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Rich · 02-26-2003, 01:51 AM

first line of their tos:

"PIBCash owned/operated by Syndicated Audio Text, we reserve the right to terminate any account at anytime without notice. "

Good to know they can decided to keep my money at any time.

So, who can recommend a better PPS program?

psyko514 · 02-26-2003, 01:52 AM

Every single sponsor has that in their terms as far as I'm concerned.

They don't just randomly terminate accounts. But they reserve the right to do so without informing you (for example, if you were caught cheating).

BluMedia · 02-26-2003, 01:53 AM

I agree show me a sponsor that does not have that.

Mark

gothweb · 02-26-2003, 01:53 AM

Seems pretty standard. See, it saves a sponsor for having to prove they had a good reason. Imagine worrying that every spammer, CP pusher, etc. could sue you for breach if you shut down their account!

vXS · 02-26-2003, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
first line of their tos:

"PIBCash owned/operated by Syndicated Audio Text, we reserve the right to terminate any account at anytime without notice. "

Good to know they can decided to keep my money at any time.

So, who can recommend a better PPS program?

?

First Terms page you have ever read?

Every one I have ever read has that on there in some form....

psyko514 · 02-26-2003, 02:01 AM

From Pornbucks terms:
"AEROWEB may terminate the license grated herein at any time, with or without cause;"

CECash:
"You agree that this license can be terminated or revoked at any time for any reason, or for no reason"

Rich · 02-26-2003, 02:08 AM

Most that I have read also have a line that says accounts cancelled for no reason will be paid, pibcash does not.

psyko514 · 02-26-2003, 02:10 AM

The only reason they would cancel your account would be for cheating. And if they were to do so, why would they pay you?

Are you planning on cheating the program, and you don't want to use them because they won't pay you?

Rich · 02-26-2003, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by BluMedia
I agree show me a sponsor that does not have that.

Mark

From Intense Cash:

"BluMedia, Inc. reserves the right to terminate this agreement at any time, for any reason without advance notification. If this occurs, BluMedia, Inc. will notify you by e-mail immediately and will pay you for all Commisions achieved to that point in time, except in cases where BluMedia, Inc. found that you violated this Agreement in any manner. Upon termination of your account with the program you must immediately remove all BluMedia banners from your site/s."

That's acceptable.

Rich · 02-26-2003, 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by psyko514
The only reason they would cancel your account would be for cheating. And if they were to do so, why would they pay you?

Are you planning on cheating the program, and you don't want to use them because they won't pay you?

Nope, maybe it's the casino webmaster in me, but I like a clear TOS. Their site doesn't say they'll withhold my money if I cheat, obviously no one objects to that. I'm not saying they're going to, but with those terms, they can just decide to cancel any/all affiliate accounts and not be help legally responsible to pay. Look at the TOS I posted above from Intense Cash, that's all I'm looking for.

psyko514 · 02-26-2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by Rich

From Intense Cash:

"BluMedia, Inc. reserves the right to terminate this agreement at any time, for any reason without advance notification. If this occurs, BluMedia, Inc. will notify you by e-mail immediately and will pay you for all Commisions achieved to that point in time, except in cases where BluMedia, Inc. found that you violated this Agreement in any manner. Upon termination of your account with the program you must immediately remove all BluMedia banners from your site/s."

That's acceptable.

Fact is this: honest, established, reputable, respected sponsors will not just cancel your account for the fun of it. but they reserve the legal right to do it, whether or not they put it in the terms and conditions.

the only reason they would cancel an account is if you were caught cheating. and you don't deserve what you've earned if that's the case?

are you afraid that you'll rack up a few sales with them and that they'll cancel your account in order to make a few extra bucks?

are you a conspiracy theorist too? are they watching you right now?

ChrisH · 02-26-2003, 02:21 AM

If your not guilty why worry?

Man is that a fucked up statement

Rich · 02-26-2003, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514

Fact is this: honest, established, reputable, respected sponsors will not just cancel your account for the fun of it. but they reserve the legal right to do it, whether or not they put it in the terms and conditions.

the only reason they would cancel an account is if you were caught cheating. and you don't deserve what you've earned if that's the case?

are you afraid that you'll rack up a few sales with them and that they'll cancel your account in order to make a few extra bucks?

are you a conspiracy theorist too? are they watching you right now?

Terrible, terrible points. Sorry, but it's true. Some people send more than "a few sales", and like to have a little assurance. I know a TOS won't help much if a sponsors goes under, but signing off your right to demand your money would be shitty if things ever did have to go to court or some bs. Someone being an "honest, established, reputable, respected sponsor" means dick to me, I've seen a lot of people bigger than them go to shit. Plus I'm not sure I'd even call pibcash those things, from my knowledge. You say the only reason a sponsors would shut down an account is if you're cheating, lol, psyko514 you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. In fact I believe at least one of the companies behind that program (mogul networks) has shut down affiliate programs before. Not saying the owe money, just saying accounts have been shut down. I'm not badmouthing anyone here, just stating my

. There's nothing wrong with wanting a proper TOS, walk away from this thread man you have no point.

psyko514 · 02-26-2003, 02:39 AM

Can anyone name me a reputable sponsor that closed a revenue-earning account without a reason, and refused to pay out what was earned?

psyko514 · 02-26-2003, 02:42 AM

Anyways, regardless of what the terms and conditions say, they aren't really worth shit. A good majority of sponsors don't even have terms and conditions anymore.

You're stating I have no point? What was your point in starting this thread? Did you think we all give a damn who you choose not to promote and why you choose not to promote them? Or are you trying to stir up shit for PIB and scuff up their name?

Do you think they'll change their terms just for you because you started this thread?

gothweb · 02-26-2003, 02:45 AM

If you are worried about the terms, remember that if they cut you off, you can come here and post all you want about how they fucked you. Accountability like that makes a little difference, at least...

XxXotic · 02-26-2003, 02:46 AM

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Originally posted by Rich
Most that I have read also have a line that says accounts cancelled for no reason will be paid, pibcash does not.

hahaah no they don't. why the fuck would they terminate AND pay you? that's one of the dumbest things ive ever heard i think

Loch · 02-26-2003, 03:06 AM

I know some of the guys/gals behind PIB Cash, well i would trust them all the way with this one thats for sure.

Rich · 02-26-2003, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
Can anyone name me a reputable sponsor that closed a revenue-earning account without a reason, and refused to pay out what was earned?

Any affiliate program that has closed its doors. I can think of a couple, if you can't, that's your problem.

Quote:

Originally posted by XxXotic
hahaah no they don't. why the fuck would they terminate AND pay you? that's one of the dumbest things ive ever heard i think

If a reputable sponsor shuts down the program you're in, or even something like they don't like your conversion from trial rate, they'll pay you for traffic you've sent. I'm not saying pib cash won't, I'm just saying according to the terms you legally agree to when you sign up with them, they don't have to.

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
If you are worried about the terms, remember that if they cut you off, you can come here and post all you want about how they fucked you. Accountability like that makes a little difference, at least...

If I get screwed out of a lot of money, what do I care about what they look like on a message board? I'd rather avoid any possible situation with a good set of terms.

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
Anyways, regardless of what the terms and conditions say, they aren't really worth shit. A good majority of sponsors don't even have terms and conditions anymore.

haha, if you'd join a sponsor who doesn't have a TOS you're one stupid mother fucker.

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514

You're stating I have no point? What was your point in starting this thread? Did you think we all give a damn who you choose not to promote and why you choose not to promote them? Or are you trying to stir up shit for PIB and scuff up their name?

Do you think they'll change their terms just for you because you started this thread?

Learn to read, my post here was to find a better PPS sponsor.

Please, from now on anyone who doesn't know their head from their ass please stop posting in this thread.

notjoe · 02-26-2003, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by Rich

Please, from now on anyone who doesn't know their head from their ass please stop posting in this thread.

Good luck on that. Mostly everyone has their heads up their ass , or atleast up another persons ass, depends on how much ass kissing is involved.

Tam · 02-26-2003, 05:57 AM

Ok, first off let me start by thanking you for the promotion here, regardless of why you started this thread, which is still a little confusing to me, you have given us some pretty good promotion from it. So for that I owe you a huge thanks.

Ok, I am going to try and set things as clear as I can here so bare with me a bit......

1) Syndicated Audio Text has been paying webmasters on time since 1996, no I have not been with them that long, but I did my homework before signing on as part of their Staff, and not ONE person said to me that they were dishonest or that they wouldn't pay me, in fact, quite the opposite. PIBCash.com may not have been around that long, but other programs have and there has never been a problem with anyone getting paid as long as they followed our rules, of which are pretty much the same as any other sponsor.

2) Mogule Networks is not "behind" PIBCash.com in any way at all. What they do is give us the oppotunity to give their Lotto Sites to our Affiliates. That is the end of their being "behind" us as you call it here. Let me add that I have also known these guys for a very long time and have never known them to cancel an account for no reason, but that isn't my concern or my issue here. If we didn't trust them or vice versa, then this wouldn't be in place. Furthermore, they have their rules on the Lotto Sites and we have ours on PIBCash.com and neither are going to interfere with the other, they are two seperate entities if you will.

3) I suppose we could have made a 3 page Terms of Service, but why? Are you going to read it faster if we make it 3 pages long? Nahh, I don't think you would. Are you going to break the rules faster if I make them shorter versus longer? Nahh, I don't think you will. So I really don't see the issue behind a long or short TOS. Could it be that is the only thing you could find to complain about our Program on without having tried to promote it? Likely this answer would be yes.

4) I have no problem with anyone who has a legitimate complaint and in fact in my 4 years in the Adult Industry, I have been known to bend over backwards to HELP webmasters, as has the man behind Syndicated Audio Text. At the same time, I do tend to hold a little issue for AFFILIATES who just want to make trouble for no reason whatsoever. In as much as you have YOUR butt to protect, we Sponsors have ours, and I don't know of one Sponsor who is not going to have a clause in their Terms to protect them from cheaters, spammers, cp, and anything else they deem to be cheating, which is pretty much an even playing field on ANY sponsor you intend to use. Rules are pretty standard with most I have seen, just some word it this way and some word it that way. That's the variation.

Don't say the food is bad if you haven't even tried it is what I try to live by on just about anything I do, and this is the advice I'd give you. Pick it wisely, yes, but don't say it tastes bad if you never tasted it.

If you don't want to use our program, this is all fine and good and I am cool with this, not every program is going to suit everyone's needs, and this is fine. I have been known to help people find a new Sponsor program if ours isn't working for them even, but if you aren't using my program and have never used it, please don't say it is bad or that you don't trust it because you are giving an opinion when you haven't tried it yet and this isn't exactly professional. If you expect a Sponsor to be professional, then it would be really nice if you acted professional as well.

boneprone · 02-26-2003, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich

Good to know they can decided to keep my money at any time.

So, who can recommend a better PPS program?

Jesus Dialer!!
We will never cancel you!!

Even if you cheat!!

If you cant trust Jesus, who can you trust?

Sharky · 02-26-2003, 07:42 AM

For the record, I have done thousands of dollars of business with PIB cash and have never had a problem! Rconn is one of the genuine good guys in this industry. I send them plenty of traffic without worry.. of course, I don't cheat!

:-)

Phoenix · 02-26-2003, 07:42 AM

I think you should give them a chance...get in touch with your rep there and develop a rapport...you will not be shut out.

Sly_RJ · 02-26-2003, 09:37 AM

Rich, what are you looking for in your sponsor? Which niche? What payout?

Give another thought to PIB Cash, I hear ToniFreeland.com is on fire.

Tam · 02-26-2003, 11:03 AM

Thanks Pheonix and Sly...... your support means alot......

AaronM · 02-26-2003, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Rich, what are you looking for in your sponsor? Which niche? What payout?

Give another thought to PIB Cash, I hear ToniFreeland.com is on fire.

Yep...sure is. That is because I dump gas on it everyday.

Rich...I understand your point and although I personally know you have nothing to worry about as long as you play by the rules, I will add a suggestion of adding a similar statement to our TOS.

Give us a shot....I think you will be pleased.

Peace

AaronM · 02-26-2003, 01:12 PM

Hey Rich...We have just changed the TOS to state the following:

"PIBCash owned/operated by Syndicated Audio Text, We reserve the right to close any account that is suspected of fraudulent activity. We also reserve the right to withhold payment from any webmaster suspected of participating in fraudulent activity."

I hope this helps reassure you of our intentions.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Aaron

baddog · 02-26-2003, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
Hey Rich...We have just changed the TOS to state the following:

"PIBCash owned/operated by Syndicated Audio Text, We reserve the right to close any account that is suspected of fraudulent activity. We also reserve the right to withhold payment from any webmaster suspected of participating in fraudulent activity."

I hope this helps reassure you of our intentions.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Aaron

Damn, that is what I call service, change the TOS on the spot the eliminate confusion. Well done. You are starting to remind me of me.

SleazyDream · 02-26-2003, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
first line of their tos:

"PIBCash owned/operated by Syndicated Audio Text, we reserve the right to terminate any account at anytime without notice. "

Good to know they can decided to keep my money at any time.

So, who can recommend a better PPS program?

they forgot to add "...any account for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER INCLUDING IF WE JUST FEEL LIKE IT..." to that statement.

Rich · 02-26-2003, 01:24 PM

Thanks Aaron, I didin't start this thread with the intertion of insulting your program, and I hope it didn't seem that way. That change to your TOS is exactly what I'm talking about, to me it just makes things a little more certain. I know you're not going to withhold anyone's money for no reason, maybe it's the Casino webmaster in me, but I like to have a nice legal agreement in place.

lol, ok one more thing I gotta say on this thread.

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514

You're stating I have no point? What was your point in starting this thread? Did you think we all give a damn who you choose not to promote and why you choose not to promote them? Or are you trying to stir up shit for PIB and scuff up their name?

Do you think they'll change their terms just for you because you started this thread?

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
Hey Rich...We have just changed the TOS to state the following:

"PIBCash owned/operated by Syndicated Audio Text, We reserve the right to close any account that is suspected of fraudulent activity. We also reserve the right to withhold payment from any webmaster suspected of participating in fraudulent activity."

I hope this helps reassure you of our intentions.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Aaron

haa haa

Fletch XXX · 02-26-2003, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
Can anyone name me a reputable sponsor that closed a revenue-earning account without a reason, and refused to pay out what was earned?

Click Cash.

ZoiNk · 02-26-2003, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
Can anyone name me a reputable sponsor that closed a revenue-earning account without a reason, and refused to pay out what was earned?

Platinumbucks.
ZoiNk

AaronM · 02-26-2003, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
Thanks Aaron, I didin't start this thread with the intertion of insulting your program, and I hope it didn't seem that way. That change to your TOS is exactly what I'm talking about, to me it just makes things a little more certain. I know you're not going to withhold anyone's money for no reason, maybe it's the Casino webmaster in me, but I like to have a nice legal agreement in place.

No problem man. It's all good.

baddog · 02-26-2003, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich

In fact I believe at least one of the companies behind that program (mogul networks) has shut down affiliate programs before.

okay, as Tam said, we are not affiliated with PIBCash, and secondly, any programs that have ever been terminated by us would only be closed if they were not profitable. Also, anyone that had monies due them would have been paid.

Rich · 02-27-2003, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog

okay, as Tam said, we are not affiliated with PIBCash, and secondly, any programs that have ever been terminated by us would only be closed if they were not profitable. Also, anyone that had monies due them would have been paid.

Who said otherwize? All I said is that legitimate affiliate programs do shut down, and I like to see the TOS say that if that happens, affiliates will be paid.

AaronM · 02-27-2003, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich

Who said otherwize? All I said is that legitimate affiliate programs do shut down, and I like to see the TOS say that if that happens, affiliates will be paid.

Did I mention that ToniFreeland.com is on fire right now?

psyko514 · 02-27-2003, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich

lol, ok one more thing I gotta say on this thread.

haa haa

you got me there. this is a rare time when i admit defeat.

AaronM · 02-27-2003, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514

you got me there. this is a rare time when i admit defeat.

ah...It was a valid remark. Most sponsors would not give a rats ass about a thread like this.

Sometimes it pays to go with the smaller guys.

stocktrader23 · 02-27-2003, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
Thanks Aaron, I didin't start this thread with the intertion of insulting your program, and I hope it didn't seem that way. That change to your TOS is exactly what I'm talking about, to me it just makes things a little more certain. I know you're not going to withhold anyone's money for no reason, maybe it's the Casino webmaster in me, but I like to have a nice legal agreement in place.

lol, ok one more thing I gotta say on this thread.

haa haa

Now that is what I call funny.

WiredGuy · 02-27-2003, 02:31 AM

It's quite a scary condition but let's put it this way. If you are making legitimate signups and the sponsor is making money, it is in both your interests to ensure you get paid. If your not paid, you'll stop promoting them and they'll lose you as a webmaster. So, as long as its a win-win situation for both of you, there will be no problems. Obviously you bear some risk of not getting paid, but so does your sponsor for not making money on you. So your both taking a risk but as long as your signups are good quality, both of you should be alright.

WG

baddog · 02-27-2003, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Did I mention that ToniFreeland.com is on fire right now?

yes, I believe you attributed it to the fact that you dump gas on it everyday

AaronM · 02-27-2003, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog

yes, I believe you attributed it to the fact that you dump gas on it everyday

Yep... Just dumped a few gallons on it 15 minutes ago with the latest update.

baddog · 02-28-2003, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Yep... Just dumped a few gallons on it 15 minutes ago with the latest update.

well, I just got done driving up and down the State of California, that can be a pretty heavy investment depending on where you get your gas

FlyingIguana · 02-28-2003, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
Hey Rich...We have just changed the TOS to state the following:

"PIBCash owned/operated by Syndicated Audio Text, We reserve the right to close any account that is suspected of fraudulent activity. We also reserve the right to withhold payment from any webmaster suspected of participating in fraudulent activity."

I hope this helps reassure you of our intentions.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Aaron

i think thats a perfect way of putting it

Rich · 02-28-2003, 09:52 PM

I figured this would turn into a thread of people spamming me with pps sponsors, but it turned out to be pretty damn funny. And not a single ref code.

Snake Doctor · 02-28-2003, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
It's quite a scary condition but let's put it this way. If you are making legitimate signups and the sponsor is making money, it is in both your interests to ensure you get paid. If your not paid, you'll stop promoting them and they'll lose you as a webmaster. So, as long as its a win-win situation for both of you, there will be no problems. Obviously you bear some risk of not getting paid, but so does your sponsor for not making money on you. So your both taking a risk but as long as your signups are good quality, both of you should be alright.

WG

For the most part that's true, but as a webmaster you still have to watch your ass.
Busty Amateurs had a similar TOS to the one Rich was complaining about, and they used to can people all the time (I think it was a power trip, just to say that they did it, like when they closed greenguy's account) and that was a 50/50 program, so they weren't losing money on anyone's traffic.

02-26-2003, 01:51 AM	#1
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	I was thinking about promoting pibcash.com, but... first line of their tos: "PIBCash owned/operated by Syndicated Audio Text, we reserve the right to terminate any account at anytime without notice. " Good to know they can decided to keep my money at any time. So, who can recommend a better PPS program?

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psyko514 See sig. Join Epic Cash. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec. ICQ: 214702014 Posts: 22,366	Every single sponsor has that in their terms as far as I'm concerned. They don't just randomly terminate accounts. But they reserve the right to do so without informing you (for example, if you were caught cheating). __________________ Bad Girl Bucks - 50% Revshare through CCBill. Promote BrandyDDD, Pixie's Pillows, Action Allie and more! Phoenix Forum Pics \| Webmaster Access Montreal pics email: psyko514(a)gmail.com \| icq: 214-702-014

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Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Most that I have read also have a line that says accounts cancelled for no reason will be paid, pibcash does not.

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psyko514 See sig. Join Epic Cash. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec. ICQ: 214702014 Posts: 22,366	Anyways, regardless of what the terms and conditions say, they aren't really worth shit. A good majority of sponsors don't even have terms and conditions anymore. You're stating I have no point? What was your point in starting this thread? Did you think we all give a damn who you choose not to promote and why you choose not to promote them? Or are you trying to stir up shit for PIB and scuff up their name? Do you think they'll change their terms just for you because you started this thread? __________________ Bad Girl Bucks - 50% Revshare through CCBill. Promote BrandyDDD, Pixie's Pillows, Action Allie and more! Phoenix Forum Pics \| Webmaster Access Montreal pics email: psyko514(a)gmail.com \| icq: 214-702-014

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Loch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7,674	I know some of the guys/gals behind PIB Cash, well i would trust them all the way with this one thats for sure. __________________ Contact us for Beta store access (4000 HD/SD productions) - Editing - Encoding/Post production ICQ - 277 862 930 E-mail casper /@/ cool-content.com

02-26-2003, 05:57 AM	#21
Tam Rude Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,492	Ok, first off let me start by thanking you for the promotion here, regardless of why you started this thread, which is still a little confusing to me, you have given us some pretty good promotion from it. So for that I owe you a huge thanks. Ok, I am going to try and set things as clear as I can here so bare with me a bit...... 1) Syndicated Audio Text has been paying webmasters on time since 1996, no I have not been with them that long, but I did my homework before signing on as part of their Staff, and not ONE person said to me that they were dishonest or that they wouldn't pay me, in fact, quite the opposite. PIBCash.com may not have been around that long, but other programs have and there has never been a problem with anyone getting paid as long as they followed our rules, of which are pretty much the same as any other sponsor. 2) Mogule Networks is not "behind" PIBCash.com in any way at all. What they do is give us the oppotunity to give their Lotto Sites to our Affiliates. That is the end of their being "behind" us as you call it here. Let me add that I have also known these guys for a very long time and have never known them to cancel an account for no reason, but that isn't my concern or my issue here. If we didn't trust them or vice versa, then this wouldn't be in place. Furthermore, they have their rules on the Lotto Sites and we have ours on PIBCash.com and neither are going to interfere with the other, they are two seperate entities if you will. 3) I suppose we could have made a 3 page Terms of Service, but why? Are you going to read it faster if we make it 3 pages long? Nahh, I don't think you would. Are you going to break the rules faster if I make them shorter versus longer? Nahh, I don't think you will. So I really don't see the issue behind a long or short TOS. Could it be that is the only thing you could find to complain about our Program on without having tried to promote it? Likely this answer would be yes. 4) I have no problem with anyone who has a legitimate complaint and in fact in my 4 years in the Adult Industry, I have been known to bend over backwards to HELP webmasters, as has the man behind Syndicated Audio Text. At the same time, I do tend to hold a little issue for AFFILIATES who just want to make trouble for no reason whatsoever. In as much as you have YOUR butt to protect, we Sponsors have ours, and I don't know of one Sponsor who is not going to have a clause in their Terms to protect them from cheaters, spammers, cp, and anything else they deem to be cheating, which is pretty much an even playing field on ANY sponsor you intend to use. Rules are pretty standard with most I have seen, just some word it this way and some word it that way. That's the variation. Don't say the food is bad if you haven't even tried it is what I try to live by on just about anything I do, and this is the advice I'd give you. Pick it wisely, yes, but don't say it tastes bad if you never tasted it. If you don't want to use our program, this is all fine and good and I am cool with this, not every program is going to suit everyone's needs, and this is fine. I have been known to help people find a new Sponsor program if ours isn't working for them even, but if you aren't using my program and have never used it, please don't say it is bad or that you don't trust it because you are giving an opinion when you haven't tried it yet and this isn't exactly professional. If you expect a Sponsor to be professional, then it would be really nice if you acted professional as well. __________________ Get in Touch on Telegram if you need a hardworker - (since 1999)

02-26-2003, 07:42 AM	#23
Sharky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,938	For the record, I have done thousands of dollars of business with PIB cash and have never had a problem! Rconn is one of the genuine good guys in this industry. I send them plenty of traffic without worry.. of course, I don't cheat! :-) __________________ Sharky

02-26-2003, 07:42 AM	#24
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,462	I think you should give them a chance...get in touch with your rep there and develop a rapport...you will not be shut out. __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

02-26-2003, 09:37 AM	#25
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Rich, what are you looking for in your sponsor? Which niche? What payout? Give another thought to PIB Cash, I hear ToniFreeland.com is on fire. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

02-26-2003, 11:03 AM	#26
Tam Rude Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,492	Thanks Pheonix and Sly...... your support means alot...... __________________ Get in Touch on Telegram if you need a hardworker - (since 1999)

02-26-2003, 01:12 PM	#28
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Hey Rich...We have just changed the TOS to state the following: "PIBCash owned/operated by Syndicated Audio Text, We reserve the right to close any account that is suspected of fraudulent activity. We also reserve the right to withhold payment from any webmaster suspected of participating in fraudulent activity." I hope this helps reassure you of our intentions. Thanks for bringing this up. Aaron

02-27-2003, 02:31 AM	#41
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,486	It's quite a scary condition but let's put it this way. If you are making legitimate signups and the sponsor is making money, it is in both your interests to ensure you get paid. If your not paid, you'll stop promoting them and they'll lose you as a webmaster. So, as long as its a win-win situation for both of you, there will be no problems. Obviously you bear some risk of not getting paid, but so does your sponsor for not making money on you. So your both taking a risk but as long as your signups are good quality, both of you should be alright. WG __________________ I play with Google.

02-28-2003, 09:52 PM	#46
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	I figured this would turn into a thread of people spamming me with pps sponsors, but it turned out to be pretty damn funny. And not a single ref code.