21 PM | #21 | 
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|  07-16-2013, 09:23 PM | #22 | |
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|  07-16-2013, 09:27 PM | #23 | |
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 anytime someone says racist others say white person even when zimmerman is hispanic and no white person or hispanic would identify him as white. only black people identify him as white. | |
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|  07-16-2013, 09:31 PM | #24 | 
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				 | When they told Zimmerman that the entire event was on tape he said "Thank God" To me that is not someone that feared the truth about what happened. 
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|  07-16-2013, 11:46 PM | #25 | 
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|  07-17-2013, 06:11 AM | #26 | 
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				 | Under the conditions set forth under a criminal case, he was indeed innocent as the jury found.  A civil case I think he will be found guilty because the requirements are not as narrow and his full actions will be taken into account. | 
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|  07-17-2013, 07:08 AM | #27 | 
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				 | No matter how much shit ppl throw at the 17yr old black boy, NOTHING CAN JUSTIFY THIS MURDER. Its a fucking shame how some of the Americans react on this whole case. Fucking Shame On You!  One more thing: I don't care At All about the color of the skin of all the involved ppl. It is a murder, and Zimmerman is a murderer, and there is a dead 17 year old boy in this story.  
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|  07-17-2013, 07:27 AM | #28 | 
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				 | You think I own Dave's company? Dayum, I only worked a few years for them. 
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|  07-17-2013, 07:34 AM | #29 | 
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				 | In my mind a grown man should of not have shot a 17 year old kid. Even if there was an altercation. The adult should of known how to handle the situation better. It is not like TM was a +6 foot goliath anyways.  The only one who knows the reason why and how the fatal shot was fired is GZ... And damn I would not want to be him and have to carry this burden for the rest of my life (as long as it will be). He as now a GIANT target on his back and no jury or decision will be able to remove that target. Although he was found innocent by a jury, my view on this is, he DID kill a kid that did not deserve to be shot that night. He made the choice to do it. 
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|  07-17-2013, 08:40 AM | #30 | |
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 Oh, right, if some little gang banger kills another little gang banger, no on gives a shit... but god fucking damn if there is even the slightest chance to make national headlines on the [false] basis of racism... then by god it's a motherfucking outrage... You people disgust me. I invite any of you wannabe outraged pussies to take a walk with me where I come from and then come talk to me about senseless killings of children (and people in general)... GZ isn't white. From the sounds of it he wasn't racist. And he damn sure didn't kill TM because he was black. But don't let those facts stop you from being complete fucking morons... | |
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|  07-17-2013, 08:43 AM | #31 | |
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|  07-17-2013, 09:01 AM | #32 | 
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|  07-17-2013, 09:21 AM | #33 | 
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				 | Ah, so you were just trying to take a round about shot at me. I get it now, thanks for the clarification. In the future you can just insult me directly is what I'm saying, that works better, if at all. 
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|  07-17-2013, 10:48 AM | #34 | 
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				 | NO, I WAS NOT taking a round about shot at you, I think it is clear that I was taking a Round about shot at DAVE - the doofus. | 
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|  07-17-2013, 10:52 AM | #35 | 
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				 | I believe the saying is.. whatevs 
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|  07-17-2013, 10:58 AM | #36 | 
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				 | Can you show me this evidence? | 
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|  07-17-2013, 11:03 AM | #37 | |
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 http://www.ijreview.com/2013/07/6546...nt-you-to-see/ | |
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|  07-17-2013, 11:05 AM | #38 | 
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				 | Are you sure that this was TM intention, to take the gun and shoot and kill GZ? 
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|  07-17-2013, 11:07 AM | #39 | |
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 If a big kid in hoodie roamed in a gated area around here, people would call the police and let THEM do their jobs. 
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|  07-17-2013, 11:27 AM | #40 | 
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|  07-18-2013, 05:39 PM | #41 | 
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				 | Bumpin' this shit, because it's some real shit. | 
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|  07-18-2013, 05:41 PM | #42 | 
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|  07-18-2013, 10:43 PM | #43 | |
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 LOL if you think cops are going to show up. | |
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|  07-18-2013, 11:06 PM | #44 | 
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|  07-18-2013, 11:08 PM | #45 | |
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				 | i would shoot anyone attacking me also     dont matter the skin color Quote: 
 
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|  07-20-2013, 08:19 AM | #46 | 
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|  07-20-2013, 12:06 PM | #47 | 
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				 | Well. All I know is that Zimmerman lied about a few things that could be proved wrong with recorded tapes. Why would he not make up more stuff in his favour, especially, when the other person is dead? What do you pro Zimmerman's have to say about that? Simple question. I mean, the question is: Why do you support a quite a big liar(In my opinion) and believe everything/or almost everything, Zimmerman says. Of what happened between him and Trayvon Martin. Why? Why do you believe in Zimmerman? 
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|  07-20-2013, 07:23 PM | #50 | 
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				 | This is just Facebook. If you read my 19-year-old nephews Facebook, or some of his friend's Facebooks you would think they were all gangsters and degenerates. They are filled with pictures of them drinking, smoking weed, showing off their piercings and they are a bunch of white boys calling each other the N-word. His Facebook has now twice kept him from getting a job because his potential employer looks him up, sees that and doesn't like what he sees, but my nephew won't change it because he thinks it is cool and makes him look like a badass. | 
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