Round #2 FBI, NSA massively surveilling data from 9 Internet companies

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The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs that enable analysts to track a person?s movements and contacts over time.

The highly classified program, code-named PRISM, has not been disclosed publicly before. Its establishment in 2007 and six years of exponential growth took place beneath the surface of a roiling debate over the boundaries of surveillance and privacy. Even late last year, when critics of the foreign intelligence statute argued for changes, the only members of Congress who know about PRISM were bound by oaths of office to hold their tongues.

An internal presentation on the Silicon Valley operation, intended for senior analysts in the NSA?s Signals Intelligence Directorate, described the new tool as the most prolific contributor to the President?s Daily Brief, which cited PRISM data in 1,477 articles last year. According to the briefing slides, obtained by The Washington Post, ?NSA reporting increasingly relies on PRISM? as its leading source of raw material, accounting for nearly 1 in 7 intelligence reports.

That is a remarkable figure in an agency that measures annual intake in the trillions of communications. It is all the more striking because the NSA, whose lawful mission is foreign intelligence, is reaching deep inside the machinery of American companies that host hundreds of millions of American-held accounts on American soil.

The technology companies, which participate knowingly in PRISM operations, include most of the dominant global players of Silicon Valley. They are listed on a roster that bears their logos in order of entry into the program: ?Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.? PalTalk, although much smaller, has hosted significant traffic during the Arab Spring and in the ongoing Syrian civil war.

[SplatterMaster]

They not reading my shit



Welcome to the Internet

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[PornDiscounts-V]

Good story on it in wired magazine.

[Supz]

hopefully they enjoy all the porn I look at.

[Rochard]

I think this is going to be a huge news story... People are gonna be pissed!

[All1]

I'm going to fund the rebels.

[L-Pink]

To read my stuff they'll need someone proficient in douche-bag.

[MaDalton]

and then people wonder why so many non-americans express their unhappiness about US politics...

[tony286]

Convenience and instant information has a cost.This isn't news ,they launched carnivore. And that was in 1997.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

[Barry-xlovecam]

I gotta stop sending them links Fap Fap

All of our intracompany mail and IM is encrypted, private servers and private SSL Certs -- no trade secrets to be snooped on anyway.

Sad part is that enemies of the state are not speaking in plain text and Facebook rants are 99% bullshit.

Really I think that they are trying to protect their own position and power by all this electronic eavesdropping. Are they trying to ferret out Anonymous or find WikiLeaks' sources in the government itself? This is all too Orwellian.

They are probably monitoring GFY

[baddog]

I have to wonder if no one has seen a movie with espionage portrayed; I have to LOL at the people being outraged or thinking it is just happening with Verizon . . . . or just in the US.

[Joshua G]

case closed: obama = bush.

dont even bother to reply grantmercury, your wrong.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

case closed: obama = bush.

dont even bother to reply grantmercury, your wrong.

hard to debate, aside from Obama being smarter then Bush ...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by tony286

Convenience and instant information has a cost.This isn't news ,they launched carnivore. And that was in 1997.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

The highly classified anti-terrorism programme, code-named PRISM, had not been disclosed publicly before. A US government source who was not authorised to comment publicly on the programme confirmed its existence to the Reuters news agency late on Thursday.

[Matt 26z]

Rack another one up for the loony conspiracy theorists who've been saying this stuff for years.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Rack another one up for the loony conspiracy theorists who've been saying this stuff for years.

I am hardly a CS, but even I knew they have been monitoring calls for years. I did not know it was supposed to be a secret.

[epitome]

Between this and the phone records shenanigans I now know why Google and Facebook want our phone number to "verify us." It is to create a comprehensive profile on someone.

Hopefully they are only using the data the way they say they are. Would suck if in the future there is a run of the mill federal case against you and prosecutors can pull up your entire online life to get you to accept a plea agreement.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by baddog

I have to wonder if no one has seen a movie with espionage portrayed; I have to LOL at the people being outraged or thinking it is just happening with Verizon . . . . or just in the US.

This

[DWB]

Nothing bad could possible come of this. Nothing to worry about. It's just the cost of freedom.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by baddog

I have to wonder if no one has seen a movie with espionage portrayed; I have to LOL at the people being outraged or thinking it is just happening with Verizon . . . . or just in the US.

yeah,

China
North Korea
Cuba
...

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by baddog

I am hardly a CS...

I have to get Baddogs back on this one - In all the years I have known him, he has NEVER EVEN ONCE suggested that he likes poo...

[nico-t]

sadly this is not a surprise at all.

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[tony286]

They really arent monitoring the way people are thinking. Think about it, alot of the recent tragedies Fort Hood,the movie theater shooting,Sandy hook,and Boston these were young people who used the net. If they were truly watching everyone, those things wouldnt of happened.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

case closed: obama = bush.

dont even bother to reply grantmercury, your wrong.

But we the people think this is something "Bush started and Obama continued". The truth is it's not one party who came up with the idea or one party that continued it. This has been going on in some form or another for forty years or so, if not longer.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But we the people think this is something "Bush started and Obama continued". The truth is it's not one party who came up with the idea or one party that continued it. This has been going on in some form or another for forty years or so, if not longer.

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The 4th amendment violations will continue until morale improves

by Simon Black on June 7, 2013
Denial

June 7, 2013
Maule Region, Chile

For some, it’s hard to even fathom… as if the headlines were ripped from the Onion instead of Atlas Shrugged or 1984:

NSA Is Wired Into Top Internet Companies’ Servers, Including Google and Facebook

NSA reportedly collecting phone records of millions

Former NSA head defends agency reportedly spying on millions of Americans

US gov’t defends NSA surveillance, slams ‘reprehensible’ journalists

Even more, just within the last few weeks we’ve seen the Justice Department confiscating news reporter phone records… the IRS caught bullying political opposition groups… and now this.

It should be as plain as day at this point. Yet some people still have a hard time understanding that they’re living under an oppressive, destructive, unaccountable government.

Most other cultures get it. If you go to Argentina, Vietnam, Italy, or China, people there have absolutely no trust or confidence in their governments.

It’s something that’s -almost- uniquely American– a lifetime of steady, bombastic propaganda that inculcates a deep belief that our system is the ‘best’.

And, even in the face of such overwhelming evidence, it’s still hard for people to break from this programming and acknowledge that their government is just as corrupt as Mexico’s… albeit slightly more sophisticated.

The politicians running the nation are sociopathic criminals, plain and simple. If you or I were to tap people’s phones or hack their Facebook accounts, or use our authority to bully opposition groups, we would be tossed in the slammer in no time… and branded by the media as moral delinquents.

Yet politicians get away with it. They even have prominent members of the press championing their criminality, like this quote from Forbes today:

“this is in fact what governments are supposed to do so I’m at something of a loss in understanding why people seem to be getting so outraged about it.”

The simple reason is because the system is a total failure.

In the ‘free world’, society is based on a principle that a tiny elite should have the power to kill. To steal. To wage war. To debase the currency. To deprive certain people of freedom. All in their sole discretion. And for the good of everyone else.

We’re just supposed to trust them to be good guys and be proficient at their jobs. And in case they happen to completely screw it up and wreck the nation, they get a pass.

It’s a completely absurd. We’re ruled by criminals, plain and simple.

This is a hard lesson for an entire society to learn, but perhaps the most important.

Unfortunately, the second lesson is even harder: that there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it.

We’ve also been led to believe that direct democracy and grassroots movements can be a force for change. Yet it rarely, if ever, happens.

Short of outright revolution, the system isn’t going to change. It has to completely crash… and hit rock bottom… before it can be rebuilt. And we’re still a loooong way off from that.

Like ancient Rome before, the Land of the Free can look forward to being governed by a long series of criminals in the foreseeable future, notwithstanding the occasional sage.

Nations rise and fall. This cycle is inevitable. And history shows that the world’s most dominant nation typically has a long, grinding decline. It’s going to take a while.

That’s why, instead of trying to change the system, it’s so important to invest time, energy, and capital in the things that set up you and your family for maximum freedom and prosperity.

You can’t stop a speeding train by standing in front of it. You just want to make sure you’re not on it as it heads towards the cliff."






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[beerptrol]

Been going on for years!

[madm1k3]

MONITORING FACEBOOK..... OH FUCK!
wait so after I repeatedly blocked the NSA's friend requests they still got to see the pics of me and my bffs drinking last weekend

MONITORING MICROSOFT AND GOOGLE..... OH SHIT!
wait a minute, all my free email addresses aren't really free?

MONITORING APPLE..... HUH?
wait people actually pay for music?

MONITORING AOL.... WHAT?
thats the bloated government wasting money again

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by madm1k3

MONITORING FACEBOOK..... OH FUCK!
wait so after I repeatedly blocked the NSA's friend requests they still got to see the pics of me and my bffs drinking last weekend

[mikesouth]

I have to wonder at what point will Americans finally say enough is enough and take back this country. probably not in my lifetime

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

I have to wonder at what point will Americans finally say enough is enough and take back this country. probably not in my lifetime

you got a trillion to blow on fixing the world?

cause that's who you'd be taking it from

[crockett]

You give them the power and they will use and abuse it. Anyone whom didn't think the next president and the next after that wouldn't abuse that power is a fool.

But hey you were a terrorist if you spoke out about it when Bush administration signed it into law. Guess you get what you asked for.

[alias]

Originally Posted by tony286

Convenience and instant information has a cost.This isn't news ,they launched carnivore. And that was in 1997.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

Exactly, nothing new.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by alias

Exactly, nothing new.

missed this, thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inslaw

1970s

[eipstudios]

You can add Credit Cards to that. The circle is complete. Mobile-Internet-Credit Cards
So they know all the porn customers. May they card find the fuckers that charge back all the time?

NSA targets credit card transactions
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ons-92390.html

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[Tom_PM]

The internet is public space. It's quite a bit different than wiretapping a telephone.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by tony286

They really arent monitoring the way people are thinking. Think about it, alot of the recent tragedies Fort Hood,the movie theater shooting,Sandy hook,and Boston these were young people who used the net. If they were truly watching everyone, those things wouldnt of happened.

Just because they are monitoring people it does't mean they can prevent anything.

Take the Sandy Hook shooting. They could have monitored him from day one, and other than that he may have been autistic there was nothing to indicate he was going to shoot twenty school kids without warning.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

yeah,

China
North Korea
Cuba
...

You are so naive at times.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by epitome

Between this and the phone records shenanigans I now know why Google and Facebook want our phone number to "verify us." It is to create a comprehensive profile on someone.

funny you mention that because i get the creeps everytime google asks me for my phone #. The back of my mind would wonder why they really want it & now we know.

i'm also sad my republican party is in no way republican. this is an issue that could drive independents to a smaller government concept. but the current repubs are not positioned in any way to capitalize. to the contrary, repubs passed the patriot act & lindsay graham is extolling the virtues of secret snooping. obscene...

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by tony286

This isn't news ,they launched carnivore. And that was in 1997.

And before that it was "Echelon".

Come on people, let's drop some more keywords.

[stephane76]

Originally Posted by eipstudios

Facebook

?We do not provide any government organization with direct access to Facebook servers. When Facebook is asked for data or information about specific individuals, we carefully scrutinize any such request for compliance with all applicable laws, and provide information only to the extent required by law.?

Google

?Google cares deeply about the security of our users? data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ?back door? into our systems, but Google does not have a backdoor for the government to access private user data.?

Apple

Apple gave this the statement to AllThingsD:

?We have never heard of PRISM. We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers, and any government agency requesting customer data must get a court order.?

Microsoft

?We provide customer data only when we receive a legally binding order or subpoena to do so, and never on a voluntary basis. In addition we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers. If the government has a broader voluntary national security program to gather customer data we don?t participate in it.?

Yahoo

?Yahoo! takes users? privacy very seriously. We do not provide the government with direct access to our servers, systems, or network.?

Dropbox

?We?ve seen reports that Dropbox might be asked to participate in a government program called PRISM. We are not part of any such program and remain committed to protecting our users? privacy.?

Paltalk

?We have not heard of PRISM. Paltalk exercises extreme care to protect and secure users? data, only responding to court orders as required to by law. Paltalk does not provide any government agency with direct access to its servers.?

AOL

?We do not have any knowledge of the Prism program. We do not disclose user information to government agencies without a court order, subpoena or formal legal process, nor do we provide any government agency with access to our servers.?



http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/06/goo...prism-program/

[Barry-xlovecam]

We are all marked men and women ...

I caught one DIA person participating on an adult webmaster board in 2005. I was a Mod and got his IP -- real lame he was a hellacious troll.
Right around when Bush and AG Ashcroft/Gonzales got busy with §2257 again.

These people are "monitoring" us most likely now that §2257 is at trial again.

Your tax dollars at work. You can buy software to monitor terms on social media and lots of them -- ever wonder why they were developed?

NSA (No Such Agency) probably knows who we are ... Big deal they would do it one way or another no matter what political party is in power.

But the PATRIOT Act has cost a fortune and accomplished little. All you G -- get your asses out on the street and earn your pay checks -- there is no substitute for shoe leather and human intel.

And stop lookin' at porn on this board at taxpayer expense.