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  • theking
    Nice Kitty
    • Sep 2002
    • 21053

    #1

    What is your opinion about Florida's

    ...self defense law and the "stand your ground law". Some states have similar laws. Some states demand that if retreat is possible one must retreat before one may use force let alone deadly force...unless deadly force is being used against you from the start.
    Last edited by theking; 07-13-2013, 12:11 AM.
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  • suesheboy
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2002
    • 5211

    #2
    It is good to protect crime victims HOWEVER any professional will tell you that you should try to escape first.

    Every bullet comes with a lawyer and pulling the trigger should be the last possible resort.
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    • Grapesoda
      So Fucking Banned
      • Jul 2003
      • 46238

      #3
      hope I never have personal first hand experience with the law myself

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      • purecane
        Annakin Skywalker
        • Jan 2013
        • 1324

        #4
        Originally posted by suesheboy
        It is good to protect crime victims HOWEVER any professional will tell you that you should try to escape first.

        Every bullet comes with a lawyer and pulling the trigger should be the last possible resort.
        i don't know what "professional" you're talking about, but i don't agree. stand your ground refers to NOT becoming a victim. people get targeted by looking weak and putting themselves in bad situations. now, georgie boy zimmerman using this as his defense is bullshit, so please don't think i'm an advocate for shooting anyone.
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        • clickhappy
          Confirmed User
          • Mar 2004
          • 4027

          #5
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          Cops carry it, Dog the bounty hunter and his crew have it, Operation Repo crew have it.

          I often work at night and always feel a little creeped out.
          One time a weird guy approached me in the parking lot, he said "hey, hey! I want to ask you a question" and I just kept walking and had the pepper spray in my pocket, i felt much better.

          if you shoot someone even to protect yourself then its a big legal mess, if you pepper spray someone then they are back to normal in 25 minutes.

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          • Rochard
            Jägermeister Test Pilot
            • Dec 2001
            • 75733

            #6
            Originally posted by purecane
            i don't know what "professional" you're talking about, but i don't agree. stand your ground refers to NOT becoming a victim. people get targeted by looking weak and putting themselves in bad situations. now, georgie boy zimmerman using this as his defense is bullshit, so please don't think i'm an advocate for shooting anyone.
            If you can extract yourself from the situation that is always your best option. There is no sense taking someone's life if you can avoid it, but just as important if you start shooting with a firearm you might hurt yourself or allow the other person to get that firearm from you - making the situation much worse.

            Always best to leave the situation if possible.
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            • brassmonkey
              Pay It Forward
              • Sep 2005
              • 77396

              #7
              Originally posted by theking
              ...self defense law and the "stand your ground law". Some states have similar laws. Some states demand that if retreat is possible one must retreat before one may use force let alone deadly force...unless deadly force is being used against you from the start.
              gang members are using it for drug turf. if you pull a gun they can kill you and not go to jail.
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              • signupdamnit
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2007
                • 6697

                #8
                It should continue to cover situations where you are on your own property and where the other person has no right to be there (such as a carjacker, burglar, or home invasion)

                It should have a much higher burden of proof for those invoking it in public places and there should be an exception for where you placed yourself in the situation or helped escalate it. In that case something like manslaughter is appropriate. (bar fights, acting like a police officer)

                For instance in the Zimmerman case he should have to prove that he did not try to escalate the situation at any time in addition to having to prove that he felt his life was in danger. If it's found that he did escalate the situation then manslaughter is appropriate.

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                • brassmonkey
                  Pay It Forward
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 77396

                  #9
                  Originally posted by signupdamnit
                  It should continue to cover situations where you are on your own property and where the other person has no right to be there (such as a carjacker, burglar, or home invasion)

                  It should have a much higher burden of proof for those invoking it in public places and there should be an exception for where you placed yourself in the situation or helped escalate it. In that case something like manslaughter is appropriate. (bar fights, acting like a police officer)

                  For instance in the Zimmerman case he should have to prove that he did not try to escalate the situation at any time in addition to having to prove that he felt his life was in danger. If it's found that he did escalate the situation then manslaughter is appropriate.
                  another zimmerman thread?
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                  • signupdamnit
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 6697

                    #10
                    Originally posted by brassmonkey
                    gang members are using it for drug turf. if you pull a gun they can kill you and not go to jail.
                    Yes. This happened here before in Florida.

                    Chief Chitwood said no one can compare that self-defense claim to the strange affair of Leonard Murphy and Terrance Gatlin. According to police records, in August, 2010, the two met for an alleged drug deal. The reports say Mr. Gatlin met with Mr. Murphy on the pretense of selling him more than $2,000 worth of prescription drugs. He then tried to rob Mr. Murphy, who shot him thrice.

                    Mr. Murphy had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, and claimed self-defense. He wasn't charged in the shooting.

                    "Under the self-defense claim, they are now out buying pills, take out their .357s and shoot their dealer," he said. "He got 'self defense' even though they were in the commission of a felony."

                    Records show that a Leonard Raynard Murphy was arrested in July, 2009, on charges of aggravated battery with a firearm and shooting into an occupied vehicle.

                    The chief said Daytona Beach Police wanted to arrest Mr. Murphy after he shot Mr. Gatlin - the State Attorney's office said otherwise.

                    "I've seen cases where we believed we had probable cause to arrest," he said, "and they said, 'Yeah, uh, we're not going to prosecute.'"
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                    • L-Pink
                      working on my tan
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 39151

                      #11
                      Originally posted by purecane
                      stand your ground refers to NOT becoming a victim. people get targeted by looking weak and putting themselves in bad situations. now, georgie boy zimmerman using this as his defense is bullshit, so please don't think i'm an advocate for shooting anyone.
                      But Zimmerman isn't using a stand your ground defense.

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                      • signupdamnit
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 6697

                        #12
                        Originally posted by brassmonkey
                        another zimmerman thread?
                        It's just a very good example of how it's fucked up. But see my other reply.

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                        • brassmonkey
                          Pay It Forward
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 77396

                          #13
                          Originally posted by L-Pink
                          But Zimmerman isn't using a stand your ground defense.
                          he could not use it you cant follow someone claiming self defense after they jump on you
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                          • L-Pink
                            working on my tan
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 39151

                            #14
                            Originally posted by brassmonkey
                            he could not use it you cant follow someone claiming self defense after they jump on you
                            I'm simply pointing this out to someone else. Jump on them, dogg.

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                            • brassmonkey
                              Pay It Forward
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 77396

                              #15
                              Originally posted by L-Pink
                              I'm simply pointing this out to someone else. Jump on them, dogg.
                              no need my .45 is always near by bang bang
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