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tony286 06-14-2013 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19670263)
i guess i misread that you wrote this is not whistle blowing.

but from the article you cited, things did in fact change

No then they changed it again with the patriot act. its all the same.

dyna mo 06-14-2013 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19670285)
No then they changed it again with the patriot act. its all the same.

and that's why it is important again now.

PhoneSexKing 06-14-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19669619)
canada too eh.

Yeah, the CSE... :321GFY

Rob 06-14-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19668399)
character properly assassinated?

guess they're saving the homosexual tranny binge for later

Bingo! That was exactly my thought. Pass him off as a low level no body and take away his credibility.

Captain Kawaii 06-14-2013 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19669615)
moreover, he says categorically that the nsa is afraid of contract labor. it's well-documented they spend 80% of their budget on contract labor.

that fully discounts his view imo.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Captain Kawaii 06-14-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19670139)
But that's already happening. The Internet has figured out that I owned a Jaguar and went to Hawaii. What the Internet hasn't figured out is that I sold the Jaguar, bought a new Jeep, and I'm looking to go to Italy.

Watch your back. You just told the interwebs...:winkwink:

I hear you. However, so does the NSA and many more organizations we know nothing about.
I want to go to Italy too.

pornguy 06-14-2013 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19668399)
character properly assassinated?

guess they're saving the homosexual tranny binge for later

Nahhh. Im releasing those videos soon. :)

_Richard_ 06-14-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 19670779)
Nahhh. Im releasing those videos soon. :)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Uncle Sam wants to seeee

dyna mo 06-14-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19670618)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you usually don't do drive-by posts like this.

not sure what you are up to so i don't know how to reply, but hey, enjoy yourself!

stinkyfingers 06-14-2013 03:04 PM


Joe Obenberger 06-14-2013 04:17 PM

The Yahoo piece linked above reads like any classic smear. It's largely opinion, scarcely a hard fact in the article. It's tone is "likely" vs. "unlikely". An employer mentions a different salary amount - still hefty - and is silent about whether bonuses and incentives were also paid. Can't say that seems to amount to any slam-dunk impugning of Snowden. The article attempts to derail interest in what Snowden reveals and put the train into a track that implies more than it can actually say to damage him. Meanwhile, there are no official denials of anything he's told us. He's been interviewed at length and one gets an impression of substantial character and credibility.

Those in the high circles of power are afraid of Snowden and every part of their reaction to him tends to underline it. Snowden looks like the real deal. An honest, accurate, bright, and sincere man, a real Mr. Smith Goes To Washington kind of guy.

Seldom has American history pivoted more about one man than in these days.

What happens next will tell more about the character of the American people than it will about Snowden. My best guess is that a very large and significant part the Americans is in the mood for a real, genuine hero, that Snoweden inspires them, and that there will now come a reckoning like the FBI and IRS were put through in the wake of the Nixon presidency - and on a larger scale. It will become politically expedient for Congressmen and Senators to take the position that government intrusion has gone too far. Jim Sensenbrenner, a significant author of the Patriot Act - who occupies a very safe Republican seat in Wisconsin - is already there. (Remember also, he was axed as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee for asking too many questions and making too many waves for the Bush administration. Before you conclude he's any hero, though, remember that he was the chief agitator to get Section 2257 enforced and put the most pressure on John Ashcroft to start inspections and make annual compliance reports. After he lost his chairmanship, DOJ never filed another 2257 report as mandated by law.) The Europeans can be expected to keep the pressure on - for a long time they've considered the US to be out of control on privacy. A hard rain's going to fall.

livexxx 06-14-2013 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 19669455)
especially if this is the first big leak and Kunia is still misrepresented on Google maps, with the real entry obscured by a cloud.

Try Bing, if that is the same place, it has no cloud covering like the google map and everything is crystal clear. Guess it must be underground as there are far too many cars for those small buildings

http://binged.it/11G1H3O

No doubt he will end up locking himself inside a sports bag in the bath having kinky sex with himself alone....

regardless of his personal background , life history etc. no-one has disputed the powerpoint slides and there are still too many left to be presented. No doubt some newspapers are getting their balls felt at the moment as they haven't come out yet.

Joe Obenberger 06-14-2013 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by livexxx (Post 19671165)
Try Bing, if that is the same place, it has no cloud covering like the google map and everything is crystal clear. Guess it must be underground as there are far too many cars for those small buildings

http://binged.it/11G1H3O

No doubt he will end up locking himself inside a sports bag in the bath having kinky sex with himself alone....

regardless of his personal background , life history etc. no-one has disputed the powerpoint slides and there are still too many left to be presented. No doubt some newspapers are getting their balls felt at the moment as they haven't come out yet.

Actually, there have been comments addressed to the powerpoint slide show, claiming that real, authentic classified briefings don't include corporate logos in the heading. I have no idea whether that's true, but just set it out so that you know the attack on Snowden, quiet for now, is aimed at all bases.

dyna mo 06-14-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19671146)
The Yahoo piece linked above reads like any classic smear. It's largely opinion, scarcely a hard fact in the article. It's tone is "likely" vs. "unlikely". An employer mentions a different salary amount - still hefty - and is silent about whether bonuses and incentives were also paid. Can't say that seems to amount to any slam-dunk impugning of Snowden. The article attempts to derail interest in what Snowden reveals and put the train into a track that implies more than it can actually say to damage him. Meanwhile, there are no official denials of anything he's told us. He's been interviewed at length and one gets an impression of substantial character and credibility.

Those in the high circles of power are afraid of Snowden and every part of their reaction to him tends to underline it. Snowden looks like the real deal. An honest, accurate, bright, and sincere man, a real Mr. Smith Goes To Washington kind of guy.

Seldom has American history pivoted more about one man than in these days.

What happens next will tell more about the character of the American people than it will about Snowden. My best guess is that a very large and significant part the Americans is in the mood for a real, genuine hero, that Snoweden inspires them, and that there will now come a reckoning like the FBI and IRS were put through in the wake of the Nixon presidency - and on a larger scale. It will become politically expedient for Congressmen and Senators to take the position that government intrusion has gone too far. Jim Sensenbrenner, a significant author of the Patriot Act - who occupies a very safe Republican seat in Wisconsin - is already there. (Remember also, he was axed as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee for asking too many questions and making too many waves for the Bush administration. Before you conclude he's any hero, though, remember that he was the chief agitator to get Section 2257 enforced and put the most pressure on John Ashcroft to start inspections and make annual compliance reports. After he lost his chairmanship, DOJ never filed another 2257 report as mandated by law.) The Europeans can be expected to keep the pressure on - for a long time they've considered the US to be out of control on privacy. A hard rain's going to fall.

i see a lot of this too. i do think it is important to separate the man from the revealed information

not sure he is a hero.

PhoneSexKing 06-14-2013 05:01 PM

How to break out of PRISM... you can safely toss your soap on a rope

http://prism-break.org/

livexxx 06-14-2013 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19671172)
Actually, there have been comments addressed to the powerpoint slide show, claiming that real, authentic classified briefings don't include corporate logos in the heading. I have no idea whether that's true, but just set it out so that you know the attack on Snowden, quiet for now, is aimed at all bases.

I would have thought the easiest route would have been
"and we state that the powerpoint presentation and all the information within it is fantasy"

Just counted 850+ cars at that car park as well, and the tunnel entrance is top left on birds eye view, call me paranoid, but it looks just like stargate
:party-smi

_Richard_ 06-14-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19671146)
The Yahoo piece linked above reads like any classic smear. It's largely opinion, scarcely a hard fact in the article. It's tone is "likely" vs. "unlikely". An employer mentions a different salary amount - still hefty - and is silent about whether bonuses and incentives were also paid. Can't say that seems to amount to any slam-dunk impugning of Snowden. The article attempts to derail interest in what Snowden reveals and put the train into a track that implies more than it can actually say to damage him. Meanwhile, there are no official denials of anything he's told us. He's been interviewed at length and one gets an impression of substantial character and credibility.

Those in the high circles of power are afraid of Snowden and every part of their reaction to him tends to underline it. Snowden looks like the real deal. An honest, accurate, bright, and sincere man, a real Mr. Smith Goes To Washington kind of guy.

Seldom has American history pivoted more about one man than in these days.

What happens next will tell more about the character of the American people than it will about Snowden. My best guess is that a very large and significant part the Americans is in the mood for a real, genuine hero, that Snoweden inspires them, and that there will now come a reckoning like the FBI and IRS were put through in the wake of the Nixon presidency - and on a larger scale. It will become politically expedient for Congressmen and Senators to take the position that government intrusion has gone too far. Jim Sensenbrenner, a significant author of the Patriot Act - who occupies a very safe Republican seat in Wisconsin - is already there. (Remember also, he was axed as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee for asking too many questions and making too many waves for the Bush administration. Before you conclude he's any hero, though, remember that he was the chief agitator to get Section 2257 enforced and put the most pressure on John Ashcroft to start inspections and make annual compliance reports. After he lost his chairmanship, DOJ never filed another 2257 report as mandated by law.) The Europeans can be expected to keep the pressure on - for a long time they've considered the US to be out of control on privacy. A hard rain's going to fall.

yea was reading about the German angle in all this

should be interesting to see what comes up on the undernews

directfiesta 06-14-2013 05:11 PM

Beware of the 3 letters agencies .....

ICE, DEA, IRS, CIA, NSA, DOD, FBI, NRO, DHS, DOE, CID, ....

sarettah 06-14-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 19671216)
Beware of the 3 letters agencies .....

ICE, DEA, IRS, CIA, NSA, DOD, FBI, NRO, DHS, DOE, CID, ....



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Rochard 06-14-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19670232)
its not blowing a whistle when they have been doing since 1975 and you can find it in a simple google search. Back then it was telegrams also.

In the fall of 1975, when a Senate select committee chaired by Frank Church and a House committee chaired by Otis Pike were investigating abuses of power by the CIA and FBI, Congresswoman Bella Abzug, the loaded pistol from New York (she had introduced a resolution to impeach Richard Nixon on her first day in office in 1971) dared turned her own House Subcommittee on Government Information and Individual Rights to a new subject: the National Security Agency, and two twin government surveillance projects she had learned about codenamed ?SHAMROCK? and ?MINARET.? They had monitored both the phone calls and telegrams of American citizens for decades.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/174722...#axzz2WCq1iTqc
Read more: The NSA Doppelganger | The Nation http://www.thenation.com/blog/174722...#ixzz2WCq6is6y
Follow us: @thenation on Twitter | TheNationMagazine on Facebook

But you are missing the most important two facts here... Warrants are required, and none of this is targeting US citizens.

sperbonzo 06-15-2013 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19668480)
I have yet to see where the government was doing anything illegal.


Right on! Who needs that stupid 4th amendment anyway? There's no reason for any right to privacy! If we are REALLY going to get serious about this war on terror, we need to let the government put cameras inside all of our houses, and set up checkpoints on all roads to check ID and ask people where they are going and why.








.:helpme:helpme:helpme




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rowan 06-15-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 19669455)
Some VERY good points raised by former NSA telling it like it is..


The Future of the NSA

Jim Stone, June 10 2013, updated June 11

Forget the B.S. stories about Snowden, there is only ONE that applies and you will not hear about it in the press, which has protected the NSA with a great big white wash. Snowden worked out at Kunia. He had an extensive training program he had to go through before being allowed in. He HAD TO have been 99th percentile, the story about high school drop out is B.S, and so is the rest of the washing of his background. After hearing his conscience out at Kunia, he left Hawaii, defected, and told the truth.

[...]

continued ..lots more here

The excerpt you posted sounds plausible until you read the rest of the stuff on that page. For example, he claims that current Intel CPUs will record conversations, and secretly transmit them via the cellular network to the NSA, even with the computer switched off.

_Richard_ 06-15-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19671441)
But you are missing the most important two facts here... Warrants are required, and none of this is targeting US citizens.

except all those guys who got renditioned and tortured?

'oops'

PhoneSexKing 06-15-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoneSexKing (Post 19668749)
Nah. They don't have to put in backdoors. (I suppose they can turn a blind eye to discovered holes.)

(Yes, I'm quoting myself.)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-of-firms.html

"Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), the world?s largest software company, provides intelligence agencies with information about bugs in its popular software before it publicly releases a fix, according to two people familiar with the process. That information can be used to protect government computers and to access the computers of terrorists or military foes."

Man I'm good... :1orglaugh

Joshua G 06-15-2013 01:45 PM

privacy is dead. its not even the government i'm worried about. the telecoms, search engines, the people selling your personal info...those are the snakes in the grass.

this morning i installed apples time capsule router. i just know everything i'm doing is being stored in a dbase somewhere in a basement in cupertino. may as well just have the NSA visit my house & install a bug...then again, i did it for them.

PhoneSexKing 06-15-2013 02:05 PM

The 'snakes in the grass' are easy to solve. Stop supporting them financially. Perhaps it is not too late to take that Crapple device back to the store. :2 cents:

Captain Kawaii 06-15-2013 02:16 PM

Pretty cool and gutsy woman.
Check her out

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/filmmaker-...065321681.html

on a different note, be aware of the cable company showing up to say they need to fix a problem. When you didn't call. I have personal experience.

Dcat 06-15-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoneSexKing (Post 19671202)
How to break out of PRISM... you can safely toss your soap on a rope

http://prism-break.org/

Nice linky! :thumbsup

Dcat 06-15-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 19671854)
The excerpt you posted sounds plausible until you read the rest of the stuff on that page. For example, he claims that current Intel CPUs will record conversations, and secretly transmit them via the cellular network to the NSA, even with the computer switched off.

Rowan take a minute to watch Intel's promo video. (No thinking cap required.)

It's "straight from the horse's mouth," just listen!


What is Intel® Core? vPro? Technology Animation

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/...ogy-video.html

How exactly would they be able to "disable lost or stolen laptops, even if the PC is not connected to the network?" Hmmm...



New Intel based PC's PERMANENTLY hackable

"Accessing any PC ANYWHERE, no matter what operating system is installed, even if it is physically disconnected from the internet. You see, Core vPro processors work in conjunction with Intel's new Anti Theft 3.0, which put 3g connectivity into every Intel CPU after the Sandy Bridge version of the I3/5/7 processors. Users do not get to know about that 3g connection, but it IS there."

http://jimstonefreelance.com/corevpro.html

PhoneSexKing 06-15-2013 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 19672478)
Rowan take a minute to watch Intel's promo video. (No thinking cap required.)

Yeah, I was looking at that yesterday. Freaky shit.

I'll be keeping my massive pile of old hardware for a while now. :winkwink:

nnweb 06-16-2013 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 19669455)
Some VERY good points raised by former NSA telling it like it is..


The Future of the NSA

Jim Stone, June 10 2013, updated June 11

Forget the B.S. stories about Snowden, there is only ONE that applies and you will not hear about it in the press, which has protected the NSA with a great big white wash. Snowden worked out at Kunia. He had an extensive training program he had to go through before being allowed in. He HAD TO have been 99th percentile, the story about high school drop out is B.S, and so is the rest of the washing of his background. After hearing his conscience out at Kunia, he left Hawaii, defected, and told the truth.

There is also a rumor that Snowden worked for a contractor for $122,000 a year. I doubt that seriously because the NSA is so secretive it is extremely wary of contractors, and during my time with the NSA, I saw only 2 people EVER that were contractors, and they were never out on the operations floor. So yeah, I buy $122,000 a year, but NOT with a contractor. People who get to see enough to reveal what Snowden did have million dollar background checks, involving interviews with practically everyone in their past, and the interviewers do not identify themselves, they just talk as friends over a beer or whatever. So no one knows when they are being asked questions about someone the NSA intends to hire. These background checks take a year or so to complete and contractors can't afford to do that, the FED does. What Snowden revealed proves through emperical evidence that he was not employed by a contractor, he was just straight up NSA. The entire High School drop out story is pure B.S., because if during one of these checks any of the secret questioners comes up with even a little whiff of something wrong with your past, YOU ARE OUT.

Unlike the CIA, which has over a million spooks, the NSA is so secretive that very few people break the barrier to entry, which limits the size of the NSA to below 50,000 people total, a majority of which are highly talented super geeks. The expense of the background investigations alone seriously limits the number of people the NSA can hire.
Don't expect anything that is now claimed to be said by Snowden as actually coming from him. They are whitewashing this as fast as possible, while making false posts and statements to the web and media that claim to be from him. By now he has been replaced with the public image of someone else. For starters, it is ERIC SNOWDEN, not EDWARD as we are now told and this subtle name change will be used to deflect meaningful search into his past.

My own experience in the NSA is enough to prove what little I have said about Snowden to be true. There is ONE OPTION - Snowden was BRILLIANT, had extensive back ground searches done on him, went through a very difficult school, got assigned to Kunia where he lived in the same location as many other NSA people who have families do, drove to Kunia daily, and finally could not take what he was seeing there anymore and ratted them out. THAT IS THE ONLY STORY. Snowden did not have a girlfriend. He had a wife, and any reference to him "leaving his girlfriend behind" is another lie. You cannot live where Snowden did and have a "girlfriend", the NSA will not put you in the premium government family housing in Waipahu for only a "girlfriend". Furthermore, stories about the house being sold now are B.S., because Snowden was in government housing the same as all lower level NSA people are given. Unless you are an outside contractor (and those are very few in number), The NSA does not leave it's people to run with the general public, they all get assigned a living area where like minded people are. And from these few mistakes the press made, we can assume that the entire background they are presenting on Snowden is a lie. The house he was in was never owned by him and DID NOT get sold.

To see a long list of B.S. my own experience proves to be lies, just google "where snowden lived"

Furthermore, the "leaked documents from anonymous" are PURE B.S. and are all readily available public documents. I see this as an attempt to muddy the waters with regard to Snowden's legitimate leak.

Watch for story creep in the mainstream and portions of the alternative press regarding what I have said here, since I am former NSA telling it like it is I have noticed that the story keeps getting regular tweaks to counteract what I say here, the latest being "it was his girlfriend's house". Don't buy into the tweaks, what is above is a truthfully rational assessment of HOW IT HAD TO BE, from someone who simply knows how things are. Granted, when I was with the NSA they were not spying on Americans, but their procedures and methods were anchored in stone and for what I have said above to not weigh out now would mean something massive regarding hiring policy, housing policy, contractor policy and other things changed there, which I doubt, especially if this is the first big leak and Kunia is still misrepresented on Google maps, with the real entry obscured by a cloud.

continued ..lots more here

This guy is so full of shit.

Here are "decisions" on some security clearances.

Basically if you associate with anyone in Pakistan or Afghanistan it is auto denied. Rail a few lines with hookers and you are good! Just make sure you tell them you found jesus in your interview.

Quote:

Applicant mitigated the security concerns raised by his extensive history of illegal drug abuse some of which occurred while he held a clearance by abstaining from illegal drug use for over four years, disassociating himself from his drug-using contacts and avoiding drug-invested environments, establishing an excellent work record since ceasing drug use, and executing a statement of intent regarding future drug use. Clearance granted.
Applicant for Security Clearance



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Applicant ceased his use of office computers to access pornography websites before December 2002. He also ceased masturbating at work in the same time period. He did continue to access a popular website for sale of goods and offers of services from 2002 until 2009 to view personal service and suggestive advertisements. Over the years, he reached out to his church and counseling services to help him manage his "sex addiction" problems. He currently attends two support groups and maintains control over his desire to view pornography. He did not intentionally fail to disclose his sex addition counseling. Applicant has mitigated the security concerns regarding his sexual behavior and personal conduct. Clearance is granted.
LOL. God fixes everything. :thumbsup

RummyBoy 06-16-2013 10:41 AM

[QUOTE=sperbonzo;19671696]Right on! Who needs that stupid 4th amendment anyway? There's no reason for any right to privacy!




Do we need the 4th amendment?

What is it? And why are you so bothered about having privacy?
Don't you want to be a slave of the government?

stinkyfingers 06-16-2013 03:06 PM

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...s-phone-calls/
Quote:

Updated 6/16 at 11:15 a.m. PT The original headline when the story was published on Saturday was "NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants," which was changed to "NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls," to better match the story.

dyna mo 06-16-2013 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stinkyfingers (Post 19673291)

i like this part from that article
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Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed on Thursday that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."
If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee.
i bet the nsa snoopies will come back tomorrow with a "well, we only used that like a couple times,we swear!"


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