Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19692908)

and it's laughable that you think that somehow you get the good news and just because i live here i don't and my view is sanitized. i'd be very surprised if anyone not trolling would say i come across as uninformed.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19692908)

i stopped being proud for a nation years ago, just because i randomly happened to be born in-between some dashed lines on a map really doesn't account for much in the thick of things.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19692908)

i travel as well, i don't get into the where are you from and what do you do for a living banter but when asked i have zero problems saying i am an american and i've not encountered any issues *admitting* that. not discounting your experiences, whatever works for you, just sharing mine as well.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19692266)

We would be anyone from a country other than Russia or China; you know, the countries that are not enabling the government from killing their civilians

Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 19693304)

Do you really think that the so called "rebels" are not killing civilians? They post videos of beheadings just like the other shitheads before them... every story has two coins, but I agree with most of the psoters here - the US should not intervene, the sad part is that the UN is total useless bitch and won't do nothing either.

Just sitting by and watching thousands of people getting killed - not really a solution, we all saw how that played out in Rwanda, hopefully the World will come up with a better form of policing real soon - drop a huge international army that stops all the bloodshed and the country that has caused all the shit should foot the bill.

If the US intervenes now, then all the Americans will pay for it with nothing to gain

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19693339)

This is not America's, Russia's, or the EU's war to fight.

Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 19691886)

Good question. Morsi insists that his govt is democratic, yet he had consistently oppressed his own people so in practice he's pretty much full of it.

If the people are fighting for real freedom and not religious ideology then they have reason, but as you are probably well aware, the middle east is by and large one big hornet's nest buzzing with some of the most fanatical and dangerous elements on the planet.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19693259)

That's not what I meant. It's not just about news, it's about everything that makes the country what it is. There is a reason 64% of Americans repeatedly say the USA is the greatest country on earth, yet they don't have a passport and have nothing to compare it to. It is because their entire life they have lived in a propaganda bubble. And even for those with a passport, a 7 day holiday in Mexico or France doesn't count.



Huge Kudos for that realization. National pride is silly. Each and every one of us could have just as easily been born in Sri Lanka, but by sheer luck we were born elsewhere. Though, I do hope theking is reincarnated and is reborn in Calcutta. :upsidedow

What is it they say, fight for your planet, not your country. :thumbsup



Eh, that's not the same. It's great you travel and see things outside of your borders, but living outside of those borders 365 days a year and living among people not catering to tourists, is a different experience. Tourists always see sunshine and rainbows, as they are supposed to. Nothing wrong with that, but it's just a holiday and everyone there is paid to make your stay pleasant. You want a wake up call, go hitch hike across Indonesia or India. Tell them you're from Canada and sit back and wait for the US bashing to begin.

I don't consider myself American anymore other than the fact they still own me, as I still have my passport for the moment. But I am now an outsider looking in at America, instead of just an American living abroad. Look here on GFY at all the Europeans and Canadians who jab at the US. It's for a reason, and usually justified. It's just incredibly difficult to support a murderous war machine who kidnaps and tortures people and holds them without charge, while spying on their own citizens, authorizing drone strikes, bailing out banks and big business while people suffer and lose their homes, while the homeless increase in record numbers on the street. At the same time they keep building prisons, dress the police in military gear and give them war wagons, confiscate weapons during emergencies, grope children at the airport, and generally exert overwhelming force for just about everything. Sorry, I can't support any of that. That's just not who I am or what I want to be part of. That isn't what the USA was supposed to be.

I'm not comparing the USA to North Korea, so don't take this as such, but when North Koreans defect, they have to go through 6 months of re-education in South Korea before they can be set free with the rest of the people. They have been propagandized since birth and don't really know what is true, what is false, what is real, what is not. They have to re-learn everything. On a much, much smaller scale, and through their own realization, the same thing happens to many US expats after they are gone long enough. You're obviously on the right path and you question a lot of things already, so I have no doubt you would be one of those guys if you moved out, and would see your country with new eyes after a few years. And chances are, your POV wouldn't be a pretty one.

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash (Post 19693637)

Saddam killed innocent kurdish civilians with Kemicles

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 19693808)

is anyone here aware that there would be no war in Syria if it was not fueled from outside?

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 19693808)

is anyone here aware that there would be no war in Syria if it was not fueled from outside?