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sperbonzo 07-11-2013 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19713239)
Or possibly paranoid delusions... :winkwink:


What a hoot it will be to listen to you vent on GFY for 7+ more years if Hillary gets elected in 2016. :1orglaugh





ADG
You will hear the same things from me no matter who wins, unless it is a libertarian that is actually true to his or her beliefs and actually follows the constitution and libertarian ideals.... A Republican will be just as bad. All the Reps and Dems care about is growing their own power.


Of course the fact that those "paranoid delusions" are actually happening should probably not be mentioned here.... so never mind.

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_Richard_ 07-11-2013 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19713267)
Has anyone in this thread mentioned yet that race has nothing to do with this criminal case? The only "profiling" spoken of has been his use of "these assholes always get away" and "fucking punks" which go to his state of mind certainly, but not racism.
do you think, where you live, if you shot someone in self defense, they'd at least drug test you?

brassmonkey 07-11-2013 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19713267)
Has anyone in this thread mentioned yet that race has nothing to do with this criminal case? The only "profiling" spoken of has been his use of "these assholes always get away" and "fucking punks" which go to his state of mind certainly, but not racism.
what color do you think the suspects were??? take a guess hint: not white

Tom_PM 07-11-2013 03:42 PM
The suspects in the Zimmerman case? There was only one and he looks kind of Caucasian but is Hispanic. I'm pretty well versed with the details of the case. I think he should probably get manslaughter since that's been allowed in as a lesser charge (although it carries the same penalty.. but the jury doesn't get told that, so might not know it).

As for drug testing.. I have no idea. I expect to be drug tested if I apply for a job at Sears, but probably not if I shoot someone. Don't ask me to understand it.

Tom_PM 07-11-2013 03:43 PM
I think it's true that Obama has a bad track record when he chimes in on cases and issues.
Beer summit, Arizona "papers please" law, and this case. While I don't think it matters if he wants to say Trayvon was at the age where he could have been his own son, I certainly don't think it helped anyone so he should probably have just kept his mouth shut.

brassmonkey 07-11-2013 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19713282)
I think it's true that Obama has a bad track record when he chimes in on cases and issues.
Beer summit, Arizona "papers please" law, and this case. While I don't think it matters if he wants to say Trayvon was at the age where he could have been his own son, I certainly don't think it helped anyone so he should probably have just kept his mouth shut.
do you keep your mouth shut when you have something to say?

Tom_PM 07-11-2013 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19713285)
do you keep your mouth shut when you have something to say?
I'm not the president.
:pimp

brassmonkey 07-11-2013 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19713286)
I'm not the president.
:pimp
he can say what he wants :2 cents: he's at the top

sperbonzo 07-11-2013 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19713291)
he can say what he wants :2 cents: he's at the top
He is supposed to serve the people and the constitution. He is not "at the top" like some tin pot dictator. He has responsibilities that come with the office. He can't just do whatever he wants, and he shouldn't just do whatever he wants. Sure, he seems to be acting like that, with all of his little "kill lists" etc.... but still.....




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Rochard 07-11-2013 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19713085)
that travel voucher alone is proof of DOJ involvement..
But involvement in what?

Doesn't it make sense that the DOJ of justice would send someone down to Florida to fucking make sure riots don't start?

brassmonkey 07-11-2013 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19713298)
He is supposed to serve the people and the constitution. He is not "at the top" like some tin pot dictator. He has responsibilities that come with the office. He can't just do whatever he wants, and he shouldn't just do whatever he wants. Sure, he seems to be acting like that, with all of his little "kill lists" etc.... but still.....




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:1orglaugh :1orglaugh he will never see your post

Grapesoda 07-11-2013 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19712942)
as i recall, koons got a few years. i remember because i thought his name apropos. :mad:
wasn't for the supposed beating was a civil rights violation.. code for you'd better lock him up we are going to burn shit down again

vdbucks 07-11-2013 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 19713132)
Again your plan wouldn't work because the President's speech was not entered into trial evidence in the first place...so there is nothing to dissect.

Furthermore, the defense already agreed and were satisfied with the current jurors. Obviously ZIM felt they were untainted enough to proceed with trial or else they would have made a motion to change trial venue.
Have you never heard of jury tampering? Attempting to taint the jury like Obama did can certainly be called jury tampering, though hard to prove.

By the way, the Executive branch isn't above the law...

There is a reason that laws like "Due Process of Law" exist...

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A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious.

The constitutional guarantee of due process of law, found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, prohibits all levels of government from arbitrarily or unfairly depriving individuals of their basic constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property. The due process clause of the Fifth Amendment, ratified in 1791, asserts that no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." This amendment restricts the powers of the federal government and applies only to actions by it. The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, declares,"[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" (§ 1). This clause limits the powers of the states, rather than those of the federal government.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...Process+of+Law
And Obama commenting on one side of a case before the trial even began -- or even during a trial, especially if the jury isn't sequestered -- is most definitely an attempt to taint and sway the public opinion of the trial...

Grapesoda 07-11-2013 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19713299)
But involvement in what?

Doesn't it make sense that the DOJ of justice would send someone down to Florida to fucking make sure riots don't start?
that sure would be crazy..... like sending the IRS after your political opponents or something weird like that crazy ...

Tom_PM 07-11-2013 04:05 PM
He can say what he wants, it's just not always advisable to do so. I'm sure he had some of his handlers cringing when he went on the air with a few comments. No big deal as I said, but it stirs up people who wish him no good to begin with for very little return usually.

dyna mo 07-11-2013 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 19713261)
I am not trying to play gotcha with you...just trying to figure out what you are trying to argue in the first place. First I thought you, assuming ZIM's defense role, where going to argue the inappropriateness of the President's speech by having expert witnesses dissect the speech in a court of law. That's why I responded that your plan wouldn't work...and I gave you the reasons why.

Now if all you are saying is that you simply want to dissect the President's speech in front of the general public, outside of a court proceeding, then that's fine...no one is preventing you from doing that...have the freedom of speech to do so. You don't have to follow the rules of a trial court.
i see, i was expanding on my original position, that it's unbecoming of a president to speak to such matters like he did. as i thought about it, it occurred to me that turnabout is fair play in this regard and obama really did give the defense something to make a stink over, which is how i look at defenses/defense attorneys, all they need to do is throw a wrench in the plan, anywhere, client walks.



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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19713302)
wasn't for the supposed beating was a civil rights violation.. code for you'd better lock him up we are going to burn shit down again

ahh, that's how it went.

georgeyw 07-12-2013 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19713291)
he can say what he wants :2 cents: he's at the top
Actually the opposite is true. His position requires that he lead in the way that is best for the country, not the way he feels personally.

It is quite amazing that you do not understand why he should keep his mouth shut on the subject.

ead

tony286 07-12-2013 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19713110)
http://minerva5.files.wordpress.com/...cism-spot2.jpg

Don't even need sheets to spot the racists in this thread... :1orglaugh :upsidedow :helpme

If you listen to what Obama said on this matter, back on March 23rd (in answer to a question at a press conference), the President merely stated that he has empathy for any parent that has had a child killed by gun violence, and that they should expect that the case would be fully reviewed, and tried if the DA felt that a trial was necessary.

Mentioning that Trayvon might look like his son if he had a son, was simply Obama pointing out that Trayvon Martin could have been anyone's son, even his, but apparently to closed/warped minds, it meant something entirely different. :disgust

:stoned

ADG
thank you and none of these people had a problem when a president actually did get involved in a federal court action Terri Schiavo. Bush cut a trip short to sign legislation to prevent her feeding tube from being taken out. Now thats over stepping.Not the press asking you a question and saying you feel sorry for the parents of a dead child.

dyna mo 07-12-2013 07:21 AM
:stoned....

dyna mo 07-12-2013 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19713835)
thank you and none of these people had a problem when a president actually did get involved in a federal court action Terri Schiavo. Bush cut a trip short to sign legislation to prevent her feeding tube from being taken out. Now thats over stepping.Not the press asking you a question and saying you feel sorry for the parents of a dead child.
you know where i stood on the terry schiavo case? really? go on.

dyna mo 07-12-2013 07:38 AM
100 anti obama racists.

L-Pink 07-12-2013 07:48 AM
The story hit yahoo today.

"Did the Justice Department incite the 2012 Trayvon Martin protests?"

… "has obtained documents in response to local, state, and federal records requests revealing that a little-known unit of the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Community Relations Service (CRS), was deployed to Sanford, Fla., following the Trayvon Martin shooting to help organize and manage rallies and protests against George Zimmerman."


http://news.yahoo.com/did-justice-de...092500452.html


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dyna mo 07-12-2013 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19713974)
The story hit yahoo today.

"Did the Justice Department incite the 2012 Trayvon Martin protests?"

? "has obtained documents in response to local, state, and federal records requests revealing that a little-known unit of the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Community Relations Service (CRS), was deployed to Sanford, Fla., following the Trayvon Martin shooting to help organize and manage rallies and protests against George Zimmerman."


http://news.yahoo.com/did-justice-de...092500452.html





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you racist you. :mad:

TheSquealer 07-12-2013 07:57 AM
These stories NEVER get anything close to the attention they would if there was a republican president. As usual, it will get a few scattered mentions here and there and fade quickly until more conservative media outlets just start pounding on the story. Then everyone will be talking about how those conservative networks are crazy... not about justice, the legal process and making it better for all.

_Richard_ 07-12-2013 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19713974)
The story hit yahoo today.

"Did the Justice Department incite the 2012 Trayvon Martin protests?"

? "has obtained documents in response to local, state, and federal records requests revealing that a little-known unit of the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Community Relations Service (CRS), was deployed to Sanford, Fla., following the Trayvon Martin shooting to help organize and manage rallies and protests against George Zimmerman."


http://news.yahoo.com/did-justice-de...092500452.html


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is this some throwback from the 50-60s? so someone set up a federal program to help ferment social change within extremely racist areas?

brassmonkey 07-12-2013 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19713280)
The suspects in the Zimmerman case? There was only one and he looks kind of Caucasian but is Hispanic. I'm pretty well versed with the details of the case. I think he should probably get manslaughter since that's been allowed in as a lesser charge (although it carries the same penalty.. but the jury doesn't get told that, so might not know it).

As for drug testing.. I have no idea. I expect to be drug tested if I apply for a job at Sears, but probably not if I shoot someone. Don't ask me to understand it.
suspects that "always get away"

Captain Kawaii 07-12-2013 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19713239)
Or possibly paranoid delusions... :winkwink:

I did not follow the trial closely. It sounds like Zimmerman was well represented. Now it will be for a jury to decide.


http://oliviaacole.files.wordpress.c...von-martin.jpg

:stoned

ADG
Please show us some pics from 2012 and not 2009. :upsidedow You know, the cool "Gangsta" ones. I'm waiting on the jury as well.

tony286 07-12-2013 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19713940)
you know where i stood on the terry schiavo case? really? go on.
You had a post on it back then please show. I have no problem being proven wrong.

Captain Kawaii 07-12-2013 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19713974)
The story hit yahoo today.

"Did the Justice Department incite the 2012 Trayvon Martin protests?"

? "has obtained documents in response to local, state, and federal records requests revealing that a little-known unit of the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Community Relations Service (CRS), was deployed to Sanford, Fla., following the Trayvon Martin shooting to help organize and manage rallies and protests against George Zimmerman."


http://news.yahoo.com/did-justice-de...092500452.html


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Wow, straight out of the ZioNazi playbook. :upsidedow


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