meanwhile, while richard is focused on usa

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/report-...ance-1.1319096

This is really bizarre. For once the conspiracy freaks really have something to get excited about. IT REALLY IS THE CIA !!!

But instead they have to make some even wilder accusations.

So not only have govt's used major digital corps to harvest data - they actually created those entities !

Oh and by the way :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I am laughing at the juxtaposition of peeps getting worked up about the govt using the interwebs to harvest data for national security reasons, but blind to the fact that the entities that they have used are harvesting so much more for their own murky intentions.......

hahahahahahah

canadaians haven't even had a major terrorist attack and your government is going full-bore snooping on y'all.

meanhwhile, you continue with the attempted potshots here.

are we? you can laugh at whatever make believe bullshit you want

but there is what a 'current dialogue is', and what we 'know'

currently, you're 12 years behind. keep laughing.

i went to review an app in the google playstore this weekend, when i tried, it said i needed to log in now to my google+ account, i messed up trying to reverse out of that and accidently instantly created a google+ account.

it took me quite a while to figure out how to disable that account. i like google, i can accept some of the lack of anon, but google cloud- no. google+ - no. facebook - no. twitter - business only.

richard your government is snooping on you with no justification whatsoever!!



:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugglaugh:1org laugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

and here you are!


jfc.

So the point I make has no merit ?

The guy deserves to get paid well for this.

50 years from now:

americans, why did you let your government monitor your shit? well, we had the 9/11 and fell for a strategy of surveillance and war.

canadians, why did you let your government monitor your shit? eh, we were too busy loling @ americans, eh.

12 years ago the people talking about this were conspiracy nutters. now it's 'look who tried to warn us', and you're still calling people conspiracy nutters.

i am no longer interested in trying to communicate with people who only communicate with TV

best of luck with what you discover 12 years from now.

You seem to be hell bent on turning seeding into creation.. Or are you just that stupid?



Edward Snowden: Republicans call for NSA whistleblower to be extradited

Politicians denounce whistleblower's actions while civil libertarians hail him as a courageous hero

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...edward-snowden

Are you saying you do not understand the point I made, that you disagree with it, or that you are simply ignoring it ?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Still Laughing !

bwahahahhaha - you are such a loon. and this is a perfect example of how you loons distort and amplify your wacked out beliefs.

Loon #1 asserted that Facebook received seed money from In-Q-Tel implying that the CIA was/is directly involved in Facebook. Of course the evidence that actually does exist shows nothing but an indirect connection whereby Facebook received funding from a venture capital firm that has a board member who was chairman of the board of an association that the CEO of In-Q-Tel was a member of.

As for the CIA's involvement with Google, the truth again is mundane and self-explanatory and we all know that the MUNDANE is the conspiracy loon's Kryptonite - you people are powerless pissants with a sad need to see the world as a vast conspiracy from a comic book movie where you are the crusaders for truth and justice through whose tireless efforts to wake up the comatose masses will save the world from evil.

Now we will wait for the kooks to run around the Internet gathering more shreds of more conspiracies just as flimsy in their vain attempt to build their case when all it does it make you all look like bigger fools and make things harder for those who really do care about these issues.

The irony of the kook phenomena is that the powers that be will end up using these idiots to advance their agendas, the culmination of the self fulfilling kook prophecy you clowns are unaware of - self awareness is never a strong point of those who spend their lives pointing fingers at others.

while you point fingers at me?

seriously? do you guys think before typing?

maybe the ct nutters are embarrassed re: the fact they completely missed an actual real conspiracy while they were focused on 7wtc.


so they resort to their tried and true logic: dodge & deflect.


lolzocoptermobilerollercoaster

this coming from you, the guy who just brought up my drug use from 15+ years ago in an attempt to discredit and insult me for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

got it.

maybe he thought since the u.s.a. has gone to hell china must be still a whole load of a lot better.

it wasn't an attempt.

ok, what was it?

Here's the cliff notes version for you...



US Citizen: The government is totally over-reaching. Having no privacy is not what Americans should consider freedom.

Government: Hey, arrest that guy! He's a traitor!



...you're welcome.

It seems to me this is blown completely out of proportion. The way the media is selling this is that the US Government had direct access to track everyone at any time for any reason. The companies involved are saying that the US Government does not have "direct access" to their servers. The US government is telling us this has nothing to do with Americans, and in any case warrants need to be issued - which is done by a panel of judges appointed by Congress?

So if warrants are required, and are issued by judges appointed by Congress, and not for Americans but for terrorists in other countries.... Seems like a non story to me.

warrants?

pfft.

it already is happening. warrants are not being used. the data is already being recorded.

you have every ceo/president such as zuckerberg & flag saying they were not aware the gov was able to and is in fact tapping that shit.

think about that.

youare entitled to your opinion. but the warrantless tapping is in effect.

you guys are drone striking americans

what due process exists?

I was just getting ready to make a comment; but I think you like dealing with these loonies. :1orglaugh

interesting angle on this


http://www.salon.com/2013/06/10/digi...personal_data/


http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intel...ret-workforce/


so how much of our shit is up for sale?

:1orglaugh

:upsidedow

without wehateporn though it's too easy.

I saw this on the news lol

you find it funny that people are strong enough to stand up and protect our civil rights knowing that it could easily cost him his life?


Yeah, this was in the news weeks before he blew the whistle, I am sure he wanted to loose his job and put his life on the line so he could get his name in the paper.

couldnt agree more, some American must have forgotten what their great forefathers were fighting and lost their lives for.

guys can always find an excuse or justification for being disloyal and dishonest :2 cents:

yep, that about sums it up.

fortunately, his excuse was to inform americans. i would think it is a major security risk having these privatized intel companies providing the intel.

~80% of the nsa budget is for privatized services, that's $6 billion worth of data via 10s of thousands of employees with full security clearance.

i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but even i can see this being exploited to the highest bidder.

TV and Facebook and iPhones didn't exist then; they had nothing to lose.

Google/apple/microshaft can't kick in your door with full auto weapons, take you away, and not have to answer to anyone anywhere about it.

C'mon dyna, we have a conservative government in power who think the best environment to live in is one firmly rooted in the colon of America. There's no place they'd rather be than up your ass.

Whatever we're doing, we're doing for you.

:winkwink::winkwink:

now try and find a party that won't go to war as soon as nato says jump :upsidedow

I'll just leave this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

i don't think he intended that nazi reference to be the godwin law itself

but hey

whatever one needs to do..

This is excactly what I hate about these loonies. There is actually a real conspiracy at work here, even though most people probably knew already their phones were not totally private. They don't like it when they haven't predicted something and, a real conspiracy or, evidence of something "shady" happens or, is happening.

Anyway, All this kind of "tapping" does, especially when made as public as it now is, is it will lead to people creating ways around it anyway. While ordinary people will be the only one's with data (wrongfully, in my eyes) being collected.

I'm pretty sure drug dealers do not send text messages saying: "Hey the coke has arrived, meet me at the quayside at the harbour on the blue and white boat, i'll be there at 9am" etc.

He didn't stand up to protect our civil rights. He stood up and reminded us corporate America is tracking our every fucking movement, and when the US government gets a warrant it can legally get all of that information. This isn't fucking new; I worked for the phone company in the early 1990s and our office had a switching station and the FBI was there four times a week.

To remind us that the government has been doing this to us since the 1960s?

He made it sound dramatic like the US Government was tracking each and every one of us and that the CIA was doing something highly illegal. Looks like he over stated everything.

can someone tell rochard that this is warrantless data gathering already happening, no warrant needed to gather the data. i think he has me ignore.

You are not on ignore at all.

He claims there is "no warrant needed". He is "defense contractor", not an attorney. Does he know if a warrant is issued or not? Does a judge need to show up at his desk holding a warrant, or maybe an attorney? Of course not. All of this is handled above him.

I used to work at the phone company. When the FBI came to our office to tap a phone line, didn't show up unannounced with a warrant. Instead, I got a phone call from my boss who a phone call from the legal department ordering us to install the tap.

And this isn't new either. It's been going on for a very long time.

i was wondering.

again though, you are very much entitled to your opinion on the matter and for all we know, that could be more right than not.

nevertheless, the project doesn't require participation from the corporations the info is coming from. both zuckerberg and page have said they were not aware the nsa was gathering the data from them via booz.

patriot act means there doesn't have to be a warrant.

no, that's incorrect.

here is the facebook post from zuckerberg::::::


I want to respond personally to the outrageous press reports about PRISM:

Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers. We have never received a blanket request or court order from any government agency asking for information or metadata in bulk, like the one Verizon reportedly received. And if we did, we would fight it aggressively. We hadn't even heard of PRISM before yesterday.

When governments ask Facebook for data, we review each request carefully to make sure they always follow the correct processes and all applicable laws, and then only provide the information if is required by law. We will continue fighting aggressively to keep your information safe and secure.




in a nutshell: the government did not ask fb for the data or for access to the data.

you care to expand on that, or is this just more glass bullshit

no need to expand, i'd hate for you government to have you on record with that infos.

you do know they are recording your shit right? you've never even been attacked yet your government is monitoring and recording your shit 24/7/365.

why would they do that richard?

a failed attempt :thumbsup

seems like the canadian government might be on to something

21st century canada conflicts

2001 - April 20?22: Police and Anti-globalization protestors battle in the streets of Quebec City during the Summit of the Americas.

2006 - February 28 to present: Caledonia land dispute

2009 - 2009 Vancouver gang war

2009 - March 15: Riots against police brutality in Montreal after a young minority immigrant is fatally shot by police.[citation needed]

2010 - June 26?27: Police crackdown on demonstrations in Toronto during the 2010 G-20 Toronto summit.

2011 - June 15: 2011 Stanley Cup Riot

2011 - September 17: The Occupy Movement protests

2012 - 2012 Quebec student protests (February 13?present): Students in the Province of Quebec oppose the hike of tuition fees.